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3. Linebacker Jabril Cox
https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/

2. Wide Receiver Simi Fehoko
https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/2/

1. Cornerback Kelvin Joseph
https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/3/

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Follow-up:

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 9:08:21 AM UTC-5, observer wrote:

..> 3. Linebacker Jabril Cox
..> https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/
..>
..> 2. Wide Receiver Simi Fehoko
..> https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/2/
..>
..> 1. Cornerback Kelvin Joseph
..> https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/3/
..>
..> *--- --- ---*

Kelvin Joseph’s name surfaced after Dallas PD
released surveillance footage showing a brawl
between two groups of men outside of a club
on Greenville Avenue shortly before 2 am on
March 18 2022.

After the fight, a black SUV pulled up and a person
inside the vehicle fired shots at the group of men.

20-year-old Cameron Ray was shot in the head and
died.
https://ussanews.com/2022/04/15/dallas-cowboys-cornerback-kelvin-joseph-a-person-of-interest-in-murder-investigation-20-year-old-gunned-down-outside-club-video/

Cowboys cornerback Kelvin Joseph was riding in
a vehicle from which several shots were fired in
March, killing 20-year-old Cameron Ray, his attor-
ney told the Dallas Morning News.

.... On March 18, Ray was gunned down outside the
OT Tavern in the Lower Greenville area of Dallas, TX.
Police had initially wanted to question Joseph as a
person of interest, as he had been seen with others
believed to be involved with the shooting. Now, his
attorney is revealing that he was in fact in the car
with the shooters – but did not pull the trigger.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/cowboys-kelvin-joseph-was-in-car-that-fired-gun-in-fatal-drive-by/

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Comment: Other reports say there was a shooter
who fired multiple shots, and I haven't seen any re-
port indicating more than one person in the vehicle
fired shots, albeit that last sentence used the word
"shooters" rather than "shooter".

During the 2021 draft, there were reports of some
behavioral questions regarding Kelvin Joseph but
on a recent search I was unable to find what those
behavioral issues were.

As always, when gun violence transpires, questions
arise regarding the risks of having a society with so
many guns in our midst. Prior to the murder, and I'm
not that familiar with the law, but it appears that the
shooter possessed a gun in a bar, and I think it's ille-
gal to have a gun in a bar.

The following article says "Texans are still prohibited
from carrying firearms in bars." Of course, unknown
if the shooter was in the bar or was engaged in the
fight outside the bar or if the shooter used a gun that
he had left in the car.
https://www.icsid.org/uncategorized/can-businesses-in-texas-say-no-to-gun-holders/

Riding in a car with a group after a fight, and someone
in the car pulling out a gun and firing at a group of men
that the group in the car had just had a fight with, the
degree of guilt Kelvin should have over that should be
high, whatever the legal or NFL stance regarding that
is. On the other hand, the degree of guilt is higher if ...

.... Kelvin knew that someone in the car had a gun and
if Kelvin did nothing to prevent that person from firing
the gun, but with Kelvin saying practically nothing thus
far, impossible to know much more until or unless more
information becomes available.

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Follow-up 2:

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-5, observer wrote:

> Follow-up:
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 9:08:21 AM UTC-5, observer wrote:
>
/> .> 3. Linebacker Jabril Cox
/> .> https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/
/> .>
/> .> 2. Wide Receiver Simi Fehoko
/> .> https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/2/
/> .>
/> .> 1. Cornerback Kelvin Joseph
/> .> https://thelandryhat.com/2022/04/13/cowboys-3-second-year-players-breakout-fehoko-cox-joseph/3/
/> .>
/> .> \*--- --- ---*/
..> Kelvin Joseph’s name surfaced after Dallas PD
..> released surveillance footage showing a brawl
..> between two groups of men outside of a club
..> on Greenville Avenue shortly before 2 am on
..> March 18 2022.
..>
..> After the fight, a black SUV pulled up and a person
..> inside the vehicle fired shots at the group of men.
..>
..> 20-year-old Cameron Ray was shot in the head and
..> died.
..> https://ussanews.com/2022/04/15/dallas-cowboys-cornerback-kelvin-joseph-a-person-of-interest-in-murder-investigation-20-year-old-gunned-down-outside-club-video/
..>
..> Cowboys cornerback Kelvin Joseph was riding in
..> a vehicle from which several shots were fired in
..> March, killing 20-year-old Cameron Ray, his attor-
..> ney told the Dallas Morning News.
..>
..> ... On March 18, Ray was gunned down outside the
..> OT Tavern in the Lower Greenville area of Dallas, TX.
..> Police had initially wanted to question Joseph as a
..> person of interest, as he had been seen with others
..> believed to be involved with the shooting. Now, his
..> attorney is revealing that he was in fact in the car
..> with the shooters – but did not pull the trigger.
..> https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/cowboys-kelvin-joseph-was-in-car-that-fired-gun-in-fatal-drive-by/
..>
..> ---
..>
..> Comment: Other reports say there was a shooter
..> who fired multiple shots, and I haven't seen any re-
..> port indicating more than one person in the vehicle
..> fired shots, albeit that last sentence used the word
..> "shooters" rather than "shooter".

---
12:09 PM CDT April 16, 2022

2 men arrested in fatal shooting in which
Cowboys' Kelvin Joseph was questioned
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-cowboys-kelvin-joseph-sources-2-men-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-greenville-avenue-murder-cameron-ray/287-47a43f31-74be-4d39-be75-ac27944b356e
---

.... The two suspects, who were arrested late Friday,
have not yet been identified by police. ... Investigators
believe the two men arrested Friday fired weapons in
the shooting death of Ray, sources said. ...

..>
..> During the 2021 draft, there were reports of some
..> behavioral questions regarding Kelvin Joseph but
..> on a recent search I was unable to find what those
..> behavioral issues were.
..>
..> As always, when gun violence transpires, questions
..> arise regarding the risks of having a society with so
..> many guns in our midst. Prior to the murder, and I'm
..> not that familiar with the law, but it appears that the
..> shooter possessed a gun in a bar, and I think it's ille-
..> gal to have a gun in a bar.
..>
..> The following article says "Texans are still prohibited
..> from carrying firearms in bars." Of course, unknown
..> if the shooter was in the bar or was engaged in the
..> fight outside the bar or if the shooter used a gun that
..> he had left in the car.
..> https://www.icsid.org/uncategorized/can-businesses-in-texas-say-no-to-gun-holders/
..>
..> Riding in a car with a group after a fight, and someone
..> in the car pulling out a gun and firing at a group of men
..> that the group in the car had just had a fight with, the
..> degree of guilt Kelvin should have over that should be
..> high, whatever the legal or NFL stance regarding that
..> is. On the other hand, the degree of guilt is higher if ...
..>
..> ... Kelvin knew that someone in the car had a gun and
..> if Kelvin did nothing to prevent that person from firing
..> the gun, but with Kelvin saying practically nothing thus
..> far, impossible to know much more until or unless more
..> information becomes available.

Per the arrest report, 2 men fired guns. Unknown where
the 2 men were and where Kelvin was when their guns
were fired or if Kelvin did anything to try to prevent them
from firing their guns.

..>
..> ~\~--- --- ---~/~

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observer <prohumanistfreelover@gmail.com> writes:

> Cowboys cornerback Kelvin Joseph was riding in
> a vehicle from which several shots were fired in
> March, killing 20-year-old Cameron Ray, his attor-
> ney told the Dallas Morning News.

That could be enough for jail time.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/15/kelvin-joseph-meets-with-dallas-police-for-hours-in-connection-with-murder/

"Texas’ law of parties could potentially lead to charges for anyone in
the SUV at the time of the shooting, according to the DMN."

Eddie

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:44:57 PM UTC-5, Eddie Grove wrote:

> observer writes:
/> > Cowboys cornerback Kelvin Joseph was riding in
/> > a vehicle from which several shots were fired in
/> > March, killing 20-year-old Cameron Ray, his attor-
/> > ney told the Dallas Morning News.

..> That could be enough for jail time.
..>
..> https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/15/kelvin-joseph-meets-with-dallas-police-for-hours-in-connection-with-murder/
..>
..> "Texas’ law of parties could potentially lead to charges for anyone in
..> the SUV at the time of the shooting, according to the DMN."
..>
..> Eddie

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.7.htm#7.02

Sec. 7.02. CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONDUCT
OF ANOTHER. (a) A person is criminally responsible for
an offense committed by the conduct of another if:

(1) acting with the kind of culpability required for the
offense, he causes or aids an innocent or nonresponsible
person to engage in conduct prohibited by the definition
of the offense;

(2) acting with intent to promote or assist the commission
of the offense, he solicits, encourages, directs, aids, or at-
tempts to aid the other person to commit the offense; or

(3) having a legal duty to prevent commission of the offense
and acting with intent to promote or assist its commission, he
fails to make a reasonable effort to prevent commission of the
offense.

(b) If, in the attempt to carry out a conspiracy to commit one
felony, another felony is committed by one of the conspirators,
all conspirators are guilty of the felony actually committed, though
having no intent to commit it, if the offense was committed in fur-
therance of the unlawful purpose and was one that should have
been anticipated as a result of the carrying out of the conspiracy.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01,
eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

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Questions: Did Kelvin have knowledge of the 2 individuals having
guns? Did Kelvin have knowledge of the intent of the 2 individuals
to fire their guns at the men they had a fight with? Was Kelvin in a
position to try to prevent 1 or both of those individuals from firing
their guns? Did Kelvin try to prevent 1 or both of those individuals
from firing their guns?

How many people were in the car? Did the driver of the car have
the intent for those 2 shooters to fire their guns at the men they
had a fight with? Not sure how many were in the car but the same
questions that apply to Kelvin would apply to all of those who didn't
fire the guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Joseph
.... Joseph has released rap records under the pseudonym "YKDV
Bossman Fat" ... A day after Joseph met with investigators, two
men from his hometown of Baton Rouge were arrested in connec-
tion with the incident (the murder of Cameron Ray).

Comment: Kelvin & the 2 arrested men were all from Baton Rouge,
giving the impression that they were acquaintances or friends for
some time. Kelvin was born in Baton Rouge.

Other comments: Obviously, friends of Cameron Ray called for help
when Cameron was shot. Obviously, Kelvin Joseph knew that shots
had been fired from the vehicle he and the shooters were in. Unclear
when or if Kelvin or anyone else in the vehicle Kelvin was in contacted
the police about the shooting, or if his 1st contact with the police was
when the police contacted him about the shooting.

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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Three 2021 Cowboys rookies with potential for breakout seasons in 2022
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 by: observer - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:55 UTC

Another follow-up:

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 7:25:36 PM UTC-5, observer wrote:

> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:44:57 PM UTC-5, Eddie Grove wrote:
> > observer writes:
~> /> > Cowboys cornerback Kelvin Joseph was riding in
~> /> > a vehicle from which several shots were fired in
~> /> > March, killing 20-year-old Cameron Ray, his attor-
~> /> > ney told the Dallas Morning News.
`> .> That could be enough for jail time.
`> .>
`> .> https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/15/kelvin-joseph-meets-with-dallas-police-for-hours-in-connection-with-murder/
`> .>
`> .> "Texas’ law of parties could potentially lead to charges for anyone in
`> .> the SUV at the time of the shooting, according to the DMN."
`> .>
`> .> Eddie
..> https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.7.htm#7.02
..>
..> Sec. 7.02. CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONDUCT
..> OF ANOTHER. (a) A person is criminally responsible for
..> an offense committed by the conduct of another if:
..>
..> (1) acting with the kind of culpability required for the
..> offense, he causes or aids an innocent or nonresponsible
..> person to engage in conduct prohibited by the definition
..> of the offense;
..>
..> (2) acting with intent to promote or assist the commission
..> of the offense, he solicits, encourages, directs, aids, or at-
..> tempts to aid the other person to commit the offense; or
..>
..> (3) having a legal duty to prevent commission of the offense
..> and acting with intent to promote or assist its commission, he
..> fails to make a reasonable effort to prevent commission of the
..> offense.
..>
..> (b) If, in the attempt to carry out a conspiracy to commit one
..> felony, another felony is committed by one of the conspirators,
..> all conspirators are guilty of the felony actually committed, though
..> having no intent to commit it, if the offense was committed in fur-
..> therance of the unlawful purpose and was one that should have
..> been anticipated as a result of the carrying out of the conspiracy.
..>
..> Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
..> Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01,
..> eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
..>
..> ---
..>
..> Questions: Did Kelvin have knowledge of the 2 individuals having
..> guns? Did Kelvin have knowledge of the intent of the 2 individuals
..> to fire their guns at the men they had a fight with? Was Kelvin in a
..> position to try to prevent 1 or both of those individuals from firing
..> their guns? Did Kelvin try to prevent 1 or both of those individuals
..> from firing their guns?
..>
..> How many people were in the car? Did the driver of the car have
..> the intent for those 2 shooters to fire their guns at the men they
..> had a fight with? Not sure how many were in the car but the same
..> questions that apply to Kelvin would apply to all of those who didn't
..> fire the guns.
..>
..> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Joseph
..> ... Joseph has released rap records under the pseudonym "YKDV
..> Bossman Fat" ... A day after Joseph met with investigators, two
..> men from his hometown of Baton Rouge were arrested in connec-
..> tion with the incident (the murder of Cameron Ray).
..>
..> Comment: Kelvin & the 2 arrested men were all from Baton Rouge,
..> giving the impression that they were acquaintances or friends for
..> some time. Kelvin was born in Baton Rouge.

Aries Jones, 28, and Tivione English, 21, were detained in connection
with the homicide of Ray.
https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/dallas-cowboys/2022/04/16/625b1e9ce2704e7d8f8b45d8.html

Another question: -If- Kelvin knew those guys 'well' from having
spent considerable time with one another in Baton Rouge (that's
unknown right now) & Kelvin knew they had guns, it leaves the
impression that Kelvin is not as innocent as his lawyer is trying
to say he is.

I suspect that this will cast a dark shadow on Kelvin's career,
begging questions about what Kelvin knew about those shoot-
ers having guns, how well Kelvin knew those shooters, and what
the intent of Kelvin & all of the guys in the SUV was when they
got into the SUV after having a fight with the murdered victim
& that victim's friends in front of the OT Tavern.

..>
..> Other comments: Obviously, friends of Cameron Ray called for help
..> when Cameron was shot. Obviously, Kelvin Joseph knew that shots
..> had been fired from the vehicle he and the shooters were in. Unclear
..> when or if Kelvin or anyone else in the vehicle Kelvin was in contacted
..> the police about the shooting, or if his 1st contact with the police was
..> when the police contacted him about the shooting.
..>
..> *--- --- ---*

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