https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990

The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
>
> The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.

Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> >
> > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.

No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.

Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > >
> > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
>
> Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game.. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.

And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > >
> > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> >
> > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!

Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > >
> > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > >
> > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.

Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.

And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > >
> > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks..
>
> And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.

It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> >
> > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.

Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.

Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > >
> > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach.......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
>
> Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round.. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).

Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > >
> > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach.......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> >
> > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy.....that kid is not a very big target!

And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv..net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach.......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > >
> > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy.....that kid is not a very big target!
> And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4..3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks.....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd.....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,.....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.

I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS.....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg....@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks.....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd.....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,.....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> > What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.
> I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS.....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...

All it takes is one team to take who you want if you wait. For instance, it was speculated that the Broncos were interested in Jones and he would not have lasted until the spot they took Dexter Lawrence.

And I will repeat---I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT RALPH AND HIS EXPERTS THOUGHT. THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED. What do Ralph and his experts think of no one took Willis is the first or even second round?

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg....@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > > > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> > > What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.
> > I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...
> All it takes is one team to take who you want if you wait. For instance, it was speculated that the Broncos were interested in Jones and he would not have lasted until the spot they took Dexter Lawrence.
>
> And I will repeat---I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT RALPH AND HIS EXPERTS THOUGHT. THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED. What do Ralph and his experts think of no one took Willis is the first or even second round?

Paul Schwartz much the same thoughts as me, but he is nicer and more educated, i said "Knucklehead or Genius" he said "Indictment" or "Prescient":

The response by the Giants after moving down from 36 to 43 could be the make-or-break move of Schoen’s first draft. He took one of the smaller players in the draft, 5-foot-8 receiver Wan’Dale Robinson from Kentucky and then insisted this is not a duplication with Kadarius Toney. Schoen passed up Trey McBride, the top tight end prospect, and more prototypical receivers John Metchie III and Skyy Moore, to land Robinson.

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg....@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > > > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> > > What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.
> > I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...
> All it takes is one team to take who you want if you wait. For instance, it was speculated that the Broncos were interested in Jones and he would not have lasted until the spot they took Dexter Lawrence.
>
> And I will repeat---I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT RALPH AND HIS EXPERTS THOUGHT. THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED. What do Ralph and his experts think of no one took Willis is the first or even second round?

Everyone knows "they got who they wanted" the question we are all asking is was it the right guy in the right spot being almost everyone and their brother had him going in rounds 4 or 5.....knucklehead or genius, time will tell.
What we cant question the almighty rookie GM Schoen? sorry i am questioning it and so are a lot of others.....most others in fact....im just here for the ride and hope he is right but im not waving any pom poms for a guy with zero track record....its a huge reach.

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:55:19 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg....@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me..
> > > > > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > > > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > > > > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1....Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> > > > What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.
> > > I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...
> > All it takes is one team to take who you want if you wait. For instance, it was speculated that the Broncos were interested in Jones and he would not have lasted until the spot they took Dexter Lawrence.
> >
> > And I will repeat---I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT RALPH AND HIS EXPERTS THOUGHT. THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED. What do Ralph and his experts think of no one took Willis is the first or even second round?
> Everyone knows "they got who they wanted" the question we are all asking is was it the right guy in the right spot being almost everyone and their brother had him going in rounds 4 or 5.....knucklehead or genius, time will tell.
> What we cant question the almighty rookie GM Schoen? sorry i am questioning it and so are a lot of others.....most others in fact....im just here for the ride and hope he is right but im not waving any pom poms for a guy with zero track record....its a huge reach.

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 9:18:45 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:55:19 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index..php?mode=2&thread=621990
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower.....never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > > > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
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> > > > > > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > > > > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > > > > > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> > > > > What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.
> > > > I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...
> > > All it takes is one team to take who you want if you wait. For instance, it was speculated that the Broncos were interested in Jones and he would not have lasted until the spot they took Dexter Lawrence.
> > >
> > > And I will repeat---I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT RALPH AND HIS EXPERTS THOUGHT. THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED. What do Ralph and his experts think of no one took Willis is the first or even second round?
> > Everyone knows "they got who they wanted" the question we are all asking is was it the right guy in the right spot being almost everyone and their brother had him going in rounds 4 or 5.....knucklehead or genius, time will tell.
> > What we cant question the almighty rookie GM Schoen? sorry i am questioning it and so are a lot of others.....most others in fact....im just here for the ride and hope he is right but im not waving any pom poms for a guy with zero track record....its a huge reach.
> Remember Jones wasnt pegged as a "3rd or 4th rounder" which would be comparable to the mighty mite reach scenario...the lowest grade i remember DJ getting was high 2nd round, but that was by no means the consensus, that was lowest.
> And you keep bringing up that QB who dropped....what do i care? i knew the Giants were going with Jones and a QB wasnt on the table even......at least not as a high pick...Chris Simms was a bit miffed at it but at the same time he said the NFL isnt hurting for QB's right now and we all know this was a weak QB draft, and like me Chris also brought up the "level of competition" because he played at Liberty. Plus he is very raw and a project. I guess the social justice warriors cant bring up he was black and Pickett white, since Tomlin took the white guy! But you never know maybe Malick becomes franchise and Pickett doesn't.

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:08:07 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 9:18:45 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:55:19 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:10:19 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, TomW wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:46:27 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:18:21 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:47:04 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:33:00 PM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:48:37 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:00:49 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:42:13 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:18:14 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=621990
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest headscratcher seems to be the mini might WR in the 2nd round. Consensus seems to be he was a 4th rounder and they could have waited to get him.....also he is similar to Toney. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and we have the next Tyreek Hill/Deebo.....dont see how how a dude that small can run as tough as Deebo tho, and Hill runs a sub 4.3, maybe fastest guy in the league...we shall see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is he a 4th rounder? Because Kiper and his ilk say so? At the beginning of round 2 Kiper had his #1 available player as the qb Willis. He did not go first or in fact at all in the 2nd round. What did he end up? A 4th rounder, I believe.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No because Ralph V, NFL.com and others say it.....thats the meaning of CONSENSUS, i dunno Kipers board....i mean shit people are still bitching and complaining that DJ wasnt picked 10 slots lower......never mind 2 ROUNDS lower. Sorry if i'm not pollyanna about it being the last 5-10 drafts have put us in this current position. Yea i know new guy but i say PROVE IT. Hope he does. And like i said even if Neal and Thebow are stars and the rest of the draft is out of the league in 5 years it will STILL be considered a good draft, thats how hard it is to hit stars in the draft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ralph says "quite a few sources" say AT LEAST 4th round:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daboll seems to love him and believes he can have a role in his offensive scheme. That may be true, but he figures to be the fourth receiver at best at the start, and maybe even the fifth or sixth option in the passing game. And that’s if he’s as good as the Giants think. Quite a few NFL sources thought he shouldn’t have been drafted until at least the fourth round. Time will tell if the Giants are right.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And since you keep mentioning Kiper i looked up his picks....and altho i didnt see anything on the mini WR in question i did see he had Thebow 2nd and Neal 3rd overall......so maybe we should hope Kiper IS RIGHT!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also just like i didnt give Joe Judge the benefit of the doubt as a rookie HC (even tho he had quite a few cheerleaders in the fan base and media at first) why should i give Schoen the benefit of the doubt as a rookie GM? Because he was an underling at Buffalo? Big Shit. DG was an underling here for the SB teams AND was Carolina GM when they went to 15-1 and a SB appearence and what did that get us? Not even a bag of chips, unless Jones has a breakout year. Not saying Schoen will fail all i'm saying is once bitten twice shy....PROVE IT. SHOW ME. Til then no pom poms from me.
> > > > > > > > > > > Both Daboll in Buffalo and Kafka in Kansas City ran offenses that they think Robinson fits well into. And let's not forget they traded down twice to get him, so they got the player they wanted and two additional later picks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And I don't give a flying fuck what Ralph says. When he becomes an NFL GM, he can run his draft any way he wants. But, do not hold your breath waiting for someone to hire him for that role.
> > > > > > > > > > It was RALPHS NFL SOURCES not Ralph. N.....F....L.....not some asshole who has a mock draft podcast....and i'm sure NFL.com hires former scouts or whatever because their profiles are very in depth, they are not Jeff from upstate NY....consensus says its a reach. Period. But as Ralph says time will tell if the Giants are right. I'll Cross my fingers, you can wave the pom poms for a rookie GM like so many did for Joe Judge as a rookie coach......i'm not. You never know Hill was a 5th rounder and Debo was a 2nd....i'd be more than THRILLED if mini me even approaches those 2 guys, lets hope. but it IS a reach.
> > > > > > > > > Fine, it was a reach who fits into their offensive scheme and in drafting him #43, they also received 2 extra draft picks. Depth, remember what happened to them last season when 2 signed linemen retired during training camp, Lemieux was injured, and then Gates was injured.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Remember, the expert of all experts Kiper, at the beginning of round 2 had Willis as #1 left on his board. And he was not picked until the 4th round. I guess all the NFL GMs were morons (except Tennessee's GM who figured out he would last until round 4).
> > > > > > > > Any kid coming out of Liberty (gulp) is gonna have question marks,....the argument is the Giants coulda used the 2nd on a more highly rated prospect and STILL got mini me later on.....listen just because its a reach doesnt mean he will bust, hey i hope Schoen comes out looking like a genius and he is the next Tyreek hill. What this does hint at is the Giants are gonna go inspector Gadget this year....guess thats bad news to some who used to come here and long for the days of Parcells/Joe Morris 80s football 3 yards and a cloud of turf beads. All i know is DJ better sharpen up his accuracy....that kid is not a very big target!
> > > > > > > And you are right....i think this pick has Andy Reid/Kafka written all over it....but they got Hill in round 5...tho he was worth a high #1...Miami now i guess so he can abuse the Jets, who also wanted him...but Hill is one of the most if not THE most electrifying players in the NFL.....hey if mini me gives me 2 return TD's on specials this year i'm happy he went #2 Jeff!
> > > > > > What did Ralph and the consensus say about Flowers or Hernandez or Haskins or hundreds of other flops? It's all BS more than anything else.. Put him on the field and see what he can do. And he may be a small target but that doesn't matter if he can get separation which last years crop of receivers could not do. I'm also wondering if they took him because he can also be a running back.
> > > > > I'm thinking they took him because Toney is a lose cannon and can't be trusted....because they have similar attributes. That still doesn't mean they couldn't have got the same guy later in the draft. Remember the big to do that Jones shoulda been takin where they got big dex? And that was 10 SLOTS....what Ralph is saying is his NFL insiders (GM's? Scouts? Coaches? Assistant GM's?) told him maybe mini me coulda dropped 2 ROUNDS LOWER...or about 64 slots lower. Big difference, much bigger reach. Again doesn't mean he will bust its just a much bigger reach. And i don't give rookies with no track record the benefit of the doubt, and our GM is a rookie. Just like i didnt with Joe Judge. Just like i didnt with Toney, Just like I will not with Neal or Thebow. But i also will not cry "bust" after one year.....just like i didn't with Thomas and still will not with Toney. But like i said Toneys start makes OBJs rookie year look like Mr humble, and OBJ did MUCH MUCH more on the feild as a rookie...
> > > > All it takes is one team to take who you want if you wait. For instance, it was speculated that the Broncos were interested in Jones and he would not have lasted until the spot they took Dexter Lawrence.
> > > >
> > > > And I will repeat---I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT RALPH AND HIS EXPERTS THOUGHT. THEY GOT WHO THEY WANTED. What do Ralph and his experts think of no one took Willis is the first or even second round?
> > > Everyone knows "they got who they wanted" the question we are all asking is was it the right guy in the right spot being almost everyone and their brother had him going in rounds 4 or 5.....knucklehead or genius, time will tell.
> > > What we cant question the almighty rookie GM Schoen? sorry i am questioning it and so are a lot of others.....most others in fact....im just here for the ride and hope he is right but im not waving any pom poms for a guy with zero track record....its a huge reach.
> > Remember Jones wasnt pegged as a "3rd or 4th rounder" which would be comparable to the mighty mite reach scenario...the lowest grade i remember DJ getting was high 2nd round, but that was by no means the consensus, that was lowest.
> > And you keep bringing up that QB who dropped....what do i care? i knew the Giants were going with Jones and a QB wasnt on the table even......at least not as a high pick...Chris Simms was a bit miffed at it but at the same time he said the NFL isnt hurting for QB's right now and we all know this was a weak QB draft, and like me Chris also brought up the "level of competition" because he played at Liberty. Plus he is very raw and a project. I guess the social justice warriors cant bring up he was black and Pickett white, since Tomlin took the white guy! But you never know maybe Malick becomes franchise and Pickett doesn't.
> All picks are "reaches". You could go second in the draft where you are predicted to go like Ryan Leaf or Tony Mandarich and be a huge bust. Would it have been a reach if the Giants had drafted Victor Cruz instead of Ramses Barden? I guess it would have been.