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by: News - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:35 UTC

Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered

https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix

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by: News - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:00 UTC

On 9/26/2023 11:52 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:35:35 AM UTC-7, News wrote:
>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>
>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>
>
> If the weekend doesn't put a lot more money in the casino vaults it won''t last many years.

If it does, it will be via online betting, not casino floor betting,
with most event-related customers outdoors watching the 'spectacle'.

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by: Alan - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:40 UTC

On 2023-09-26 09:00, News wrote:
> On 9/26/2023 11:52 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:35:35 AM UTC-7, News wrote:
>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>
>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>
>>
>> If the weekend doesn't put a lot more money in the casino vaults it
>> won''t last many years.
>
> If it does, it will be via online betting, not casino floor betting,
> with most event-related customers outdoors watching the 'spectacle'.

You... ...really don't think things through, do you?

Regular F1 weekends consist of:

Three practice sessions: 3 hours track time

Qualifying: 1 hour

The race: 2 hours maximum racing time with a 3 hour window to fit it all
in if there are red flags.

So you have people who are IN Las Vegas for at LEAST some of Friday, ALL
of Saturday and ALL of Sunday...

....and you imagine that they won't be in the casinos at any time?

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by: Alan - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:40 UTC

On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>
> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix

That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
long decided by the time they get to Vegas.

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by: geoff - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:24 UTC

On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>
>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>
> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.

I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
They are going in order to watch top racing cars.

geoff

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by: Alan - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:51 UTC

On 2023-09-26 14:24, geoff wrote:
> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>
>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>
>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>
> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.

I think you're very wrong about that.

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by: texas gate - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:24 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> You... ...really don't think things through, do you?

you fucking, rotten, trolling, cock sucker
fuck off back to rec.sport.golf

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by: texas gate - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:28 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:51:52 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> I think you're very wrong about that.

i think you're a fucking, rotten, trolling, cock sucker
fuck off back to rec.sport.golf

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by: texas gate - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:46 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> So you have people who are IN Las Vegas for at LEAST some of Friday, ALL
> of Saturday and ALL of Sunday...

your all caps are gay

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by: texas gate - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 01:48 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:46:31 PM UTC-6, texas gate wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> > So you have people who are IN Las Vegas for at LEAST some of Friday, ALL
> > of Saturday and ALL of Sunday...

> your all caps are gay

and annoying
like your pathetic, shit hole, existence

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by: geoff - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 08:50 UTC

On 27/09/2023 11:51 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-26 14:24, geoff wrote:
>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>
>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>
>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will
>>> be long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>
>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>
> I think you're very wrong about that.
>

Only wrt those in orange T-shirts.

geoff

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by: Martin Harran - Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:43 UTC

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
wrote:

>On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>
>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>
>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>
>I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>

Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.

As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense

Source:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271306/formula-1-revenue-in-2009-by-sector/

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by: Alan - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:38 UTC

On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>
>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>
>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>
>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>
>
> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>
> As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense

The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.

The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.

And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to
gamble on the WINNER.

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by: texas gate - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:38 UTC

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:38:44 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to
> gamble on the WINNER.

you fucking loser

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by: texas gate - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:41 UTC

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:38:44 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd

check it out
and your fucking ass handed to you

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by: texas gate - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:49 UTC

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:38:44 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.

you are a fucking trolling idiot
last year, this year, and next year
you fucking stupid cunt

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by: geoff - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 05:00 UTC

On 29/09/2023 1:38 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>>
>>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>>
>>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>>
>>
>> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>>
>> As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
>
> The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
>
> The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.
>
> And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to
> gamble on the WINNER.

It isn't compulsory to gamble in Vegas. Maybe they just want to watch
racing....

geoff

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by: Alan - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 15:23 UTC

On 2023-09-28 22:00, geoff wrote:
> On 29/09/2023 1:38 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
>>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
>>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
>>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>>>
>>> As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
>>
>> The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
>>
>> The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.
>>
>> And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want
>> to gamble on the WINNER.
>
>
> It isn't compulsory to gamble in Vegas. Maybe they just want to watch
> racing....

No... ...it's not compulsory...

....and yet that is STILL why most people come.

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by: texas gate - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:24 UTC

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:23:09 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> No... ...it's not compulsory...
>
> ...and yet that is STILL why most people come.

fuck off, clown act

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by: Alan - Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:38 UTC

On 2023-09-29 11:24, texas gate wrote:
> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:23:09 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
>
>> No... ...it's not compulsory...
>>
>> ...and yet that is STILL why most people come.
>
> fuck off, clown act

Wow.

So boring.

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by: Phil Carmody - Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:19 UTC

Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
> wrote:
>
>>On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>
>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>
>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>
>>I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>
>
> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.

You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.

Phil
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by: Martin Harran - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 15:32 UTC

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:38:37 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>>
>>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>>
>>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>>
>>
>> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>>
>> As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
>
>The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.

The title last year was decided in race 18, this year it was decided
in race 16. The USA race last year was one race after the title was
decided, this year it's two races after the title was decided. Do you
seriously want to make that out something in those differences as a
significant factor in attendance?

>
>The level of dominance of the Red Bull is much greater.
>
>And the crowd in Vegas is a crowd that wants to gamble and they want to
>gamble on the WINNER.

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by: Martin Harran - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 15:34 UTC

On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
wrote:

>Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>>
>>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>>
>>>I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>>They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>>
>>
>> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>
>You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.

It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that
history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
means it was caused by X.

>
>Phil

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by: Alan - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 16:41 UTC

On 2023-10-02 08:32, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:38:37 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-28 08:43, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
>>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
>>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
>>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>>>
>>> As usual, Alan is spouting nonsense
>>
>> The situation wasn't the same as it is this year.
>
> The title last year was decided in race 18, this year it was decided
> in race 16. The USA race last year was one race after the title was
> decided, this year it's two races after the title was decided. Do you
> seriously want to make that out something in those differences as a
> significant factor in attendance?

But last year, the level of dominance was not as great. At the end of
the season, Verstappen finished 146 points ahead of Leclerc. This
season, Verstappen is ALREADY 177 points ahead of second place Perez.

Furthermore, being ONE race after a closer title was decided means that
more people will have made their plans, based on maybe the title NOT
having been decided. This year, the title is an obvious forgone conclusion.

Then factor in that Las Vegas is about gambling.

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by: Alan - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 18:12 UTC

On 2023-10-02 08:34, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 00:19:58 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:24:32 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/09/2023 5:40 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-26 08:35, News wrote:
>>>>>> Liberty's trackside venue vig cratered
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Insights/Latest-Formula-1-Las-Vegas-Grand-Prix
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what happens when everyone becomes aware that the title will be
>>>>> long decided by the time they get to Vegas.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that most spectators couldn't give a toss about 'the title'.
>>>> They are going in order to watch top racing cars.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Verstappen won the title at Suzuka last year. Attendance at the
>>> following USA GP was 440,000 the highest of any race that year. The
>>> race after that, Mexico had 395,902, the 4th highest of the year
>>> surpassed only by the USA, Australia and GB. Brazil had 236,00, a bit
>>> below Spain but a bit above France. Only Abu Dhabi was significantly
>>> lower at 160,00 but I'd guess that is down to location.
>>
>> You're invoking /post hoc ergo propter hoc/.
>
> It's actually Alan who is falling for that fallacy. I'm showing that
> history shows that there is no reason to believe that Y following X
> means it was caused by X.

In what way did I "fall" for that, Martin?

Please: be expansive.

:-)

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Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	texas gate
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Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	geoff
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	texas gate
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	geoff
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Martin Harran
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	texas gate
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Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	texas gate
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Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Martin Harran
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Martin Harran
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan LeHun
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan LeHun
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Alan
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	texas gate
Re: Vegas #F1 Prices Plummeting	Sir Tim
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