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by: Marc Messing - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:19 UTC

A recent post on reddit rowing (13 March, "Underneath the pretty picture...") showed half of an eight being carried away from the dock after a collision in The Netherlands. My question is this: how robust are flotation standards in terms of supporting crews when crashes damage the hulls?

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by: carl - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:16 UTC

On 14/03/2022 16:19, Marc Messing wrote:
> A recent post on reddit rowing (13 March, "Underneath the pretty picture...") showed half of an eight being carried away from the dock after a collision in The Netherlands. My question is this: how robust are flotation standards in terms of supporting crews when crashes damage the hulls?
>

Marc -
There are no crash-test standards for racing shells, However, if it was
built with full buoyancy/flotation then, even if cut in half, there
should be something to support swimmers, but the crew might well have
been thrown from the boat.

After such an impact the first concern will be for the safety & rescue
of anyone injured in that process. That could be tricky.

Do we know how this boat to which you refer came to be broken?

Carl

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by: Andy McKenzie - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 10:43 UTC

On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 18:16:27 UTC, carl wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 16:19, Marc Messing wrote:
> > A recent post on reddit rowing (13 March, "Underneath the pretty picture...") showed half of an eight being carried away from the dock after a collision in The Netherlands. My question is this: how robust are flotation standards in terms of supporting crews when crashes damage the hulls?
> >
> Marc -
> There are no crash-test standards for racing shells, However, if it was
> built with full buoyancy/flotation then, even if cut in half, there
> should be something to support swimmers, but the crew might well have
> been thrown from the boat.
>
> After such an impact the first concern will be for the safety & rescue
> of anyone injured in that process. That could be tricky.
>
> Do we know how this boat to which you refer came to be broken?
>
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
> Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
> Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
> Find: tinyurl.com/2tqujf
> Email: ca...@carldouglasrowing.com Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
> URLs: carldouglasrowing.com & now on Facebook @ CarlDouglasRacingShells
I had a look at the Reddit pages, - it's not totally clear but sounds like an accident during marshalling or warm up at the Heineken Roeivierkamp in the Netherlands. There is a linked picture on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CbF3jNkAbNu/?hl=en) that shows some fairly catastrophic damage.. I can't quite get my head round the picture, but it looks as if the stern of the boat was torn off in front of the coxes seat. Seems very fortunate that there weren't serious injuries.

Andy

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by: carl - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:26 UTC

On 16/03/2022 10:43, Andy McKenzie wrote:
> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 18:16:27 UTC, carl wrote:
>> On 14/03/2022 16:19, Marc Messing wrote:
>>> A recent post on reddit rowing (13 March, "Underneath the pretty picture...") showed half of an eight being carried away from the dock after a collision in The Netherlands. My question is this: how robust are flotation standards in terms of supporting crews when crashes damage the hulls?
>>>
>> Marc -
>> There are no crash-test standards for racing shells, However, if it was
>> built with full buoyancy/flotation then, even if cut in half, there
>> should be something to support swimmers, but the crew might well have
>> been thrown from the boat.
>>
>> After such an impact the first concern will be for the safety & rescue
>> of anyone injured in that process. That could be tricky.
>>
>> Do we know how this boat to which you refer came to be broken?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> --
>> Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
>> Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
>> Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
>> Find: tinyurl.com/2tqujf
>> Email: ca...@carldouglasrowing.com Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
>> URLs: carldouglasrowing.com & now on Facebook @ CarlDouglasRacingShells
> I had a look at the Reddit pages, - it's not totally clear but sounds like an accident during marshalling or warm up at the Heineken Roeivierkamp in the Netherlands. There is a linked picture on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CbF3jNkAbNu/?hl=en) that shows some fairly catastrophic damage. I can't quite get my head round the picture, but it looks as if the stern of the boat was torn off in front of the coxes seat. Seems very fortunate that there weren't serious injuries.
>
> Andy
>

Although that photo seems to show a very mashed-up bow? I trust that no
one was hurt?

Cheers -
Carl

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by: Andy McKenzie - Wed, 16 Mar 2022 16:09 UTC

On Wednesday, 16 March 2022 at 12:26:29 UTC, carl wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 10:43, Andy McKenzie wrote:
> > On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 18:16:27 UTC, carl wrote:
> >> On 14/03/2022 16:19, Marc Messing wrote:
> >>> A recent post on reddit rowing (13 March, "Underneath the pretty picture...") showed half of an eight being carried away from the dock after a collision in The Netherlands. My question is this: how robust are flotation standards in terms of supporting crews when crashes damage the hulls?
> >>>
> >> Marc -
> >> There are no crash-test standards for racing shells, However, if it was
> >> built with full buoyancy/flotation then, even if cut in half, there
> >> should be something to support swimmers, but the crew might well have
> >> been thrown from the boat.
> >>
> >> After such an impact the first concern will be for the safety & rescue
> >> of anyone injured in that process. That could be tricky.
> >>
> >> Do we know how this boat to which you refer came to be broken?
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
> >> Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
> >> Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
> >> Find: tinyurl.com/2tqujf
> >> Email: ca...@carldouglasrowing.com Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
> >> URLs: carldouglasrowing.com & now on Facebook @ CarlDouglasRacingShells
> > I had a look at the Reddit pages, - it's not totally clear but sounds like an accident during marshalling or warm up at the Heineken Roeivierkamp in the Netherlands. There is a linked picture on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CbF3jNkAbNu/?hl=en) that shows some fairly catastrophic damage. I can't quite get my head round the picture, but it looks as if the stern of the boat was torn off in front of the coxes seat. Seems very fortunate that there weren't serious injuries.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> Although that photo seems to show a very mashed-up bow? I trust that no
> one was hurt?
>
> Cheers -
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
> Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
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> Find: tinyurl.com/2tqujf
> Email: ca...@carldouglasrowing.com Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
> URLs: carldouglasrowing.com & now on Facebook @ CarlDouglasRacingShells
It does say some people were taken to hospital for check ups, but not hurt. And bows is more sensible, i just wasn't interpreting the photo sensibly. (Memo to self - go to specsavers)

Andy

Subject	Author
Regarding Boat Flotation	Marc Messing
Re: Regarding Boat Flotation	carl
Re: Regarding Boat Flotation	Andy McKenzie
Re: Regarding Boat Flotation	carl
Re: Regarding Boat Flotation	Andy McKenzie