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 by: XYXPDQ - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 16:32 UTC

The safety car came way to early. The front half of the field were forced to pit to early and then spent the rest of the day nursing the hard tire to the end.

And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

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 by: Mark Jackson - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 17:43 UTC

On 4/30/2023 12:32 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

Apparently the FIA officials with authority over the pitlane have fallen
into the habit of beginning to set up the parc ferme barriers, and
admitting photographers and others, before the race is actually over -
and were unaware that Ocon still had a mandatory pit stop to perform.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-to-take-immediate-steps-to-avoid-repeat-of-dangerous-ocon-f1-pitlane-near-miss/10463314/

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 by: XYXPDQ - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:39 UTC

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:43:47 AM UTC-7, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 4/30/2023 12:32 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?
> Apparently the FIA officials with authority over the pitlane have fallen
> into the habit of beginning to set up the parc ferme barriers, and
> admitting photographers and others, before the race is actually over -
> and were unaware that Ocon still had a mandatory pit stop to perform.
>
> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-to-take-immediate-steps-to-avoid-repeat-of-dangerous-ocon-f1-pitlane-near-miss/10463314/
>
> --
> Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
> Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows
> how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
> - James Baldwin

I'm guessing there's already a rule change?

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 by: Mark Jackson - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 19:23 UTC

On 4/30/2023 2:39 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:43:47 AM UTC-7, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> On 4/30/2023 12:32 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>> And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?
>> Apparently the FIA officials with authority over the pitlane have fallen
>> into the habit of beginning to set up the parc ferme barriers, and
>> admitting photographers and others, before the race is actually over -
>> and were unaware that Ocon still had a mandatory pit stop to perform.
>>
>> https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-to-take-immediate-steps-to-avoid-repeat-of-dangerous-ocon-f1-pitlane-near-miss/10463314/

> I'm guessing there's already a rule change?

No. It's a matter of "procedures and protocol" being (forseeably)
unsafe and the FIA being tasked with fixing them. There are other
stakeholders (mentioned in the article) involved.

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 by: Phil Carmody - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 19:40 UTC

XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
> The safety car came way to early. The front half of the field were
> forced to pit to early and then spent the rest of the day nursing the
> hard tire to the end.

That's not how safety cars work - they come in when they're needed, not
when it's opportune for the racers.

> And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

Some of my friends think it was a complete shitshow. Others think it
was a total fiasco. I take a more nuanced approach and think it was
simply an utter fuckup.

Heads should roll.

Phil
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On 4/30/23 09:32, XYXPDQ wrote:
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> And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

Here are 2 articles on the situation:

https://www.racefans.net/2023/04/30/fia-will-take-immediate-steps-in-response-to-very-dangerous-pit-lane-incident/

FIA will “take immediate steps” in response to “very dangerous” pit lane
incident
2023 Azerbaijan Grand PrixPosted on
30th April 2023, 15:57 | Written by Keith Collantine
The FIA has said “immediate steps” will be taken in response to the
potentially dangerous incident which occured in the pit lane during the
Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
Esteban Ocon came across a crowd of people in his path when he came into
the pits to change tyres on the final lap of the race. The Alpine driver
avoided hitting anyone, but said the situation could have been a “big
disaster” had he not braked in time. ----

https://www.racefans.net/2023/04/30/ocon-says-crazy-near-miss-in-pit-lane-could-have-been-a-big-disaster/

Ocon says “crazy” near-miss in pit lane could have been “a big disaster”
2023 Azerbaijan Grand PrixPosted on
30th April 2023, 15:07 | Written by Will Wood and Claire Cottingham
Esteban Ocon called on the FIA to change their post-race podium
procedure to avoid another near-miss incident in the pit lane in the future.
The Alpine driver came across a group of people standing in the fast
lane of the pits when he came in on the final lap of the Azerbaijan
Grand Prix.
Ocon had run the first 50 laps of the race on the same set of hard
tyres. As he made his way into the pit lane, FIA personnel had already
begun setting up parc ferme and the fenced off pen reserved for the top
three finishers.
Fortunately no one was hit by the Alpine. -------

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That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at least come close to before) show how much more tread life these tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used softer tires.

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On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:
> That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at least come close to before) show how much more tread life these tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used softer tires.

You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?

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 by: XYXPDQ - Mon, 1 May 2023 15:42 UTC

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:13:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:
> > That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at least come close to before) show how much more tread life these tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used softer tires.
> You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?

Usually the midfield produces some entertaining action, he was fast enough to keep the rest of the field on newer tires parading around behind him.

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Subject: Re: so dull -- crowd in active pits
Date: Mon, 1 May 2023 10:33:52 -0700
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 by: Alan - Mon, 1 May 2023 17:33 UTC

On 2023-05-01 08:42, XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:13:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>> That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at
>>> least come close to before) show how much more tread life these
>>> tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used
>>> softer tires.
>> You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?
>
>
> Usually the midfield produces some entertaining action, he was fast
> enough to keep the rest of the field on newer tires parading around
> behind him.

Because he was on a course with very limited overtaking opportunities
and (obviously) had good straight line speed.

Re: so dull -- crowd in active pits

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From: mjack...@alumni.caltech.edu (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.f1
Subject: Re: so dull -- crowd in active pits
Date: Mon, 1 May 2023 13:35:43 -0400
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 by: Mark Jackson - Mon, 1 May 2023 17:35 UTC

On 5/1/2023 11:42 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:13:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:

>>> That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at
>>> least come close to before) show how much more tread life these
>>> tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used
>>> softer tires.

The softer tire (the weekend's medium) did not hold up well. That's why
everybody on it switched to hards when they could. Ocon (and
Hűlkenberg) were exceptional in that they ran nearly the full race
distance on a single set of hards.

(And neither flavor of tire has treads, lively or not.)

>> You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?

> Usually the midfield produces some entertaining action, he was fast
> enough to keep the rest of the field on newer tires parading around
> behind him.

Reducing the second DRS zone by 100 meters (a move criticized by some of
the drivers) may well have been an error.

--
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I know I’ve put on a lot of weight lately but being told
that I look like Steve Bannon by an 80 year-old buddhist
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