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So does Poland get a free ride to the final match against Czechia or Sweden?

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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Mon, 28 Feb 2022 23:11 UTC

Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :

> Russia OUT

Absolutely scandalous !

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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :
>
> > Russia OUT
>
> Absolutely scandalous !

I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?

Slippery slope for sure.

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 by: Krishna Raja Nadar - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 19:40 UTC

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-6, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :
> >
> > > Russia OUT
> >
> > Absolutely scandalous !
> I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?
>
> Slippery slope for sure.
They will all be banned when they invade another country.

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 by: Al Kamista - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 19:50 UTC

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:40:08 PM UTC-5, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-6, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > > Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :
> > >
> > > > Russia OUT
> > >
> > > Absolutely scandalous !
> > I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?
> >
> > Slippery slope for sure.
> They will all be banned when they invade another country.

Did not happen in 2003.

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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:18 UTC

Al Kamista vient de nous annoncer :
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion
> martin - GdBx wrote:
>> Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :
>>
>>> Russia OUT
>>
>> Absolutely scandalous !
>
> I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has
> caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
> invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be
> also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its
> apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
> their illegal invasion of Iraq?

If you ban Russia for what happens now, yes, you should ban
Saudi Arabia, Israël and you should have banned UK and US (and
even France, too).

Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics. Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.

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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:18 UTC

Al Kamista vient de nous annoncer :
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:40:08 PM UTC-5, Krishna Raja
> Nadar wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-6,
>> alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion
>>> martin - GdBx wrote:
>>>> Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :
>>>>
>>>>> Russia OUT
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely scandalous !
>>> I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has
>>> caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
>>> invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be
>>> also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its
>>> apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
>>> their illegal invasion of Iraq?
>>>
>>> Slippery slope for sure.
>> They will all be banned when they invade another country.
>
> Did not happen in 2003.

Incredible !

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 by: Blueshirt - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:23 UTC

Al Kamista wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx
> wrote:
> > Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimé avec précision :
> >
> > > Russia OUT
> >
> > Absolutely scandalous !
>
> I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to
> the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion.

Thank fuck for common sense that they did! It's a pity FIFA had to
follow, as opposed to lead, in the current situation. But that's always
the way with big organisations like FIFA isn't it?

Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything. Putin is a madman.

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 by: Blueshirt - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:30 UTC

ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
>
> Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do politics.

It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people dying.
You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions lead to a large
scale war in Europe.

> Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.

Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the game?

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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:37 UTC

Blueshirt a formulé la demande :
> ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
>>
>> Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
>> politics.
>
> It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people
> dying.

Oh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are
not innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ?
Palestinian people do not count because Jewish suffered in the
past ?

How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?

> You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions
> lead to a large scale war in Europe.

Whether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.

>
>> Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
>
> Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the
> game?

Yes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say
that. But seeing Infantino...

--
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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:37 UTC

Blueshirt a exprimé avec précision :

> Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.

Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?

--
Ixion

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 by: Blueshirt - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 07:40 UTC

ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

> Blueshirt a formulé la demande :
> > ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > >
> > > Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
> > > politics.
> >
> > It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people dying.
>
> Oh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are not
> innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ? Palestinian
> people do not count because Jewish suffered in the past ?
>
> How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not consider
> just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ? Just because
> Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?

The USA are certainly not angels! You are not wrong with your
comparisons, but here now in 2022 with what is going on in Ukraine, the
sanctions and bans are pretty much the only deterrent they have.
Clearly NATO does not want to trigger a full scale war.

> > You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions lead to a
> > large scale war in Europe.
>
> Whether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.

Of course, there is a larger discussion around what you've mentioned
though. Probably for other - more politically orientate - newsgroups.
But the fact is the events in Ukraine really could lead to a larger war
in Europe. Not letting their football team play is a small issue in the
bigger picture, but IMP, morally right.

> > > Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
> >
> > Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the game?
>
> Yes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say that.
> But seeing Infantino...

Exactly!

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 by: Blueshirt - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 07:40 UTC

ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

> Blueshirt a exprimé avec précision :
>
> > Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
>
> Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?

Well, the the club I support is owned by a Russian, so that is
obviously not the case! Sanctions against Russia and Russian people
could well have a knock-on effect to my football team and their future
business.

But it's the right thing to do while the current situation is ongoing.

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 by: Ion Saliu - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:47 UTC

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:37:08 AM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> Blueshirt a formulé la demande :
> > ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> >>
> >> Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
> >> politics.
> >
> > It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people
> > dying.
> Oh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are
> not innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ?
> Palestinian people do not count because Jewish suffered in the
> past ?
>
> How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
> consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
> Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?
> > You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions
> > lead to a large scale war in Europe.
> Whether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.
> >
> >> Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
> >
> > Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the
> > game?
> Yes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say
> that. But seeing Infantino...
>
> --
> Ixion

BOYCOTT UEFA, FIFA, ALL SPORTS BODIES THAT HAVE EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM THEIR COMPETITIONS!

Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici et al.:

Allow me to make a few generalized remarks.

1. Sports should always be FREE of politics. Otherwise, sport is just a “slave” of the ruling political bodies. To be sure, the most compelling example was the Soviet Union.

USSR used sports as a blinding beam of propaganda. But USA has done the same thing, but in a far more sophisticated manner.

2. And this is my second point: SOPHISTICATION. The Americans are masters in PR (public relations). PR is so sophisticated that the US government is always right, no matter what.

To those authors in this grandiose thread: The United States HAS NEVER INVADED ANY COUNTRY — EVER. The USA has always been authorized by the United Nations to intervene in some regions of the globe in order to establish peace. Go back to Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II — The United Nations almost implored USA to intervene and establish peace and order.

On the other hand (the “left” one), USSR and the offspring Russia have never gone to the United Nations and ask for authorization to intervene militarily in some geopolitical places. Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, Poland 1980, Afghanistan 1979, Georgia 2008, Crimea 2014, Donbas 2022... All those interventions were strongly condemned by the West and, implicitly, the United Nations. Had USSR/Russia asked for authorization, the UNO would have rejected the requests.

I strongly oppose the interference of politics in sports. I only think now of the Olympic Games. They would be of no interest to me. The Olympics would be ugly, non-competitive without Russia. I did hate the Soviets in sports, especially because they always back-handed the Romanian sports, gymnastics especially.

Therefore, I would boycott all sports that excluded Russia from under their umbrellas. I plea with each and everyone in this grandiose community to do the same. First, boycott UEFA, boycott FIFA! Let them know your opinion in an email or two.

I am not pro-Putin, pro-Trump, pro-Biden. Au contraire, I leveled serious criticism at them:

https://saliu.com/oppressors-turncoats.html
• About-Face, Turncoats: Oppressors, Profiteers in Politics, Social Life

https://forums.saliu.com/armageddon-jesus-trump.html
• Donald Trump, Armageddon: Jesus, Second Coming

https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/posts/10159682693029049
• Let Donbas go to Russia to avoid a human far-larger disaster, including nuclear annihilation of Terra

“Biden, Biden, bully bison,
Putin, Putin, you are lootin'!”

Ion Saliu
Founder of Mathematical Axiomaticism
https://saliu.com/axiomatic.html
• Axiomatic: An Essay on Axiomaticism, Undeniable Truthfulness as Highest Human Quality.

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Le mercredi 2 mars 2022 à 11:47:46 UTC+1, ions...@gmail.com a écrit :
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:37:08 AM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > Blueshirt a formulé la demande :
> > > ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
> > >> politics.
> > >
> > > It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people
> > > dying.
> > Oh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are
> > not innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ?
> > Palestinian people do not count because Jewish suffered in the
> > past ?
> >
> > How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
> > consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
> > Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?
> > > You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions
> > > lead to a large scale war in Europe.
> > Whether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.
> > >
> > >> Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
> > >
> > > Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the
> > > game?
> > Yes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say
> > that. But seeing Infantino...
> >
> > --
> > Ixion
> BOYCOTT UEFA, FIFA, ALL SPORTS BODIES THAT HAVE EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM THEIR COMPETITIONS!
>
> Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici et al.:
>
> Allow me to make a few generalized remarks.
>
> 1. Sports should always be FREE of politics. Otherwise, sport is just a “slave” of the ruling political bodies. To be sure, the most compelling example was the Soviet Union.
>
> USSR used sports as a blinding beam of propaganda. But USA has done the same thing, but in a far more sophisticated manner.
>
> 2. And this is my second point: SOPHISTICATION. The Americans are masters in PR (public relations). PR is so sophisticated that the US government is always right, no matter what.
>
> To those authors in this grandiose thread: The United States HAS NEVER INVADED ANY COUNTRY — EVER. The USA has always been authorized by the United Nations to intervene in some regions of the globe in order to establish peace. Go back to Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II — The United Nations almost implored USA to intervene and establish peace and order.
>
> On the other hand (the “left” one), USSR and the offspring Russia have never gone to the United Nations and ask for authorization to intervene militarily in some geopolitical places. Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, Poland 1980, Afghanistan 1979, Georgia 2008, Crimea 2014, Donbas 2022.... All those interventions were strongly condemned by the West and, implicitly, the United Nations. Had USSR/Russia asked for authorization, the UNO would have rejected the requests.
>
> I strongly oppose the interference of politics in sports. I only think now of the Olympic Games. They would be of no interest to me. The Olympics would be ugly, non-competitive without Russia. I did hate the Soviets in sports, especially because they always back-handed the Romanian sports, gymnastics especially.
>
> Therefore, I would boycott all sports that excluded Russia from under their umbrellas. I plea with each and everyone in this grandiose community to do the same. First, boycott UEFA, boycott FIFA! Let them know your opinion in an email or two.
>
> I am not pro-Putin, pro-Trump, pro-Biden. Au contraire, I leveled serious criticism at them:
>
> • https://saliu.com/oppressors-turncoats.html
> • About-Face, Turncoats: Oppressors, Profiteers in Politics, Social Life
>
> • https://forums.saliu.com/armageddon-jesus-trump.html
> • Donald Trump, Armageddon: Jesus, Second Coming
>
> • https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/posts/10159682693029049
> • Let Donbas go to Russia to avoid a human far-larger disaster, including nuclear annihilation of Terra
>
> “Biden, Biden, bully bison,
> Putin, Putin, you are lootin'!”
>
>
> Ion Saliu
> Founder of Mathematical Axiomaticism
> • https://saliu.com/axiomatic.html
> • Axiomatic: An Essay on Axiomaticism, Undeniable Truthfulness as Highest Human Quality.
The sports should stay away of the politics problems

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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-8, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:
> So does Poland get a free ride to the final match against Czechia or Sweden?

I'm assuming yes. Lemme look for something:

Stupidly enough, UEFA's website mentions nothing of the ramification, though they do give the announcement.

The match is scheduled for March 24th -- if, by a certain date before then, they are not reinstated, then Poland does get the free ride, I would assume.

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Let me be clear on one thing:

If this goes where I think it's going, that we won't be having a Qatar 2022 in November and December will be the LEAST of our problems.

Mike

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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:12:59 AM UTC-8, free.iptv...@gmail.com wrote:

> The sports should stay away of the politics problems

Hahahahahahaha...

In fact, Russia is the third country in a week to be thrown out of FIFA competitions. Zimbabwe and Kenya got the boot last week for governmental interference.

Mike

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 by: Bruce Scott - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:15 UTC

On 2022-03-01, Al Kamista <alkamista@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did not happen in 2003.

There is more of a consensus now. Look at the Euro reaction then,
with France and Germany providing meek opposition but almost all of
the East Euros in the plus camp. Forward 20 years, and the regime
change delusion is really bearing some bad fruit, as some did predict
at the time. Fact is, too many were all too happy to encourage us to
take out the Baath, not least Iran, who were very happy to have the
USA do their dirty work for them.

I hope this nonsense is well and truly discredited now, and not just a
matter of what about them what about them for whoever wants to bash
something.

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 by: Bruce Scott - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:20 UTC

On 2022-03-01, ixion martin - GdBx <ixion@martin.invalid> wrote:
>
> How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
> consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
> Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?

Not many Euros did but I sure did. I was not alone in advocating
keeping our international conferences out of the US, not least due to
our visa policies, until we got back to international norms. But
enough of "everybody" caved, and the international fusion energy
conference went back there in 2012... our lobbying is strong.

MH and Daniele can tell us how it was in their fields.

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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:18 UTC

Blueshirt a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
> ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
>
>> Blueshirt a exprimé avec précision :
>>
>>> Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
>>
>> Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?
>
> Well, the the club I support is owned by a Russian, so that
> is obviously not the case! Sanctions against Russia and
> Russian people could well have a knock-on effect to my
> football team and their future business.
>
> But it's the right thing to do while the current situation is
> ongoing.

Why not ?

But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some
people will consider that a part is the good one and other
people will consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA,
if they want to gather all countries in the World, to judge
what is good and what is bad ?

I can be the devil's advocate and give some arguments to prove
that Russia attitude has legitimacy and that Ukrain is the dark
side. Off course you will say me I am a liar or that my
arguments are not good, but it is not the purpose.

And if your ultimate argument is to say that things changed
since 2003 (why not, after all) then you have to :
- ban Saudi Arabia for their actions in Yemen,
- ban Qatar for funding ISIS,
- ban Israel for abusing Palestinian,
- ban China for abusing Ouighours,
- ban Ethiopia for killing people of Tigre,
- ban Ukrain for killing people in Donbass,
(and I surely forget other).

If you only ban Russia (or moreover Belarus), it is ideology.

--
Ixion

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 by: ixion martin - GdBx - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:21 UTC

Il se trouve que Michael Falkner a formulé :
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-8, Krishna
> Raja Nadar wrote:
>> So does Poland get a free ride to the final match against
>> Czechia or Sweden?
>
> I'm assuming yes. Lemme look for something:
>
> Stupidly enough, UEFA's website mentions nothing of the
> ramification, though they do give the announcement.
>
> The match is scheduled for March 24th -- if, by a certain
> date before then, they are not reinstated, then Poland does
> get the free ride, I would assume.

UEFA should draft the next admissible team in the Nations
League so Hungary if I am not wrong.

--
Ixion

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 by: Ion Saliu - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 16:57 UTC

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 5:18:21 PM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> Blueshirt a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
> > ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
> >
> >> Blueshirt a exprimé avec précision :
> >>
> >>> Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
> >>
> >> Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?
> >
> > Well, the the club I support is owned by a Russian, so that
> > is obviously not the case! Sanctions against Russia and
> > Russian people could well have a knock-on effect to my
> > football team and their future business.
> >
> > But it's the right thing to do while the current situation is
> > ongoing.
> Why not ?
>
> But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some
> people will consider that a part is the good one and other
> people will consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA,
> if they want to gather all countries in the World, to judge
> what is good and what is bad ?
>
D’accord, l’axiomatique!

> I can be the devil's advocate and give some arguments to prove
> that Russia attitude has legitimacy and that Ukrain is the dark
> side. Off course you will say me I am a liar or that my
> arguments are not good, but it is not the purpose.
>
The ultra-liberal media under the CNN umbrella demonizes the Russians while sanctifying the Ukrainians. I just saw a report on CNN virtually blaming the Russians for the massacre at Babi Yar in 1943.

Unfortunately, the horrific event that took place in Ukraine was done by fewer SS troops than civilian Ukrainians. Many Christian Ukrainians participated in the massacre of more than 30,000 Ukrainian Jews.
You might want to watch the TV miniseries “Holocaust” (starring a young Meryl Streep).

> And if your ultimate argument is to say that things changed
> since 2003 (why not, after all) then you have to :
> - ban Saudi Arabia for their actions in Yemen,
> - ban Qatar for funding ISIS,
> - ban Israel for abusing Palestinian,
> - ban China for abusing Ouighours,
> - ban Ethiopia for killing people of Tigre,
> - ban Ukrain for killing people in Donbass,
> (and I surely forget other).
>
> If you only ban Russia (or moreover Belarus), it is ideology.
>
D’accord, le copain! Better still, the sport governing bodies must stop banning as a manner of arse-licking Politics.

> --
> Ixion

Ion Saliu (royalty name: Parpaluck; every human, not only Boris Johnson, deserves a royalty-name and should boast one)

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 by: Ion Saliu - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:36 UTC

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:57:31 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:

> The ultra-liberal media under the CNN umbrella demonizes the Russians while sanctifying the Ukrainians. I just saw a report on CNN virtually blaming the Russians for the massacre at Babi Yar in 1943.
>

Correction -
29–30 September 1941.

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 by: Michael Falkner - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:04 UTC

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 7:21:34 AM UTC-8, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

> UEFA should draft the next admissible team in the Nations
> League so Hungary if I am not wrong.

That would have to be done quickly to allow for the assemblage of the squad.

Mike

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