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* RSFC Investment CornerRSFC Moderator
+* Re: RSFC Investment CornerMichael Falkner
|`- Re: RSFC Investment CornerKen Olson
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|   `* Re: RSFC Investment CornerCon Reeder, unhyphenated American
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I feel like Vizzini when I wonder where to invest.

The market's PE ratio is high and momentum is down, so I can clearly not choose the market.

Interest rates are rising, so I can clearly not choose long term bonds.

Inflation is high, so I can clearly not choose cash.

The US is a safe haven in times of trouble, so I can clearly not choose to go international.

Interest rates are rising, which will depress real estate, so I can clearly not choose that.

Gold returns nothing, so I can clearly not choose that.

Money markets are basically cash, so I can clearly not choose that.

Cryptocoins feel like the second classic blunder--- don't put your money in a Ponzi scheme.

What's left? Commodities? Beans and ammo? Mattresses?

-rsfcm

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Beans and ammo.

Mike (Regardless of which side you are on politically.)

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 by: xyzzy - Wed, 4 May 2022 21:23 UTC

RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel like Vizzini when I wonder where to invest.
>
> The market's PE ratio is high and momentum is down, so I can clearly not choose the market.
>
> Interest rates are rising, so I can clearly not choose long term bonds.
>
> Inflation is high, so I can clearly not choose cash.
>
> The US is a safe haven in times of trouble, so I can clearly not choose
> to go international.
>
> Interest rates are rising, which will depress real estate, so I can
> clearly not choose that.
>
> Gold returns nothing, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Money markets are basically cash, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Cryptocoins feel like the second classic blunder--- don't put your money in a Ponzi scheme.
>
> What's left? Commodities? Beans and ammo? Mattresses?
>
> -rsfcm
>

I-bonds?

--
“I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian,
liberal personality.” — Altie

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 by: Michael Falkner - Wed, 4 May 2022 21:33 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:

> I-bonds?

Maybe I'm wrong here: But are those the crypto-based bonds I'm now seeing advertised?

Mike

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 by: Ken Olson - Wed, 4 May 2022 22:05 UTC

On 5/4/2022 4:52 PM, Michael Falkner wrote:
> Beans and ammo.
>
> Mike (Regardless of which side you are on politically.)

Always a good choice. .22 Long Rifle cartridges will always be a good
barter item. Canned food or MRE type s good, too. I ate WWII C-rations
that were 40 years old and while not haute cuisine, they were edible.

--
ÄLSKAR - Fänga Dagen

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Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
>
>> I-bonds?
>
> Maybe I'm wrong here: But are those the crypto-based bonds I'm now seeing advertised?
>
> Mike
>

No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.

--
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liberal personality.” — Altie

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 by: Michael Falkner - Thu, 5 May 2022 00:32 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:23:51 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:

> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.

TIL. As I said, I might have been wrong.

Mike

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 by: Con Reeder, unhyphen - Thu, 5 May 2022 02:44 UTC

On 2022-05-04, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel like Vizzini when I wonder where to invest.
>
> The market's PE ratio is high and momentum is down, so I can clearly not choose the market.
>
> Interest rates are rising, so I can clearly not choose long term bonds.
>
> Inflation is high, so I can clearly not choose cash.
>
> The US is a safe haven in times of trouble, so I can clearly not choose to go international.
>
> Interest rates are rising, which will depress real estate, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Gold returns nothing, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Money markets are basically cash, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Cryptocoins feel like the second classic blunder--- don't put your money in a Ponzi scheme.
>
> What's left? Commodities? Beans and ammo? Mattresses?
>

A combination of all of the above is what I've gone with.

--
"Systemic Racism' is such a perfect Marxist formulation. It
delegitimizes and entire society without blaming anyone in particular,
so it generates little opposition. It signifies everything and nothing
simultaneously. It can't be proven or disproven. It's genius
propaganda. -- Noah Pollak

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 by: RSFC Moderator - Thu, 5 May 2022 15:46 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
> >
> >> I-bonds?
> >
> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.

I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.

Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.

-rsfcm

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 by: RSFC Moderator - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:08 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 10:44:37 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2022-05-04, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I feel like Vizzini when I wonder where to invest.
> >
> > The market's PE ratio is high and momentum is down, so I can clearly not choose the market.
> >
> > Interest rates are rising, so I can clearly not choose long term bonds.
> >
> > Inflation is high, so I can clearly not choose cash.
> >
> > The US is a safe haven in times of trouble, so I can clearly not choose to go international.
> >
> > Interest rates are rising, which will depress real estate, so I can clearly not choose that.
> >
> > Gold returns nothing, so I can clearly not choose that.
> >
> > Money markets are basically cash, so I can clearly not choose that.
> >
> > Cryptocoins feel like the second classic blunder--- don't put your money in a Ponzi scheme.
> >
> > What's left? Commodities? Beans and ammo? Mattresses?
> >
> A combination of all of the above is what I've gone with.

Me too, with the market share shaded towards Value.

-rsfcm

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 by: Con Reeder, unhyphen - Thu, 5 May 2022 20:09 UTC

On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
>> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
>> >
>> >> I-bonds?
>> >
>> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.
>
> I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.
>
> Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.
>

You might want to offload that task to a bond fund. Making money in
bonds is difficult in a rising interest rate environment. You'll pay
some management fees, of course, but it should be worth it.

If it were a stable or dropping interest rate environment, you do well
to buy good quality corporates or municipals. But at the moment, look out
below.

--
Life isn't fair, but it's good. -- Regina Brett

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 by: Con Reeder, unhyphen - Thu, 5 May 2022 20:11 UTC

On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 10:44:37 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2022-05-04, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I feel like Vizzini when I wonder where to invest.
>> >
>> > The market's PE ratio is high and momentum is down, so I can clearly not choose the market.
>> >
>> > Interest rates are rising, so I can clearly not choose long term bonds.
>> >
>> > Inflation is high, so I can clearly not choose cash.
>> >
>> > The US is a safe haven in times of trouble, so I can clearly not choose to go international.
>> >
>> > Interest rates are rising, which will depress real estate, so I can clearly not choose that.
>> >
>> > Gold returns nothing, so I can clearly not choose that.
>> >
>> > Money markets are basically cash, so I can clearly not choose that.
>> >
>> > Cryptocoins feel like the second classic blunder--- don't put your money in a Ponzi scheme.
>> >
>> > What's left? Commodities? Beans and ammo? Mattresses?
>> >
>> A combination of all of the above is what I've gone with.
>
> Me too, with the market share shaded towards Value.
>

Great minds think alike. I have been doing well in everything except my pathetic
attempts to buy bonds. I gave that up and have brought in some advisors for part
of my portfolio. It's going to be hard to avoid blaming them for the debacle that
is the last few days, but I'll have my own half of the holdings to make me humble.

--
Life isn't fair, but it's good. -- Regina Brett

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> >> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I-bonds?
> >> >
> >> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.
> >
> > I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.
> >
> > Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.
> >
> You might want to offload that task to a bond fund. Making money in
> bonds is difficult in a rising interest rate environment. You'll pay
> some management fees, of course, but it should be worth it.
>
> If it were a stable or dropping interest rate environment, you do well
> to buy good quality corporates or municipals. But at the moment, look out
> below.

I hear what you are saying, but I-Bonds are a special thing, not a normal bond market thing.

See, for instance: https://themoneyninja.com/i-bonds-rates/

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 by: Con Reeder, unhyphen - Thu, 5 May 2022 23:22 UTC

On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
>> >> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I-bonds?
>> >> >
>> >> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.
>> >
>> > I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.
>> >
>> > Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.
>> >
>> You might want to offload that task to a bond fund. Making money in
>> bonds is difficult in a rising interest rate environment. You'll pay
>> some management fees, of course, but it should be worth it.
>>
>> If it were a stable or dropping interest rate environment, you do well
>> to buy good quality corporates or municipals. But at the moment, look out
>> below.
>
> I hear what you are saying, but I-Bonds are a special thing, not a normal bond market thing.
>
> See, for instance: https://themoneyninja.com/i-bonds-rates/

I have a few of those, too, but you're only allowed to purchase so many.

--
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it. -- anonymous

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Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
>>>>> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I-bonds?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.
>>>>
>>>> I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting
>>>> on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.
>>>>
>>>> Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.
>>>>
>>> You might want to offload that task to a bond fund. Making money in
>>> bonds is difficult in a rising interest rate environment. You'll pay
>>> some management fees, of course, but it should be worth it.
>>>
>>> If it were a stable or dropping interest rate environment, you do well
>>> to buy good quality corporates or municipals. But at the moment, look out
>>> below.
>>
>> I hear what you are saying, but I-Bonds are a special thing, not a
>> normal bond market thing.
>>
>> See, for instance: https://themoneyninja.com/i-bonds-rates/
>
> I have a few of those, too, but you're only allowed to purchase so many.
>

$10k per person per year

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liberal personality.” — Altie

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 by: RoddyMcCorley - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:54 UTC

On 5/4/2022 4:06 PM, RSFC Moderator wrote:
> I feel like Vizzini when I wonder where to invest.
>
> The market's PE ratio is high and momentum is down, so I can clearly not choose the market.
>
> Interest rates are rising, so I can clearly not choose long term bonds.
>
> Inflation is high, so I can clearly not choose cash.
>
> The US is a safe haven in times of trouble, so I can clearly not choose to go international.
>
> Interest rates are rising, which will depress real estate, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Gold returns nothing, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Money markets are basically cash, so I can clearly not choose that.
>
> Cryptocoins feel like the second classic blunder--- don't put your money in a Ponzi scheme.
>
> What's left? Commodities? Beans and ammo? Mattresses?
>
> -rsfcm

Quality dividend play ETFs?

Inflation protected bonds? (Of which I know little)

Personally, I like to keep some money on the sidelines so when we have
volatility like this I can buy on the cheap.

--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

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On Thu, 5 May 2022 16:12:53 -0700 (PDT), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
>> >> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I-bonds?
>> >> >
>> >> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.
>> >
>> > I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.
>> >
>> > Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.
>> >
>> You might want to offload that task to a bond fund. Making money in
>> bonds is difficult in a rising interest rate environment. You'll pay
>> some management fees, of course, but it should be worth it.
>>
>> If it were a stable or dropping interest rate environment, you do well
>> to buy good quality corporates or municipals. But at the moment, look out
>> below.
>
>I hear what you are saying, but I-Bonds are a special thing, not a normal bond market thing.
>
>See, for instance: https://themoneyninja.com/i-bonds-rates/

Why would you not consider TIPS instead?

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-4, j...@mich.com wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 16:12:53 -0700 (PDT), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> >> On 2022-05-05, RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:
> >> >> Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-7, xyzzy wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I-bonds?
> >> >> >
> >> >> No. US government bonds whose yield is tied to inflation.
> >> >
> >> > I Bonds are a good idea--- a good return and rather safer than betting on Jaxon Smith-Njigba to win the hypesman.
> >> >
> >> > Will buy some for me and Mrs Moderator. Thanks.
> >> >
> >> You might want to offload that task to a bond fund. Making money in
> >> bonds is difficult in a rising interest rate environment. You'll pay
> >> some management fees, of course, but it should be worth it.
> >>
> >> If it were a stable or dropping interest rate environment, you do well
> >> to buy good quality corporates or municipals. But at the moment, look out
> >> below.
> >
> >I hear what you are saying, but I-Bonds are a special thing, not a normal bond market thing.
> >
> >See, for instance: https://themoneyninja.com/i-bonds-rates/
> Why would you not consider TIPS instead?

You would, they are similar in some ways. With I-Bonds all income is tax deferred and never state taxable and, right at the moment, we know that the current interest rate is very high (8.37%). OTOH, TIPS pay a coupon (which might be nice) and you can buy unlimited amounts. TIPS have unfavorable tax treatment of the inflation adjustments (so are often held in a 401k or IRA). TIPS are tradable, so you can make/lose money if you sell before maturity.

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