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* Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
+- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
+* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesWerner Pichler
|`- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
`* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesanders t
 +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
 +* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
 |`* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
 | `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
 |  `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
 |   `- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
 `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesAmmammata
  `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   +* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |`* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   | `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |  `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |   `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |    `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
   |     `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |      `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |       `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |        +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |        `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |         `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |          `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |           +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |           `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |            `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- TRe: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJesus Petry
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesMark
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJesus Petry
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLléo
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesWerner Pichler
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesWerner Pichler
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesWerner Pichler
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesWerner Pichler
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesFutbolmetrix
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesWerner Pichler
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesMark
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLléo
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesLaura Camacho
   |             +- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJuan B
   |             `- Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesSteve Flanagan
   `* Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matchesJesus Petry

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 by: Laura Camacho - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:42 UTC

El viernes, 22 de octubre de 2021 a las 11:08:31 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> El miércoles, 20 de octubre de 2021 a las 4:12:58 UTC+2, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > El lunes, 11 de octubre de 2021 a las 15:18:42 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > > Laura,
> > >
> > > As far as I understand, just the ones allowed to be substitutes.
> > Team,
> >
> > So, the latest we have pending are those 4 games from 1970 plus most of 1994, correct?
> Yes, correct.

I think we will be stuck with those four from 1970 for a while.

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El viernes, 22 de octubre de 2021 a las 12:42:08 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> El viernes, 22 de octubre de 2021 a las 11:08:31 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > El miércoles, 20 de octubre de 2021 a las 4:12:58 UTC+2, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > > El lunes, 11 de octubre de 2021 a las 15:18:42 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > > > Laura,
> > > >
> > > > As far as I understand, just the ones allowed to be substitutes.
> > > Team,
> > >
> > > So, the latest we have pending are those 4 games from 1970 plus most of 1994, correct?
> > Yes, correct.
> I think we will be stuck with those four from 1970 for a while.

I have been checking Corriere de la Sera for 1994. For some strange reason, the day before a game, they published what they predicted would be the starting line-up and the subs. However, the day after, when the actual game's summary was supposed to be printed, they only showed the starters and the players who came on as subsitutes.

I will keep you posted.

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Thanks!

I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/

As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.

Thanks

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El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> Thanks!
>
> I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
>
> As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
>
> Thanks

Still no success. :/

I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
Hope that everything's ok.

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Subject: Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matches
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 by: Laura Camacho - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:31 UTC

El martes, 16 de noviembre de 2021 a las 16:55:53 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> > Thanks!
> >
> > I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
> >
> > As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
> >
> > Thanks
> Still no success. :/
>
> I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
> He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
> Hope that everything's ok.

Me neither. The Corriere provides excellent information the day before but nothing good on the day of the game or the day after. They show the tentative bench on the article the day before but do not confirm it after the day was played.

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 by: Laura Camacho - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:51 UTC

El miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2021 a las 10:31:28 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> El martes, 16 de noviembre de 2021 a las 16:55:53 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
> > >
> > > As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > Still no success. :/
> >
> > I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
> > He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
> > Hope that everything's ok.
> Me neither. The Corriere provides excellent information the day before but nothing good on the day of the game or the day after. They show the tentative bench on the article the day before but do not confirm it after the day was played.

Team, I recently changed jobs so I have not been able to work on this. As of last tally, we have 1994 pending and three games from 1970, correct? Has anyone made any headway on this?

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From: steve.fl...@gmail.com (Steve Flanagan)
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 by: Steve Flanagan - Tue, 17 May 2022 11:12 UTC

On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 12:51:12 UTC, Laura Camacho wrote:
> El miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2021 a las 10:31:28 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > El martes, 16 de noviembre de 2021 a las 16:55:53 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > > El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
> > > >
> > > > As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > Still no success. :/
> > >
> > > I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
> > > He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
> > > Hope that everything's ok.
> > Me neither. The Corriere provides excellent information the day before but nothing good on the day of the game or the day after. They show the tentative bench on the article the day before but do not confirm it after the day was played.
> Team, I recently changed jobs so I have not been able to work on this. As of last tally, we have 1994 pending and three games from 1970, correct? Has anyone made any headway on this?

Good afternoon everyone

Apologies for being out of the loop on this for a while (new job, other stuff going on, etc), so it fell quite a way down my list of priorities.

I have managed to find the substitutes list for the Romania - Czechoslovakia match in 1970 (via the Rude Pravo newspaper)

ROM: 1-Raducanu, 6-Coe, 13-Deleanu, 14-Gergely, 17-Tataru
CZE: 10-Adamec, 12-Pivarnik, 13-Flesar, 16-Hrdlicka, 18-Vesely

That now leaves just 3 matches from 1970 (or 2.5 as we have the Swedish substitutes in their match against Israel).

Group One
Belgium v El Salvador (Polleunis [BEL] and Cortes + Semeno [ELS] were the used substitutes)
Soviet Union v Belgium (Lovchev + Kiselyov [URS] were the used substitutes, Belgium made no substitutions)

Group Two
Sweden v Israel (Shuruk was the used substitute for Israel, and we know all of the Swedish subs: 13-Cronqvistm, 14-Kristensson, 17-Pettersson, 19-Nicklasson, 22-Palsson)

As for 1994, I have the following unknowns:

SUI v USA: 18-Rueda [SUI]
BRA v RUS: 11-Beschastnykh [RUS]
KOR v ESP: 3-Lee Jong-hwa [KOR]

My 1994 list of non-substitutes is as follows (suspended indicates a suspension by FIFA for 2 YC or RC (including suspensions carried over from qualifying) and not a suspension by their individual FA [e.g. Effenberg])

Group A
Colombia: 8-Lozano (v USA)
Romania: 9-Raducioiu (v Argentina - suspended), 16-Vladoiu (v USA, Argentina, Sweden - all suspended)
Switzerland: none (possibly Rueda v USA as above)
USA: 6-Harkes (v Brazil - suspended)

Group B
Brazil: 16-Leonardo (v Netherlands, Sweden, Italy - all suspended), 16-Paulo Sergio v USA
Cameroon: 1-Bell (v Russia), 3-Song (v Russia - suspended)
Russia: 3-Gorlukovich (v Cameroon - suspended), 18-Onopko (v Brazil - suspended), possibly 11-Beschastnykh (v Brazil as above)
Sweden: 5-Ljung (v Bulgaria - suspended), 6-Schwarz (v Brazil [SF] - suspended), 9-Thern (v Bulgaria - suspended), 10-Dahlin (v Brazil [Group match] - suspended)

Group C
Bolivia: 2-Pena (v Germany, South Korea - all suspended), Etcheverry (v South Korea, Spain - all suspended), 16-Cristaldo (v Spain - suspended), 22-Baldivieso (v Spain - suspended)
Germany: 20-Effenberg (v Belgium, Bulgaria), 21-Basler (v Bulgaria - suspended)
South Korea: none (possibly Lee Jonh-hwa as above)
Spain: 1-Zubizarreta (v South Korea - suspended), 4-Camarasa (v Italy), 15-Caminero (v Switzerland - suspended), 18-Alkorta (v Bolivia), 20-Nadal (v Germany, Bolivia - all suspended)

Group D
Argentina: 10-Maradona (v Bulgaria, Romania - all suspended)
Bulgaria: 2-Kremenliev (v Germany - suspended), 3-Ivanov + 4-Tsvetanov + 6-Yankov (all three v Mexico - suspended)
Greece: 16-Alexoudis + 18-Karataidis (both v Nigeria)
Nigeria: none

Group E
Italy: 1-Pagliuca (v Mexico, Nigeria - all suspended), 4-Costacurta (v Brazil - suspended), 6-Baresi (v Mexico, Nigeria, Spain, Bulgaria), 9-Tassotti (v Mexico and suspended v Bulgaria, Brazil), 21-Zola (v Spain, Bulgaria - all suspended)
Mexico: 8-Aspe (v Norway - suspended), 9-Sanchez (v Italy), 14-Del Olmo (v Bulgaria - suspended)
Norway: 18-Haland (v Ireland - suspended)
Ireland: 2-Irwin + 3-Phelan (both v Norway - suspended)

Group F
Belgium: 4-Albert (v Morocco - suspended)
Morocco: 6-Naybet (v Saudi Arabia - suspended)
Netherlands: 6-Wouters (v Ireland - suspended), 21-De Wolf (all matches - suffered a calf injury during a practice session the day before Netherlands opening match)
Saudi Arabia: 6-Amin (v Belgium - suspended)

Regards

Steve Flanagan

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 by: Laura Camacho - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 13:23 UTC

El martes, 17 de mayo de 2022 a las 5:12:05 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 12:51:12 UTC, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > El miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2021 a las 10:31:28 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > > El martes, 16 de noviembre de 2021 a las 16:55:53 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > > > El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
> > > > >
> > > > > As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > Still no success. :/
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
> > > > He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
> > > > Hope that everything's ok.
> > > Me neither. The Corriere provides excellent information the day before but nothing good on the day of the game or the day after. They show the tentative bench on the article the day before but do not confirm it after the day was played.
> > Team, I recently changed jobs so I have not been able to work on this. As of last tally, we have 1994 pending and three games from 1970, correct? Has anyone made any headway on this?
> Good afternoon everyone
>
> Apologies for being out of the loop on this for a while (new job, other stuff going on, etc), so it fell quite a way down my list of priorities.
>
> I have managed to find the substitutes list for the Romania - Czechoslovakia match in 1970 (via the Rude Pravo newspaper)
>
> ROM: 1-Raducanu, 6-Coe, 13-Deleanu, 14-Gergely, 17-Tataru
> CZE: 10-Adamec, 12-Pivarnik, 13-Flesar, 16-Hrdlicka, 18-Vesely
>
> That now leaves just 3 matches from 1970 (or 2.5 as we have the Swedish substitutes in their match against Israel).
>
> Group One
> Belgium v El Salvador (Polleunis [BEL] and Cortes + Semeno [ELS] were the used substitutes)
> Soviet Union v Belgium (Lovchev + Kiselyov [URS] were the used substitutes, Belgium made no substitutions)
>
> Group Two
> Sweden v Israel (Shuruk was the used substitute for Israel, and we know all of the Swedish subs: 13-Cronqvistm, 14-Kristensson, 17-Pettersson, 19-Nicklasson, 22-Palsson)
>
> As for 1994, I have the following unknowns:
>
> SUI v USA: 18-Rueda [SUI]
> BRA v RUS: 11-Beschastnykh [RUS]
> KOR v ESP: 3-Lee Jong-hwa [KOR]
>
> My 1994 list of non-substitutes is as follows (suspended indicates a suspension by FIFA for 2 YC or RC (including suspensions carried over from qualifying) and not a suspension by their individual FA [e.g. Effenberg])
>
> Group A
> Colombia: 8-Lozano (v USA)
> Romania: 9-Raducioiu (v Argentina - suspended), 16-Vladoiu (v USA, Argentina, Sweden - all suspended)
> Switzerland: none (possibly Rueda v USA as above)
> USA: 6-Harkes (v Brazil - suspended)
>
> Group B
> Brazil: 16-Leonardo (v Netherlands, Sweden, Italy - all suspended), 16-Paulo Sergio v USA
> Cameroon: 1-Bell (v Russia), 3-Song (v Russia - suspended)
> Russia: 3-Gorlukovich (v Cameroon - suspended), 18-Onopko (v Brazil - suspended), possibly 11-Beschastnykh (v Brazil as above)
> Sweden: 5-Ljung (v Bulgaria - suspended), 6-Schwarz (v Brazil [SF] - suspended), 9-Thern (v Bulgaria - suspended), 10-Dahlin (v Brazil [Group match] - suspended)
>
> Group C
> Bolivia: 2-Pena (v Germany, South Korea - all suspended), Etcheverry (v South Korea, Spain - all suspended), 16-Cristaldo (v Spain - suspended), 22-Baldivieso (v Spain - suspended)
> Germany: 20-Effenberg (v Belgium, Bulgaria), 21-Basler (v Bulgaria - suspended)
> South Korea: none (possibly Lee Jonh-hwa as above)
> Spain: 1-Zubizarreta (v South Korea - suspended), 4-Camarasa (v Italy), 15-Caminero (v Switzerland - suspended), 18-Alkorta (v Bolivia), 20-Nadal (v Germany, Bolivia - all suspended)
>
> Group D
> Argentina: 10-Maradona (v Bulgaria, Romania - all suspended)
> Bulgaria: 2-Kremenliev (v Germany - suspended), 3-Ivanov + 4-Tsvetanov + 6-Yankov (all three v Mexico - suspended)
> Greece: 16-Alexoudis + 18-Karataidis (both v Nigeria)
> Nigeria: none
>
> Group E
> Italy: 1-Pagliuca (v Mexico, Nigeria - all suspended), 4-Costacurta (v Brazil - suspended), 6-Baresi (v Mexico, Nigeria, Spain, Bulgaria), 9-Tassotti (v Mexico and suspended v Bulgaria, Brazil), 21-Zola (v Spain, Bulgaria - all suspended)
> Mexico: 8-Aspe (v Norway - suspended), 9-Sanchez (v Italy), 14-Del Olmo (v Bulgaria - suspended)
> Norway: 18-Haland (v Ireland - suspended)
> Ireland: 2-Irwin + 3-Phelan (both v Norway - suspended)
>
> Group F
> Belgium: 4-Albert (v Morocco - suspended)
> Morocco: 6-Naybet (v Saudi Arabia - suspended)
> Netherlands: 6-Wouters (v Ireland - suspended), 21-De Wolf (all matches - suffered a calf injury during a practice session the day before Netherlands opening match)
> Saudi Arabia: 6-Amin (v Belgium - suspended)
>
> Regards
>
> Steve Flanagan

Steve, this is great stuff.

Quick question: Do these include also unable to play due to injury?

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Subject: Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matches
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 by: Laura Camacho - Mon, 2 Jan 2023 00:05 UTC

El viernes, 3 de junio de 2022 a las 7:23:19 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> El martes, 17 de mayo de 2022 a las 5:12:05 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> > On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 12:51:12 UTC, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > > El miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2021 a las 10:31:28 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > > > El martes, 16 de noviembre de 2021 a las 16:55:53 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > > > > El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Still no success. :/
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
> > > > > He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
> > > > > Hope that everything's ok.
> > > > Me neither. The Corriere provides excellent information the day before but nothing good on the day of the game or the day after. They show the tentative bench on the article the day before but do not confirm it after the day was played.
> > > Team, I recently changed jobs so I have not been able to work on this.. As of last tally, we have 1994 pending and three games from 1970, correct? Has anyone made any headway on this?
> > Good afternoon everyone
> >
> > Apologies for being out of the loop on this for a while (new job, other stuff going on, etc), so it fell quite a way down my list of priorities.
> >
> > I have managed to find the substitutes list for the Romania - Czechoslovakia match in 1970 (via the Rude Pravo newspaper)
> >
> > ROM: 1-Raducanu, 6-Coe, 13-Deleanu, 14-Gergely, 17-Tataru
> > CZE: 10-Adamec, 12-Pivarnik, 13-Flesar, 16-Hrdlicka, 18-Vesely
> >
> > That now leaves just 3 matches from 1970 (or 2.5 as we have the Swedish substitutes in their match against Israel).
> >
> > Group One
> > Belgium v El Salvador (Polleunis [BEL] and Cortes + Semeno [ELS] were the used substitutes)
> > Soviet Union v Belgium (Lovchev + Kiselyov [URS] were the used substitutes, Belgium made no substitutions)
> >
> > Group Two
> > Sweden v Israel (Shuruk was the used substitute for Israel, and we know all of the Swedish subs: 13-Cronqvistm, 14-Kristensson, 17-Pettersson, 19-Nicklasson, 22-Palsson)
> >
> > As for 1994, I have the following unknowns:
> >
> > SUI v USA: 18-Rueda [SUI]
> > BRA v RUS: 11-Beschastnykh [RUS]
> > KOR v ESP: 3-Lee Jong-hwa [KOR]
> >
> > My 1994 list of non-substitutes is as follows (suspended indicates a suspension by FIFA for 2 YC or RC (including suspensions carried over from qualifying) and not a suspension by their individual FA [e.g. Effenberg])
> >
> > Group A
> > Colombia: 8-Lozano (v USA)
> > Romania: 9-Raducioiu (v Argentina - suspended), 16-Vladoiu (v USA, Argentina, Sweden - all suspended)
> > Switzerland: none (possibly Rueda v USA as above)
> > USA: 6-Harkes (v Brazil - suspended)
> >
> > Group B
> > Brazil: 16-Leonardo (v Netherlands, Sweden, Italy - all suspended), 16-Paulo Sergio v USA
> > Cameroon: 1-Bell (v Russia), 3-Song (v Russia - suspended)
> > Russia: 3-Gorlukovich (v Cameroon - suspended), 18-Onopko (v Brazil - suspended), possibly 11-Beschastnykh (v Brazil as above)
> > Sweden: 5-Ljung (v Bulgaria - suspended), 6-Schwarz (v Brazil [SF] - suspended), 9-Thern (v Bulgaria - suspended), 10-Dahlin (v Brazil [Group match] - suspended)
> >
> > Group C
> > Bolivia: 2-Pena (v Germany, South Korea - all suspended), Etcheverry (v South Korea, Spain - all suspended), 16-Cristaldo (v Spain - suspended), 22-Baldivieso (v Spain - suspended)
> > Germany: 20-Effenberg (v Belgium, Bulgaria), 21-Basler (v Bulgaria - suspended)
> > South Korea: none (possibly Lee Jonh-hwa as above)
> > Spain: 1-Zubizarreta (v South Korea - suspended), 4-Camarasa (v Italy), 15-Caminero (v Switzerland - suspended), 18-Alkorta (v Bolivia), 20-Nadal (v Germany, Bolivia - all suspended)
> >
> > Group D
> > Argentina: 10-Maradona (v Bulgaria, Romania - all suspended)
> > Bulgaria: 2-Kremenliev (v Germany - suspended), 3-Ivanov + 4-Tsvetanov + 6-Yankov (all three v Mexico - suspended)
> > Greece: 16-Alexoudis + 18-Karataidis (both v Nigeria)
> > Nigeria: none
> >
> > Group E
> > Italy: 1-Pagliuca (v Mexico, Nigeria - all suspended), 4-Costacurta (v Brazil - suspended), 6-Baresi (v Mexico, Nigeria, Spain, Bulgaria), 9-Tassotti (v Mexico and suspended v Bulgaria, Brazil), 21-Zola (v Spain, Bulgaria - all suspended)
> > Mexico: 8-Aspe (v Norway - suspended), 9-Sanchez (v Italy), 14-Del Olmo (v Bulgaria - suspended)
> > Norway: 18-Haland (v Ireland - suspended)
> > Ireland: 2-Irwin + 3-Phelan (both v Norway - suspended)
> >
> > Group F
> > Belgium: 4-Albert (v Morocco - suspended)
> > Morocco: 6-Naybet (v Saudi Arabia - suspended)
> > Netherlands: 6-Wouters (v Ireland - suspended), 21-De Wolf (all matches - suffered a calf injury during a practice session the day before Netherlands opening match)
> > Saudi Arabia: 6-Amin (v Belgium - suspended)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Steve Flanagan
> Steve, this is great stuff.
>
> Quick question: Do these include also unable to play due to injury?
I would like to attach an Excel file to this conversation but cannot find the command. Where is it?

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> I would like to attach an Excel file to this conversation but cannot
> find the command. Where is it?

Usenet does not really allow attaching files on regular groups, only
binary groups which most servers don't propagate.

Excel files are "binary files" and it would need to be encoded somehow
and posted to a binary group, probably split over several postings. How
to do it, and how to download and merge multiple posts, depends on the
newsreader.

It looks like you are using Google Groups, see e.g. here:

https://www.dummies.com/article/technology/software/google-products/how-to-share-files-with-google-groups-144732/

and they end the first paragraph with

Keep in mind, though, that you can’t post files in Usenet groups (that
is, groups with names like this: rec.gardens.us). You can post files
only in non-Usenet Google groups.

An alternative it to upload the file to Google Docs and make it
universally available for reading. Or use some other file sharing
provider, Microsoft, Dropbox, etc,

-- HASM

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 by: Juan B - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 02:32 UTC

El lunes, 2 de enero de 2023 a las 1:05:03 UTC+1, Laura Camacho escribió:
> El viernes, 3 de junio de 2022 a las 7:23:19 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > El martes, 17 de mayo de 2022 a las 5:12:05 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> > > On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 12:51:12 UTC, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > > > El miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2021 a las 10:31:28 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> > > > > El martes, 16 de noviembre de 2021 a las 16:55:53 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > > > > > El martes, 26 de octubre de 2021 a las 20:50:30 UTC+2, Juan B escribió:
> > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am trying to find the missing information but no success. :/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As usual, if I find anything, I will keep you all posted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Still no success. :/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am wondering where Steve Flanagan is.
> > > > > > He used to be focused and got a big commitment with this task.
> > > > > > Hope that everything's ok.
> > > > > Me neither. The Corriere provides excellent information the day before but nothing good on the day of the game or the day after. They show the tentative bench on the article the day before but do not confirm it after the day was played.
> > > > Team, I recently changed jobs so I have not been able to work on this. As of last tally, we have 1994 pending and three games from 1970, correct? Has anyone made any headway on this?
> > > Good afternoon everyone
> > >
> > > Apologies for being out of the loop on this for a while (new job, other stuff going on, etc), so it fell quite a way down my list of priorities.
> > >
> > > I have managed to find the substitutes list for the Romania - Czechoslovakia match in 1970 (via the Rude Pravo newspaper)
> > >
> > > ROM: 1-Raducanu, 6-Coe, 13-Deleanu, 14-Gergely, 17-Tataru
> > > CZE: 10-Adamec, 12-Pivarnik, 13-Flesar, 16-Hrdlicka, 18-Vesely
> > >
> > > That now leaves just 3 matches from 1970 (or 2.5 as we have the Swedish substitutes in their match against Israel).
> > >
> > > Group One
> > > Belgium v El Salvador (Polleunis [BEL] and Cortes + Semeno [ELS] were the used substitutes)
> > > Soviet Union v Belgium (Lovchev + Kiselyov [URS] were the used substitutes, Belgium made no substitutions)
> > >
> > > Group Two
> > > Sweden v Israel (Shuruk was the used substitute for Israel, and we know all of the Swedish subs: 13-Cronqvistm, 14-Kristensson, 17-Pettersson, 19-Nicklasson, 22-Palsson)
> > >
> > > As for 1994, I have the following unknowns:
> > >
> > > SUI v USA: 18-Rueda [SUI]
> > > BRA v RUS: 11-Beschastnykh [RUS]
> > > KOR v ESP: 3-Lee Jong-hwa [KOR]
> > >
> > > My 1994 list of non-substitutes is as follows (suspended indicates a suspension by FIFA for 2 YC or RC (including suspensions carried over from qualifying) and not a suspension by their individual FA [e.g. Effenberg])
> > >
> > > Group A
> > > Colombia: 8-Lozano (v USA)
> > > Romania: 9-Raducioiu (v Argentina - suspended), 16-Vladoiu (v USA, Argentina, Sweden - all suspended)
> > > Switzerland: none (possibly Rueda v USA as above)
> > > USA: 6-Harkes (v Brazil - suspended)
> > >
> > > Group B
> > > Brazil: 16-Leonardo (v Netherlands, Sweden, Italy - all suspended), 16-Paulo Sergio v USA
> > > Cameroon: 1-Bell (v Russia), 3-Song (v Russia - suspended)
> > > Russia: 3-Gorlukovich (v Cameroon - suspended), 18-Onopko (v Brazil - suspended), possibly 11-Beschastnykh (v Brazil as above)
> > > Sweden: 5-Ljung (v Bulgaria - suspended), 6-Schwarz (v Brazil [SF] - suspended), 9-Thern (v Bulgaria - suspended), 10-Dahlin (v Brazil [Group match] - suspended)
> > >
> > > Group C
> > > Bolivia: 2-Pena (v Germany, South Korea - all suspended), Etcheverry (v South Korea, Spain - all suspended), 16-Cristaldo (v Spain - suspended), 22-Baldivieso (v Spain - suspended)
> > > Germany: 20-Effenberg (v Belgium, Bulgaria), 21-Basler (v Bulgaria - suspended)
> > > South Korea: none (possibly Lee Jonh-hwa as above)
> > > Spain: 1-Zubizarreta (v South Korea - suspended), 4-Camarasa (v Italy), 15-Caminero (v Switzerland - suspended), 18-Alkorta (v Bolivia), 20-Nadal (v Germany, Bolivia - all suspended)
> > >
> > > Group D
> > > Argentina: 10-Maradona (v Bulgaria, Romania - all suspended)
> > > Bulgaria: 2-Kremenliev (v Germany - suspended), 3-Ivanov + 4-Tsvetanov + 6-Yankov (all three v Mexico - suspended)
> > > Greece: 16-Alexoudis + 18-Karataidis (both v Nigeria)
> > > Nigeria: none
> > >
> > > Group E
> > > Italy: 1-Pagliuca (v Mexico, Nigeria - all suspended), 4-Costacurta (v Brazil - suspended), 6-Baresi (v Mexico, Nigeria, Spain, Bulgaria), 9-Tassotti (v Mexico and suspended v Bulgaria, Brazil), 21-Zola (v Spain, Bulgaria - all suspended)
> > > Mexico: 8-Aspe (v Norway - suspended), 9-Sanchez (v Italy), 14-Del Olmo (v Bulgaria - suspended)
> > > Norway: 18-Haland (v Ireland - suspended)
> > > Ireland: 2-Irwin + 3-Phelan (both v Norway - suspended)
> > >
> > > Group F
> > > Belgium: 4-Albert (v Morocco - suspended)
> > > Morocco: 6-Naybet (v Saudi Arabia - suspended)
> > > Netherlands: 6-Wouters (v Ireland - suspended), 21-De Wolf (all matches - suffered a calf injury during a practice session the day before Netherlands opening match)
> > > Saudi Arabia: 6-Amin (v Belgium - suspended)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Steve Flanagan
> > Steve, this is great stuff.
> >
> > Quick question: Do these include also unable to play due to injury?
> I would like to attach an Excel file to this conversation but cannot find the command. Where is it?

Happy that you keep this conversation alive. I am trying to find the missing information. I am coming over here from time to time if there's something new. From my side, unfortunatelly... nothing to add and share from my research :/

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Subject: Re: Unused Subs in World Cup finals matches
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 by: Steve Flanagan - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:13 UTC

Good afternoon everyone

Apologies for not updating this thread for a while, but I have had a number of other things going on which meant I had to put this little 'project' on hold for a bit.

Anyway, for some reason, FIFA decided that they would revert back to putting all non-starting squad players down as substitutes for the latest World Cup (2022 Qatar), however, I have managed to confirm that the following players were not named as substitutes in the matches mentioned.

I have also noted if players were missing due to suspensions. I haven't yet been able to confirm the reason for all of the 'non-suspension' players that were not named as a substitute but have made notes where possible.

Group A
Ecuador: 20-Sebas Mendez (v Senegal, suspended for 2 yellow cards)
Netherlands: none
Qatar: 15-Bassam Al-Rawi (v Senegal & Netherlands)
Senegal: 5-Idrissa Gueye (v England, suspended for 2 yellow cards); 8-Cheikhou Kouyate (v Qatar, Ecuador & England)

Group B
England: 10-Raheem Sterling (v Senegal, had returned to England due to burglary at home); 21-Ben White (v Wales, Senegal & France, left the squad for personal reasons as announced by the English FA); 25-James Maddison (v Iran & United States, recovering from injury sustained in EPL prior to World Cup)
Iran: 1-Alireza Beiranvand (v Wales, was substituted in previous game v England under the concussion protocol); 7-Alireza Jahanbakhsh (v United States, suspended for 2 yellow cards). Iran named a squad of only 25 players instead of the 26 allowed.
United States: 24-Josh Sargent (v Netherlands)
Wales: 1-Wayne Hennessey (v England, suspended for red card in previous match v Iran) - also see below re: concussion substitutions

Group C
Argentina: 4-Gonzalo Montiel (v Croatia, suspended for 2 yellow cards); 8-Marcos Acuna (v Croatia, suspended for 2 yellow cards); 17-Papu Gomez (v Croatia)
Mexico: none
Poland: none
Saudi Arabia: 6-Mohammed Al-Breik (v Mexico); 7-Salman Al-Faraj (v Poland & Mexico); 8-Abdulellah Al-Malki (v Mexico, suspended for 2 yellow cards); 13-Yasser Al-Shahrani (v Poland & Mexico, was substituted in game v Argentina under the concussion protocol); 26-Riyadh Sharahili (v Argentina & Poland)

Group D
Australia: 3-Nathaniel Atkinson (v Tunisia)
Denmark: 8-Thomas Delaney (v France & Australia)
France: 14-Adrien Rabot (v Morocco); 21-Lucas Hernandez (all except v Australia, torn anterior cruciate ligament injury in 13th minute) - also 19-Karim Benzema was named in the squad but did not appear due to injury which was announced on 20 November.
Tunisia: none

Group E
Costa Rica: 15-Francisco Calvo (v Germany, suspended for 2 yellow cards)
Germany: none
Japan: 4-Ko Itakura (v Croatia, suspended for 2 yellow cards); 11-Takefusa Kubo (v Croatia)
Spain: none

Group F
Belgium: 9-Romelu Lukaku (v Canada)
Canada: 7-Stephen Eustaquio (v Morocco)
Croatia: 2-Josip Stanisic (v Japan); 19-Borna Sosa (v Japan); 21-Domagoj Vida (v Canada)
Morocco: 1-Yassine Bounou (v Belgium); 3-Noussair Mazraoui (v Portugal & Croatia); 5-Nayef Aguerd (v Portugal & France); 21-Walid Cheddira (v France, suspended for red card v Portugal)

Group G
Brazil: 2-Danilo (v Switzerland & Cameroon); 6-Alex Sandro (v Cameroon & South Korea); 10-Neymar (v Switzerland & Cameroon); 16-Alex Telles (v South Korea & Croatia); 18-Gabriel Jesus (v South Korea & Croatia)
Cameroon: 3-Nicolas Nkoulou (v Brazil); 18-Martin Hongla (v Brazil); 21-Jean-Charles Castelletto (v Brazil); 23-Andre Onana (v Serbia & Brazil - suspended from the squad for disciplinary reasons on 28 November)
Serbia: none
Switzerland: 1-Yann Sommer (v Serbia); 3-Silvan Widmer (v Portugal); 4-Nico Elvedi (v Serbia); 11-Renato Steffen (v Cameroon); 19-Noah Okafor (v Brazil); 24-Philipp Kohn (v Serbia)

Group H
Ghana: none
Portugal: 1-Rui Patricio (v Morocco); 12-Jose Sa (v Morocco); 13-Danilo Pereira (all except v Ghana); 19-Nuno Mendes (all except v Uruguay); 25-Otavio (v Uruguay & South Korea)
South Korea: none
Uruguay: 4-Ronald Araujo (all matches)

I've also noted two other players who I have managed to confirm were substituted under the concussion protocol in their final match of the tournament:
Wales: 3-Neco Williams (concussion substitution v England)
France: 14-Adrien Rabot (concussion substitution v Argentina in the Final)

I'm not aware of any other concussion substitutions apart from possibly Harry Maguire for England v Iran.

Regards

Steve Flanagan

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clearnet tor