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March 4 2022
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33420970/sources-dallas-cowboys-wr-amari-cooper-likely-released
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-trade-amari-cooper-free-agency-stephen-jones-cut-rumors#gid=ci029b22ded0002559&pid=amari-dak-
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Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Cowboys are
"likely" to release wide receiver Amari Cooper.

Per Mike Fisher, the Cowboys are trying to
trade Amari Cooper.

The Cowboys won't be able to trade Amari
Cooper, ending up cutting him?

Things that make you go hmmmm.

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Follow-up:

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 12:31:45 PM UTC-6, observer wrote:

..> ---
..> March 4 2022
..> https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33420970/sources-dallas-cowboys-wr-amari-cooper-likely-released
..> https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-trade-amari-cooper-free-agency-stephen-jones-cut-rumors#gid=ci029b22ded0002559&pid=amari-dak-
..> ---
..>
..> Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Cowboys are
..> "likely" to release wide receiver Amari Cooper.
..>
..> Per Mike Fisher, the Cowboys are trying to
..> trade Amari Cooper.
..>
..> The Cowboys won't be able to trade Amari
..> Cooper, ending up cutting him?
..>
..> Things that make you go hmmmm.
..>
..> *--- --- ---*

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March 4 2022
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sounds-like-jerry-jones-has-already-walked-back-rumors-that-amari-cooper-will-be-released/ar-AAUCHDJ
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Comment: An article discussing the Cowboys
trying to trade Amari Cooper, that possibility
already mentioned above.

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observer <prohumanistfreelover@gmail.com> writes:

> March 4 2022
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sounds-like-jerry-jones-has-already-walked-back-rumors-that-amari-cooper-will-be-released/ar-AAUCHDJ
> ---
>
> Comment: An article discussing the Cowboys
> trying to trade Amari Cooper, that possibility
> already mentioned above.

Jerry's got to say that even if they have 100% decided not to keep
Cooper. Who would trade anything meaningful for Cooper if it was sure
that he would be released?

Someone on ESPN said that the Cowboys have 6 offensive players who count
in excess of $15M each toward the cap, and no other team has more than 4.

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On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 5:17:07 PM UTC-6, Eddie Grove wrote:

> observer <prohumanis...@gmail.com> writes:
/> > March 4 2022
/> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sounds-like-jerry-jones-has-already-walked-back-rumors-that-amari-cooper-will-be-released/ar-AAUCHDJ
/> > ---
/> >
/> > Comment: An article discussing the Cowboys
/> > trying to trade Amari Cooper, that possibility
/> > already mentioned above.

..> Jerry's got to say that even if they have 100% decided not to keep
..> Cooper. Who would trade anything meaningful for Cooper if it was sure
..> that he would be released?

? "Meaningful"?

..>
..> Someone on ESPN said that the Cowboys have 6 offensive players who count
..> in excess of $15M each toward the cap, and no other team has more than 4.

The following link show the Cowboys
cap situation prior to restructures /
trades / cuts:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/

As I posted long ago, possible restruc-
tures are listed among the following:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys/c/8tcB9uEHsHg/m/1m-GHX-JAwAJ

As mentioned then & repeated, the most
over the cap are the Saints, & the 2nd-
most over the cap are the Packers:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2022/

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observer <prohumanistfreelover@gmail.com> writes:

> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 5:17:07 PM UTC-6, Eddie Grove wrote:
>
>> observer <prohumanis...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> /> > March 4 2022
> /> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sounds-like-jerry-jones-has-already-walked-back-rumors-that-amari-cooper-will-be-released/ar-AAUCHDJ
> /> > ---
> /> >
> /> > Comment: An article discussing the Cowboys
> /> > trying to trade Amari Cooper, that possibility
> /> > already mentioned above.
>
> .> Jerry's got to say that even if they have 100% decided not to keep
> .> Cooper. Who would trade anything meaningful for Cooper if it was sure
> .> that he would be released?
>
> ? "Meaningful"?

Anyone can offer trash. Detroit might offer to trade Goff for Cooper.

>
> .>
> .> Someone on ESPN said that the Cowboys have 6 offensive players who count
> .> in excess of $15M each toward the cap, and no other team has more than 4.
>
> The following link show the Cowboys
> cap situation prior to restructures /
> trades / cuts:
> https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/
>
> As I posted long ago, possible restruc-
> tures are listed among the following:
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys/c/8tcB9uEHsHg/m/1m-GHX-JAwAJ
>
> As mentioned then & repeated, the most
> over the cap are the Saints, & the 2nd-
> most over the cap are the Packers:
> https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2022/
>
> --- --- ---

Most of those numbers are meaningless, as was the 6 @ $15M+ thing I
wrote and you quoted. I just found it to be curious. No one reporting
cap stuff ever does the work to provide useful analysis. The best I
can hope for is amusing curiosities.

A slightly meaningful approach is to look at average annual salary.
If you go to
https://overthecap.com/contracts/
and set the slider minimum to about $15M/year and sort by team,
the Rams appear to be the most top-heavy, then the Chiefs, and then the
Bucs [assuming Brady does not count].

Presumably Cooper and Lawrence will be gone, leaving Dallas with only 2 such players.

Demarcus Lawrence isn't responsible personally, but the Cowboys have
finagled the system using his contract. There is $19M of deferred salary
cap attributable to his contract coming due as cap hits after they cut
him. IMO they should absorb it all this year, but nobody seems to be
willing to take pain now in a futile year to improve super bowl chances
in future years. If they wait 3 months to cut him, $8M cap hit this year
and $11M next year. However if they try to do that, he temporarily
counts as $27M for this year in the interim, which might make balancing
other contracts problematic while they wait.

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 by: observer - Wed, 9 Mar 2022 19:50 UTC

See Eddie's reply in previous post for yet another
excellent cap analysis:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys/c/J1TitsWEoAM/m/D3P8HU6_AQAJ

As for Amari Cooper, per the following analysis
by Jane Slater, the Cowboys are likely to trade
Amari Cooper prior to March 20 as the Cowboys
would have a salary cap hit of $20 million on
that date.

The article indicates multiple teams may trade
a draft pick for Amari & give Amari a bonus to
spread his cap impact.

https://twitter.com/SlaterNFL/status/1501579105325785088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501579411379867653%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrobible.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2Fnfl-insider-timeline-amari-cooper%2F

"Don’t expect news on Amari Cooper until we get
closer to the 5th day of the league year? Why? I’m
told the #Cowboys have been fielding some calls.
Advantage for teams? You don’t battle for him on
open market. They get to redo the deal and can
spread money out via signing bonus."

NFL Insider Gives Clear Timeline Of When
To Expect News Surrounding Amari Cooper
https://brobible.com/sports/article/nfl-insider-timeline-amari-cooper/

Ideally for the Cowboys, a team would trade their
2022 #1 draft pick for Amari, but that's presump-
tuous (optimistic) on my part regarding what a
team might be willing to give up.

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 by: observer - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:37 UTC

Follow-up:

Per the following article, my optimism regarding
the Cowboys possibly getting a draft pick in the
1st round for Amari Cooper is unrealistic:
https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/amari-cooper-trade-rumors-browns-offer/

..> Ideally for the Cowboys, a team would trade their
..> 2022 #1 draft pick for Amari, but that's presump-
..> tuous (optimistic) on my part regarding what a
..> team might be willing to give up.

“At least five teams have discussed Cowboys
receiver Amari Cooper’s availability in a poten-
tial trade or release ... the Cowboys can remain
patient since salary doesn’t guarantee until
March 20.”

.... the Browns are “real players” to land Cooper.
The Cowboys are pushing for a third-round pick
but “might settle for a four.” ...

..>
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Re: Amari Cooper likely to be released?

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 by: observer - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 20:21 UTC

Follow-up 2:

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:37:23 AM UTC-6, observer wrote:

..> Follow-up:
..>
..> Per the following article, my optimism regarding
..> the Cowboys possibly getting a draft pick in the
..> 1st round for Amari Cooper is unrealistic:
..> https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/amari-cooper-trade-rumors-browns-offer/
/> .> Ideally for the Cowboys, a team would trade their
/> .> 2022 #1 draft pick for Amari, but that's presump-
/> .> tuous (optimistic) on my part regarding what a
/> .> team might be willing to give up.
..> “At least five teams have discussed Cowboys
..> receiver Amari Cooper’s availability in a poten-
..> tial trade or release ... the Cowboys can remain
..> patient since salary doesn’t guarantee until
..> March 20.”
..>
..> ... the Browns are “real players” to land Cooper.
..> The Cowboys are pushing for a third-round pick
..> but “might settle for a four.” ...

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March 12 2022
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cowboys-trading-wide-receiver-amari-cooper-to-browns/ar-AAUZbn7
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Browns get WR Amari Cooper and a 6th,
Cowboys get a 5th and 6th.

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Comment:

Well, better than just being cut, but disap-
pointing that they only netted a 5th round
draft pick.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=%22salary+cap%22+%22Amari+Cooper%22
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Cooper has a three-year, $60 million contract
remaining that will head to Cleveland, the Cow-
boys will take on just $6 million in dead cap in
2022 and clear $16 million in salary-cap space.

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Comment 2:

-If- the Cowboys use that $16 million to obtain
a quality free agent (or, for that matter, use it
to keep or pay other Cowboys players), that's
a side effect that shouldn't be ignored.

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 by: Eddie Grove - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 01:31 UTC

observer <prohumanistfreelover@gmail.com> writes:

> Follow-up 2:
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:37:23 AM UTC-6, observer wrote:
>
> .> Follow-up:
> .>
> .> Per the following article, my optimism regarding
> .> the Cowboys possibly getting a draft pick in the
> .> 1st round for Amari Cooper is unrealistic:
> .> https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/amari-cooper-trade-rumors-browns-offer/

Unrealistic is a more diplomatic adjective than I would have used.

> /> .> Ideally for the Cowboys, a team would trade their
> /> .> 2022 #1 draft pick for Amari, but that's presump-
> /> .> tuous (optimistic) on my part regarding what a
> /> .> team might be willing to give up.
>
> .> “At least five teams have discussed Cowboys
> .> receiver Amari Cooper’s availability in a poten-
> .> tial trade or release ... the Cowboys can remain
> .> patient since salary doesn’t guarantee until
> .> March 20.”
> .>
> .> ... the Browns are “real players” to land Cooper.
> .> The Cowboys are pushing for a third-round pick
> .> but “might settle for a four.” ...
>
> ---
> March 12 2022
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cowboys-trading-wide-receiver-amari-cooper-to-browns/ar-AAUZbn7
> ---
>
> Browns get WR Amari Cooper and a 6th,
> Cowboys get a 5th and 6th.
>
> ---
>
> Comment:
>
> Well, better than just being cut, but disap-
> pointing that they only netted a 5th round
> draft pick.
>
> ---
> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22salary+cap%22+%22Amari+Cooper%22
> ---
>
> Cooper has a three-year, $60 million contract
> remaining that will head to Cleveland, the Cow-
> boys will take on just $6 million in dead cap in
> 2022 and clear $16 million in salary-cap space.

You don't trade for players, you trade for contracts.

Cooper was an enormous mistake. Take a look at
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/12/cowboys-gave-up-a-lot-for-three-plus-seasons-with-amari-cooper/

For what they gave up for Cooper plus the fifth they just got back,
they could have had AJ Brown *and* $42.5M to spend on other players.
They'd also have Brown this year on a rookie deal and the 5th-year
option available for next year.

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