On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:58:38 PM UTC-4, Ken Olson wrote:
> On 10/11/2021 5:02 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 4:46:35 AM UTC-7, jimbr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Right. Iowa's SoS 10. Cinci's 87.
> >>
> >> Do you ever tire of saying dumn things?
> >
> > Then don't give Cincy anything, and relegate the entire Go5 to a different division.
> >
> > Either give them a goddamn shot at the title or tell them to fuck off.
> >
> > And wasn't the entire point of this playoff scenario to give the Go5 a title shot?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> The entire point was/is making more money.

He keeps saying the entire point of expanding the playoff to 4 was include the Group of 5, but there's no way 4 would include the Group of 5 most years.

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-7, Ken Olson wrote:

> The entire point was/is making more money.

So why are you wasting the money on the Slough-Off Bowl every year in the New Year's Six? That contradicts the argument.

Mike

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:

> He keeps saying the entire point of expanding the playoff to 4 was include the Group of 5, but there's no way 4 would include the Group of 5 most years.

Remember Boise-Oklahoma, and games similar in the BCS Era, where the announcers were all but baking into the cake that these games were the reason that the Boises, the non-Big XII TCUs, the pre-Pac-12 Utahs, etc. deserved a place at the table -- and the entire point of a playoff was to give them just that, a shot at the title?

And, since the CFP:

UCF, the most glaring case, and, in fact, TWICE. (Though the Committee had the Kenyon Martin out the second time after the injury to McKenzie.)

Western Michigan merited a shot in 2016-17, unless you wish to demote them to a lesser tier: They went 13-0, what else can they do? (And why would you give maximum effort if you know you got screwed? And that's a maxim which goes across both Go5 and P5 screwjobs in the BCS and CFP Eras... Remember a year Cal got screwed and told the Holiday Bowl to GFY in throwing the game.)

Last year, you could make a COVID case, but, at least to the games which were played: Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, AND San Jose State all did what they had to do in front of them.

Stop basically trying to play both ways -- maybe one of the best things about NIL and the future of what is left of college football is it will finally take this canard of a system (going all the way back to the Coalition and the Alliance) and blow it up.

Mike

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:56:59 AM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
>
> > He keeps saying the entire point of expanding the playoff to 4 was include the Group of 5, but there's no way 4 would include the Group of 5 most years.
> Remember Boise-Oklahoma, and games similar in the BCS Era, where the announcers were all but baking into the cake that these games were the reason that the Boises, the non-Big XII TCUs, the pre-Pac-12 Utahs, etc. deserved a place at the table -- and the entire point of a playoff was to give them just that, a shot at the title?
>
> And, since the CFP:
>
> UCF, the most glaring case, and, in fact, TWICE. (Though the Committee had the Kenyon Martin out the second time after the injury to McKenzie.)
>
> Western Michigan merited a shot in 2016-17, unless you wish to demote them to a lesser tier: They went 13-0, what else can they do? (And why would you give maximum effort if you know you got screwed? And that's a maxim which goes across both Go5 and P5 screwjobs in the BCS and CFP Eras... Remember a year Cal got screwed and told the Holiday Bowl to GFY in throwing the game.)
>
> Last year, you could make a COVID case, but, at least to the games which were played: Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, AND San Jose State all did what they had to do in front of them.
>
> Stop basically trying to play both ways -- maybe one of the best things about NIL and the future of what is left of college football is it will finally take this canard of a system (going all the way back to the Coalition and the Alliance) and blow it up.
>
> Mike

The Iowa's of the world deserve a shot too.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 2:56:59 AM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
>
> > He keeps saying the entire point of expanding the playoff to 4 was include the Group of 5, but there's no way 4 would include the Group of 5 most years.
> Remember Boise-Oklahoma, and games similar in the BCS Era,

Yes, the game between 8th ranked (BCS) / 10th ranked (AP) Boise State and 10th ranked (BCS) / 7th ranked Oklahoma (AP). It's the argument for why they should be in the NY6, but not why they should be one of the top 4. A last second win against another team that wouldn't have been in the CFP that year.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:42:17 AM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:

> Yes, the game between 8th ranked (BCS) / 10th ranked (AP) Boise State and 10th ranked (BCS) / 7th ranked Oklahoma (AP). It's the argument for why they should be in the NY6, but not why they should be one of the top 4. A last second win against another team that wouldn't have been in the CFP that year.

Deliberate effort to keep them out.

One of the years, ESPN told the BCS that Boise was #1 the week before the official rankings started so they could recalibrate them out.

Mike