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 by: Robin Miller - Mon, 2 May 2022 23:23 UTC

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

#Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”

Daniel Popper @danielrpopper

And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.

Joe Reedy @joereedy

Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers

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 by: phlash74 - Tue, 3 May 2022 17:29 UTC

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
>
> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”
>
>
> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
>
> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season..
>
>
> Joe Reedy @joereedy
>
> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers

This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.

Michael

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 by: Robin Miller - Tue, 3 May 2022 17:50 UTC

phlash74 wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
>> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
>>
>> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
>> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
>> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
>> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”
>>
>>
>> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
>>
>> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
>> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.
>>
>>
>> Joe Reedy @joereedy
>>
>> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
>> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers
>
> This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.
>
> Michael
>

Well, they weren't going to pay nearly $11M to a part time defensive end
next season. According to Popper of The Athletic and others, he is best
as a pass-rushing specialist and is not very good against the run. While
he may be listed as a starter in the 3-4 base defense, he is a part-time
player who will be paid as such, at least by the Chargers. They may just
move on from him after this season, which is now a prove-it year for
Tillery. And if he blows up and has a great year, they'll let him walk
as they did Kyzir White.

--Robin

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 by: phlash74 - Tue, 3 May 2022 17:54 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> phlash74 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> >> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
> >>
> >> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
> >> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
> >> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
> >> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year..”
> >>
> >>
> >> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
> >>
> >> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
> >> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe Reedy @joereedy
> >>
> >> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
> >> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers
> >
> > This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> Well, they weren't going to pay nearly $11M to a part time defensive end
> next season. According to Popper of The Athletic and others, he is best
> as a pass-rushing specialist and is not very good against the run. While
> he may be listed as a starter in the 3-4 base defense, he is a part-time
> player who will be paid as such, at least by the Chargers. They may just
> move on from him after this season, which is now a prove-it year for
> Tillery. And if he blows up and has a great year, they'll let him walk
> as they did Kyzir White.
>
> --Robin

That's all fine and I agree with it 100%. I just can't square that with claiming "he remains firmly in their long-term plans", especially since as noted by Reedy this is the first time Telesco has declined the option on a first round pick (expecting Kenneth Murray to be the second next year).

Michael

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 by: Robin Miller - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:41 UTC

phlash74 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
>> phlash74 wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
>>>> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
>>>>
>>>> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
>>>> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
>>>> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
>>>> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
>>>>
>>>> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
>>>> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe Reedy @joereedy
>>>>
>>>> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
>>>> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers
>>>
>>> This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>> Well, they weren't going to pay nearly $11M to a part time defensive end
>> next season. According to Popper of The Athletic and others, he is best
>> as a pass-rushing specialist and is not very good against the run. While
>> he may be listed as a starter in the 3-4 base defense, he is a part-time
>> player who will be paid as such, at least by the Chargers. They may just
>> move on from him after this season, which is now a prove-it year for
>> Tillery. And if he blows up and has a great year, they'll let him walk
>> as they did Kyzir White.
>>
>> --Robin
>
> That's all fine and I agree with it 100%. I just can't square that with claiming "he remains firmly in their long-term plans", especially since as noted by Reedy this is the first time Telesco has declined the option on a first round pick (expecting Kenneth Murray to be the second next year).
>
> Michael
>

"he remains firmly in their long-term plans" is a sop to the player.

The Chargers weren't the only one:

Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate

5th-year options declined, officially:

No. 4: Clelin Ferrell
No. 6: Daniel Jones
No. 10: Devin Bush
No. 18: Garrett Bradbury
No. 22: Andre Dillard
No. 24: Josh Jacobs
No. 27: Johnathan Abram
No. 28: Jerry Tillery
No. 29: LJ Collier
No. 31: Kaleb McGary
No. 32: NKeal Harry

11/32

--Robin

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 by: phlash74 - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:56 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:41:32 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> phlash74 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> >> phlash74 wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> >>>> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
> >>>>
> >>>> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
> >>>> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
> >>>> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
> >>>> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
> >>>>
> >>>> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
> >>>> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Reedy @joereedy
> >>>>
> >>>> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
> >>>> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers
> >>>
> >>> This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >> Well, they weren't going to pay nearly $11M to a part time defensive end
> >> next season. According to Popper of The Athletic and others, he is best
> >> as a pass-rushing specialist and is not very good against the run. While
> >> he may be listed as a starter in the 3-4 base defense, he is a part-time
> >> player who will be paid as such, at least by the Chargers. They may just
> >> move on from him after this season, which is now a prove-it year for
> >> Tillery. And if he blows up and has a great year, they'll let him walk
> >> as they did Kyzir White.
> >>
> >> --Robin
> >
> > That's all fine and I agree with it 100%. I just can't square that with claiming "he remains firmly in their long-term plans", especially since as noted by Reedy this is the first time Telesco has declined the option on a first round pick (expecting Kenneth Murray to be the second next year).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> "he remains firmly in their long-term plans" is a sop to the player.
>
> The Chargers weren't the only one:
>
> Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate
>
> 5th-year options declined, officially:
>
> No. 4: Clelin Ferrell
> No. 6: Daniel Jones
> No. 10: Devin Bush
> No. 18: Garrett Bradbury
> No. 22: Andre Dillard
> No. 24: Josh Jacobs
> No. 27: Johnathan Abram
> No. 28: Jerry Tillery
> No. 29: LJ Collier
> No. 31: Kaleb McGary
> No. 32: NKeal Harry
>
> 11/32
>
>
> --Robin

Jacobs surprises me, though he has fallen off a bit since his stellar rookie campaign. Seems like a pretty bad draft for 1/3 of the first rounders to have their options declined, especially a QB like Jones taken in the top 10..

Michael

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 by: Eddie Grove - Wed, 4 May 2022 00:00 UTC

phlash74 <phlash74@msn.com> writes:

> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:41:32 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
>> phlash74 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
>> >> phlash74 wrote:
>> >>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
>> >>>> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
>> >>>>
>> >>>> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
>> >>>> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
>> >>>> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
>> >>>> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
>> >>>> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Joe Reedy @joereedy
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
>> >>>> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers
>> >>>
>> >>> This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term
>> >>> plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really
>> >>> well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would
>> >>> have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.
>> >>>
>> >>> Michael
>> >>>
>> >> Well, they weren't going to pay nearly $11M to a part time defensive end
>> >> next season. According to Popper of The Athletic and others, he is best
>> >> as a pass-rushing specialist and is not very good against the run. While
>> >> he may be listed as a starter in the 3-4 base defense, he is a part-time
>> >> player who will be paid as such, at least by the Chargers. They may just
>> >> move on from him after this season, which is now a prove-it year for
>> >> Tillery. And if he blows up and has a great year, they'll let him walk
>> >> as they did Kyzir White.
>> >>
>> >> --Robin
>> >
>> > That's all fine and I agree with it 100%. I just can't square that
>> > with claiming "he remains firmly in their long-term plans",
>> > especially since as noted by Reedy this is the first time Telesco
>> > has declined the option on a first round pick (expecting Kenneth
>> > Murray to be the second next year).
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> "he remains firmly in their long-term plans" is a sop to the player.
>>
>> The Chargers weren't the only one:
>>
>> Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate
>>
>> 5th-year options declined, officially:
>>
>> No. 4: Clelin Ferrell
>> No. 6: Daniel Jones
>> No. 10: Devin Bush
>> No. 18: Garrett Bradbury
>> No. 22: Andre Dillard
>> No. 24: Josh Jacobs
>> No. 27: Johnathan Abram
>> No. 28: Jerry Tillery
>> No. 29: LJ Collier
>> No. 31: Kaleb McGary
>> No. 32: NKeal Harry
>>
>> 11/32

3 of those 11 were to the Raiders.

>>
>>
>> --Robin
>
> Jacobs surprises me, though he has fallen off a bit since his stellar
> rookie campaign. Seems like a pretty bad draft for 1/3 of the first
> rounders to have their options declined, especially a QB like Jones
> taken in the top 10.
>
> Michael

I posted about the Raiders, which includes Jacobs, in another group in
my yearly tirade against draft grades.

In Peter King's excellent weekly column
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/02/baltimore-ravens-draft-room-nfl-fmia-peter-king/

"3. I think for those who do draft grades, I will remind you of two
things. The Raiders announced the other day they will not exercise
fifth-year options on any of their three first-round picks in
2019—Clelin Ferrell, Josh Jocobs and Johnathan Abram. And after the 2019
draft, NFL.com gave the Raiders a B-plus grade, and Bleacher Report gave
them an A. Hey, but go ahead and grade things before players ever take
the field for their professional teams."

Mike Mayock was a disaster. To think they fired the excellent Reggie
McKenzie to make room for him. Don't believe anyone who says the NFL is
a meritocracy.

So long as I am talking draft grades: the Seahawks got Fs in 2012.

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/28/seattle-seahawks-russell-wilson-takes-shot-f-grade-2012-draft-class-bobby-wagner-bruce-irvin/

"The 2012 draft class of course included Wagner (No. 47 overall) and
Wilson (No. 75 overall) as well as pass rusher Bruce Irvin (No. 15) and
a handful of other useful role players: running back Robert Turbin,
defensive back Jeremy Lane and guard J.R. Sweezy.

Landing two future Hall of Famers and a pass rusher with over 50 career
sacks in your first three picks is unheard of, and was clearly misjudged
by many media outlets when the draft initially concluded."

Eddie

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 by: phlash74 - Wed, 4 May 2022 03:59 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:00:52 PM UTC-7, Eddie Grove wrote:
> phlash74 <phla...@msn.com> writes:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:41:32 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> >> phlash74 wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> >> >> phlash74 wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Robin Miller wrote:
> >> >>>> Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> #Chargers are declining the 5th-year option for DL Jerry Tillery, source
> >> >>>> said, though he remains firmly in their long-term plans. Tillery comes
> >> >>>> off the most productive year yet, with 51 tackles and 4.5 sacks. GM Tom
> >> >>>> Telesco said recently, “I expect an even bigger role this year.”
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And there it is. Tillery would have been due $10.8 million on that
> >> >>>> fifth-year option. He is now set to become a free agent after this season.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Joe Reedy @joereedy
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Tillery marks the first time in seven opportunities Tom Telesco has not
> >> >>>> picked up the fifth-year option on his first-round draft pick. #Chargers
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This doesn't make sense to me. How can he be in their long-term
> >> >>> plans if they're not picking up his option? If he plays really
> >> >>> well this year, he'll cost a lot more than the option would
> >> >>> have, and they'll likely lose him to another team anyways.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Michael
> >> >>>
> >> >> Well, they weren't going to pay nearly $11M to a part time defensive end
> >> >> next season. According to Popper of The Athletic and others, he is best
> >> >> as a pass-rushing specialist and is not very good against the run. While
> >> >> he may be listed as a starter in the 3-4 base defense, he is a part-time
> >> >> player who will be paid as such, at least by the Chargers. They may just
> >> >> move on from him after this season, which is now a prove-it year for
> >> >> Tillery. And if he blows up and has a great year, they'll let him walk
> >> >> as they did Kyzir White.
> >> >>
> >> >> --Robin
> >> >
> >> > That's all fine and I agree with it 100%. I just can't square that
> >> > with claiming "he remains firmly in their long-term plans",
> >> > especially since as noted by Reedy this is the first time Telesco
> >> > has declined the option on a first round pick (expecting Kenneth
> >> > Murray to be the second next year).
> >> >
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >> "he remains firmly in their long-term plans" is a sop to the player.
> >>
> >> The Chargers weren't the only one:
> >>
> >> Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate
> >>
> >> 5th-year options declined, officially:
> >>
> >> No. 4: Clelin Ferrell
> >> No. 6: Daniel Jones
> >> No. 10: Devin Bush
> >> No. 18: Garrett Bradbury
> >> No. 22: Andre Dillard
> >> No. 24: Josh Jacobs
> >> No. 27: Johnathan Abram
> >> No. 28: Jerry Tillery
> >> No. 29: LJ Collier
> >> No. 31: Kaleb McGary
> >> No. 32: NKeal Harry
> >>
> >> 11/32
> 3 of those 11 were to the Raiders.
> >>
> >>
> >> --Robin
> >
> > Jacobs surprises me, though he has fallen off a bit since his stellar
> > rookie campaign. Seems like a pretty bad draft for 1/3 of the first
> > rounders to have their options declined, especially a QB like Jones
> > taken in the top 10.
> >
> > Michael
> I posted about the Raiders, which includes Jacobs, in another group in
> my yearly tirade against draft grades.
>
> In Peter King's excellent weekly column
> https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/02/baltimore-ravens-draft-room-nfl-fmia-peter-king/
>
> "3. I think for those who do draft grades, I will remind you of two
> things. The Raiders announced the other day they will not exercise
> fifth-year options on any of their three first-round picks in
> 2019—Clelin Ferrell, Josh Jocobs and Johnathan Abram. And after the 2019
> draft, NFL.com gave the Raiders a B-plus grade, and Bleacher Report gave
> them an A. Hey, but go ahead and grade things before players ever take
> the field for their professional teams."
>
> Mike Mayock was a disaster. To think they fired the excellent Reggie
> McKenzie to make room for him. Don't believe anyone who says the NFL is
> a meritocracy.
>
>
> So long as I am talking draft grades: the Seahawks got Fs in 2012.
>
> https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/28/seattle-seahawks-russell-wilson-takes-shot-f-grade-2012-draft-class-bobby-wagner-bruce-irvin/
>
> "The 2012 draft class of course included Wagner (No. 47 overall) and
> Wilson (No. 75 overall) as well as pass rusher Bruce Irvin (No. 15) and
> a handful of other useful role players: running back Robert Turbin,
> defensive back Jeremy Lane and guard J.R. Sweezy.
>
> Landing two future Hall of Famers and a pass rusher with over 50 career
> sacks in your first three picks is unheard of, and was clearly misjudged
> by many media outlets when the draft initially concluded."
>
>
> Eddie

Yeah, I agree about draft grades being useless for at least three years. And Mayock clearly was only hired to be Gruden’s puppet.

Michael

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