Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

Nadia Comaneci, simple perfection. -- '76 Olympics


sport / alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys / Re: Super Bowl Grass?

SubjectAuthor
* Super Bowl Grass?observer
`* Re: Super Bowl Grass?observer
 `- Re: Super Bowl Grass?observer

1
Super Bowl Grass?

<11614b45-4d52-4cd5-ab29-de48cf8a4aedn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/sport/article-flat.php?id=3745&group=alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys#3745

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b452:0:b0:56e:a7de:3448 with SMTP id e18-20020a0cb452000000b0056ea7de3448mr4474qvf.43.1676138524622;
Sat, 11 Feb 2023 10:02:04 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:b522:b0:16d:dc93:691d with SMTP id
v34-20020a056870b52200b0016ddc93691dmr328420oap.6.1676138523982; Sat, 11 Feb
2023 10:02:03 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 10:02:03 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=159.118.146.191; posting-account=gHkIgQoAAADjSNot643OoIpmbvzCVQjP
NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.118.146.191
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <11614b45-4d52-4cd5-ab29-de48cf8a4aedn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Super Bowl Grass?
From: prohuman...@gmail.com (observer)
Injection-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 18:02:04 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1867
 by: observer - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 18:02 UTC

February 11 2023
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35625308/super-bowl-2023-experimental-grass

The grass being used is Tahoma 31.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tahoma+31%22

The grass it replaced is Tifway 419.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tifway+419%22

I'll let the article detail the whys & wherefores
of the supposed advantages of Tahoma 31
over Tifway 419.

Myself, I'm clueless & here's an article about
stadiums with grass or turf (I presume turf is
codeword for artificial surface).
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-stadiums-grass-or-turf/

Type of grass in NFL stadiums:
https://www.google.com/search?q=type+of+grass+in+NFL+stadiums

16 NFL stadiums have real grass. 10 of them
have Bermuda grass, 3 have Kentucky blue-
grass, 2 have Desso Grassmaster, & 1 has a
combination of different grasses.

--- --- ---

Re: Super Bowl Grass?

<c73d6a07-5f2c-45d0-8cb7-9eee07fc0466n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/sport/article-flat.php?id=3763&group=alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys#3763

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a9c6:0:b0:53b:f96b:4e27 with SMTP id c6-20020a0ca9c6000000b0053bf96b4e27mr2014230qvb.20.1676312225752;
Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:17:05 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1a0b:b0:378:33d0:ab04 with SMTP id
bk11-20020a0568081a0b00b0037833d0ab04mr2268724oib.179.1676312225451; Mon, 13
Feb 2023 10:17:05 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:17:05 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <11614b45-4d52-4cd5-ab29-de48cf8a4aedn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=159.118.146.191; posting-account=gHkIgQoAAADjSNot643OoIpmbvzCVQjP
NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.118.146.191
References: <11614b45-4d52-4cd5-ab29-de48cf8a4aedn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <c73d6a07-5f2c-45d0-8cb7-9eee07fc0466n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Grass?
From: prohuman...@gmail.com (observer)
Injection-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 18:17:05 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 3703
 by: observer - Mon, 13 Feb 2023 18:17 UTC

Follow-up:

February 13 2023

NFL shows off new way to waste
$800,000 with slippery field in Super Bowl
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/nfl-shows-wastes-800-thousand-slippery-field-super-bowl/

.... 800,000 American dollars can also be used
to engineer, grow and transport a terrible field
of grass for the Super Bowl.

While the game itself was quite compelling, an
unfortunate side plot developed when several
players found themselves slipping on the turf.
The poor footing affected ball carriers, defen-
ders, touchdown scorers and kickers alike ... .

Video of some of the plays in which
players slipped during the game:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1624952882486280192

As the saying goes, "the best laid plans of mice
and men often go awry".
https://www.google.com/search?q=the+best+laid+plans+of+mice+and+men

In 1785 Robert Burns wrote “The best laid plans
of mice and men often go awry”.

.... "I'm not going to lie, it was the worst field that
I've ever played on," Eagles pass rusher Haason
Reddick said postgame.

Comment: Put another way, the field, like the terri-
ble blown call by the most flag-throwing official in
the NFL over the last two years, was a disaster.

Murphy's Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law

"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:02:05 PM UTC-6, observer wrote:

..> February 11 2023
..> https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35625308/super-bowl-2023-experimental-grass
..>
..> The grass being used is Tahoma 31.
..> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tahoma+31%22
..>
..> The grass it replaced is Tifway 419.
..> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tifway+419%22
..>
..> I'll let the article detail the whys & wherefores
..> of the supposed advantages of Tahoma 31
..> over Tifway 419.
..>
..> Myself, I'm clueless & here's an article about
..> stadiums with grass or turf (I presume turf is
..> codeword for artificial surface).
..> https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-stadiums-grass-or-turf/
..>
..> Type of grass in NFL stadiums:
..> https://www.google.com/search?q=type+of+grass+in+NFL+stadiums
..>
..> 16 NFL stadiums have real grass. 10 of them
..> have Bermuda grass, 3 have Kentucky blue-
..> grass, 2 have Desso Grassmaster, & 1 has a
..> combination of different grasses.
..>
..> *--- --- ---*

Re: Super Bowl Grass?

<5ac09764-507c-4866-9ae8-0a8f7c4c3dc2n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/sport/article-flat.php?id=3856&group=alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys#3856

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:607:0:b0:3bf:de2b:1b69 with SMTP id d7-20020ac80607000000b003bfde2b1b69mr1312269qth.12.1677633790988;
Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:23:10 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a54:410d:0:b0:384:3e58:672a with SMTP id
l13-20020a54410d000000b003843e58672amr1605696oic.10.1677633790573; Tue, 28
Feb 2023 17:23:10 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:23:10 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <c73d6a07-5f2c-45d0-8cb7-9eee07fc0466n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=159.118.146.191; posting-account=gHkIgQoAAADjSNot643OoIpmbvzCVQjP
NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.118.146.191
References: <11614b45-4d52-4cd5-ab29-de48cf8a4aedn@googlegroups.com> <c73d6a07-5f2c-45d0-8cb7-9eee07fc0466n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <5ac09764-507c-4866-9ae8-0a8f7c4c3dc2n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Grass?
From: prohuman...@gmail.com (observer)
Injection-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2023 01:23:10 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 7358
 by: observer - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:23 UTC

Follow-up 2:

---
February 28 2023

Ex-NFL groundskeeper George Toma:
Super Bowl LVII field was overwatered
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35754546/ex-nfl-groundskeeper-george-toma-super-bowl-lvii-field-was-overwatered
---

George Toma, the longtime groundskeeper who
prepared and then advised the preparation of
every Super Bowl field, believes the issues that
plagued the field at Super Bowl LVII at State
Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, could have
been avoided.

The 94-year-old told ESPN that he believes the
field was overwatered in the days leading up to
the game. According to Toma, who has been
nicknamed The Sodfather, the field was wat-
ered the Wednesday morning before the game
& promptly rolled into the stadium on the ...

.... moveable tray that housed the grass field
for the last time before kickoff four days later.

Toma contended that the field should've been
watered in the morning and kept outside to dry
before being rolled in.

"So, what he does," Toma said, referring to Ed
Mangan, the NFL field director who was in
charge of the Super Bowl field and worked
under Toma for years, "he waters the hell out
of it and puts it right into the stadium and that's
it. Never sees sunlight again. He can't do that."

A tarp was laid over the field to protect it from
the rehearsals for the pregame, halftime and
postgame shows, Toma said, and that led to
the field emitting an odor. Toma said he was
told during the week that the field was starting
to decay and rot.

"It had a rotten smell," he said.

Toma also alleged that Mangan did not sand
the field enough.

"He sanded it two weeks too late," Toma said.
"He had only one sanding. He should have had
two or three sandings, but he didn't do s---. And
that was it. And not only that, he didn't take
care of it. He wouldn't listen to anybody."

Toma said he's not blaming rye grass for the
field's slickness, adding that he used rye grass
for 27 Super Bowls.

In a statement the day after the Super Bowl, the
NFL said: "The State Farm Stadium field surface
met the required standards for the maintenance
of natural surfaces, as per NFL policy. The natural
grass surface was tested throughout Super Bowl
week and was in compliance with all mandatory
NFL practices."

Super Bowl LVII was Toma's last. He retired after
more than 80 years in the groundskeeping busi-
ness. "I can't take it anymore," said Toma, who
said he hasn't been pleased with how the NFL
responded to field issues at Super Bowl sites in
the past.

"Me and the league are finished," Toma said. "They
can't tell me what to do anymore. We're done."

---

Comment:

The first article in this thread said they were using
Tahoma 31 bermuda grass so I'm in the dark as to
Toma's statement about rye grass. As for how Toma
was or wasn't involved in the decisions regarding ...

.... the Super Bowl 57 field problems, blaming Man-
gan for those, whomever made those decisions fell
short & perhaps Toma's explanation explains some
or most of the reasons why.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:17:06 PM UTC-6, observer wrote:

..> Follow-up:
..>
..> February 13 2023
..>
..> NFL shows off new way to waste
..> $800,000 with slippery field in Super Bowl
..> https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/nfl-shows-wastes-800-thousand-slippery-field-super-bowl/
..>
..> ... 800,000 American dollars can also be used
..> to engineer, grow and transport a terrible field
..> of grass for the Super Bowl.
..>
..> While the game itself was quite compelling, an
..> unfortunate side plot developed when several
..> players found themselves slipping on the turf.
..> The poor footing affected ball carriers, defen-
..> ders, touchdown scorers and kickers alike ... .
..>
..> Video of some of the plays in which
..> players slipped during the game:
..> https://twitter.com/i/status/1624952882486280192
..>
..> As the saying goes, "the best laid plans of mice
..> and men often go awry".
..> https://www.google.com/search?q=the+best+laid+plans+of+mice+and+men
..>
..> In 1785 Robert Burns wrote “The best laid plans
..> of mice and men often go awry”.
..>
..> ... "I'm not going to lie, it was the worst field that
..> I've ever played on," Eagles pass rusher Haason
..> Reddick said postgame.
..>
..> Comment: Put another way, the field, like the terri-
..> ble blown call by the most flag-throwing official in
..> the NFL over the last two years, was a disaster.
..>
..> Murphy's Law
..> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law
..>
..> "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:02:05 PM UTC-6, observer wrote:
/> .> February 11 2023
/> .> https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35625308/super-bowl-2023-experimental-grass
/> .>
/> .> The grass being used is Tahoma 31.
/> .> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tahoma+31%22
/> .>
/> .> The grass it replaced is Tifway 419.
/> .> https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tifway+419%22
/> .>
/> .> I'll let the article detail the whys & wherefores
/> .> of the supposed advantages of Tahoma 31
/> .> over Tifway 419.
/> .>
/> .> Myself, I'm clueless & here's an article about
/> .> stadiums with grass or turf (I presume turf is
/> .> codeword for artificial surface).
/> .> https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-stadiums-grass-or-turf/
/> .>
/> .> Type of grass in NFL stadiums:
/> .> https://www.google.com/search?q=type+of+grass+in+NFL+stadiums
/> .>
/> .> 16 NFL stadiums have real grass. 10 of them
/> .> have Bermuda grass, 3 have Kentucky blue-
/> .> grass, 2 have Desso Grassmaster, & 1 has a
/> .> combination of different grasses.
/> .>
/> .> \*---~---~---*/

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.8
clearnet tor