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May 16 2021

Bill Whitaker reports on the regular sightings
of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, that
have spurred a report due to Congress next
month.

Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs
(13:47)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
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We have tackled many strange stories on 60 Minutes, but perhaps none like this.

It's the story of the U.S. government's grudging acknowledgment of unidentified aerial phenomena— UAP—more commonly known as UFOs. After decades of public denial the Pentagon now admits there's something out there, and the U.S. Senate wants to know what it is.

The intelligence committee has ordered the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense to deliver a report on the mysterious sightings by next month.

Bill Whitaker: So what you are telling me is that UFOs, unidentified flying objects, are real?

Lue Elizondo: Bill, I think we're beyond that already. The government has already stated for the record that they're real. I'm not telling you that. The United States government is telling you that.

Luis Elizondo spent 20 years running military intelligence operations worldwide: in Afghanistan, the Middle East and Guantanamo. He hadn't given UFOs a second thought until 2008. That's when he was asked to join something at the Pentagon called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or "AATIP."

Lue Elizondo: The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles, what I guess in the vernacular you call them UFOs. We call them UAPs.

Bill Whitaker: You know how this sounds? It sounds nutty, wacky.

Lue Elizondo: Look, Bill, I'm not, I'm not telling you that, that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you, it's real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities?

Buried away in the Pentagon, AATIP was part of a $22 million program sponsored by then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to investigate UFOs. When Elizondo took over in 2010 he focused on the national security implications of unidentified aerial phenomena documented by U.S. service members.

Lue Elizondo: Imagine a technology that can do 6-to-700 g-forces, that can fly at 13,000 miles an hour, that can evade radar and that can fly through air and water and possibly space. And oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces and yet still can defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity. That's precisely what we're seeing.

Elizondo tells us AATIP was a loose-knit mix of scientists, electro-optical engineers, avionics and intelligence experts, often working part time. They combed through data and records, and analyzed videos like this.

A Navy aircrew struggles to lock onto a fast-moving object off the U.S. Atlantic Coast in 2015.

Recently released images may not convince UFO skeptics, but the pentagon admits it doesn't know what in the world this is or this or this.

Bill Whitaker: So what do you say to the skeptics? It's refracted light. Weather balloons. A rocket being launched. Venus.

Lue Elizondo: In some cases there are simple explanations for what people are witnessing. But there are some that, that are not. We're not just simply jumping to a conclusion that's saying, "Oh, that's a UAP out there." We're going through our due diligence. Is it some sort of new type of cruise missile technology that China has developed? Is it some sort of high-altitude balloon that's conducting reconnaissance?

Ultimately when you have exhausted all those what ifs and you're still left with the fact that this is in our airspace and it's real, that's when it becomes compelling, and that's when it becomes problematic.

Former Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves calls whatever is out there a security risk. He told us his F/A-18F squadron began seeing UAPs hovering over restricted airspace southeast of Virginia Beach in 2014 when they updated their jet's radar, making it possible to zero in with infrared targeting cameras.

Bill Whitaker: So you're seeing it both with the radar and with the infrared. And that tells you that there is something out there?

Ryan Graves: Pretty hard to spoof that.

These photographs were taken in 2019 in the same area. The Pentagon confirms these are images of objects it can't identify. Lieutenant Graves told us pilots training off the Atlantic Coast see things like that all the time.

Ryan Graves: Every day. Every day for at least a couple years.

Bill Whitaker: Wait a minute, every day for a couple of years?

Ryan Graves: Uh-huh.

Ryan Graves: I don't see an exhaust plume.

Including this one – off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida in 2015, captured on a targeting camera by members of Graves' squadron.
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Soundbites from pilots: Look at that thing, it's rotating! My gosh! They're all going against the wind, the wind's 120 knots to the west. Look at that thing dude!

Bill Whitaker: You can sorta hear the surprise in their voices.

Ryan Graves: You certainly can. They seem to have broke character a bit and were just kind of amazed at what they were seeing.

Bill Whitaker: What do you think when you see something like this?

Ryan Graves: This is a difficult one to explain. You have rotation, you have high altitudes. You have propulsion, right? I don't know. I don't know what it is, frankly.

He told us pilots speculate they are one of three things: secret U.S. technology, an adversary's spy vehicle, or something otherworldly.

Ryan Graves: I would say, you know, the highest probability is it's a threat observation program.

Bill Whitaker: Could it be Russian or Chinese technology?

Ryan Graves: I don't see why not.

Bill Whitaker: Are you alarmed?

Ryan Graves: I am worried, frankly. You know, if these were tactical jets from another country that were hangin' out up there, it would be a massive issue. But because it looks slightly different, we're not willing to actually look at the problem in the face. We're happy to just ignore the fact that these are out there, watching us every day.

The government has ignored it - at least publicly - since closing its project "Blue Book" investigation in 1969. But that began to change after an incident off Southern California in 2004, which was documented by radar, by camera, and four naval aviators.

We spoke to two of them: David Fravor, a graduate of the Top Gun naval flight school and commander of the F/A-18F squadron on the USS Nimitz; and flying at his wing, Lieutenant Alex Dietrich, who has never spoken publicly about the encounter.

Alex Dietrich and Dave Fravor

Alex Dietrich: I never wanted to be on national TV, no offense.

Bill Whitaker: So why are you doing this?

Alex Dietrich: Because I was in a government aircraft, because I was on the clock. And so I feel a responsibility to share what I can. And it is unclassified.

It was November 2004 and the USS Nimitz carrier strike group was training about 100 miles southwest of San Diego. For a week, the advanced new radar on a nearby ship, the USS Princeton, had detected what operators called "multiple anomalous aerial vehicles" over the horizon, descending 80,000 feet in less than a second.

On November 14, Fravor and Dietrich, each with a weapons systems officer in the backseat, were diverted to investigate. They found an area of roiling whitewater the size of a 737 in an otherwise calm, blue sea.

Dave Fravor: So as we're looking at this, her back-seater says, "Hey, Skipper, do you..." And about that got out, I said, "Dude, do you, do you see that thing down there?" And we saw this little white Tic Tac-looking object. And it's just kind of moving above the whitewater area.

As Deitrich circled above - Fravor went in for a closer look.

Bill Whitaker: So you're sort of spiraling down?

Dave Fravor: Yep. The Tic Tac's still pointing north-south, it goes, click, and just turns abruptly. And starts mirroring me. So as I'm coming down, it starts coming up.

Bill Whitaker: So it's mimicking your moves?

Dave Fravor: Yeah, it was aware we were there.

He said it was about the size of his F/A-18F, with no markings, no wings, no exhaust plumes.

Dave Fravor: I want to see how close I can get. So I go like this. And it's climbing still. And when it gets right in front of me, it just disappears..

Bill Whitaker: Disappears?

Dave Fravor: Disappears. Like, gone.

It had sped off.

Bill Whitaker: What are you thinking?

Alex Dietrich: So your mind tries to make sense of it. I'm gonna categorize this as maybe a helicopter or maybe a drone. And when it disappeared. I mean it was just…

Bill Whitaker: Did your back-seaters see this too?

Alex Dietrich: Yeah.

Dave Fravor: Oh yeah. There was four of us in the airplanes literally watching this thing for roughly about five minutes.

Seconds later, the Princeton reacquired the target. 60 miles away. Another crew managed to briefly lock onto it with a targeting camera before it zipped off again.

Alex Dietrich: You know, I think that over beers, we've sort of said, "Hey man, if I saw this solo, I don't know that I would have come back and said anything," because it sounds so crazy when I say it.


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On Saturday, May 22, 2021, at 7:13:02 PM UTC-4, the observer wrote:
> ---
> May 16, 2021
>
> Bill Whitaker reports on the regular sightings
> of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, that
> have spurred a report due to Congress next
> month.
>
> Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs
> (13:47)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
> ---
>
> We have tackled many strange stories on 60 Minutes, but perhaps none like this.
>
> It's the story of the U.S. government's grudging acknowledgment of unidentified aerial phenomena— UAP—more commonly known as UFOs. After decades of public denial, the Pentagon now admits there's something out there, and the U.S. Senate wants to know what it is.
>
> The intelligence committee has ordered the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense to deliver a report on the mysterious sightings by next month.
>
> Bill Whitaker: So what you are telling me is that UFOs, unidentified flying objects, are real?
>
> Lue Elizondo: Bill, I think we're beyond that already. The government has already stated for the record that they're real. I'm not telling you that. The United States government is telling you that.
>
> Luis Elizondo spent 20 years running military intelligence operations worldwide: in Afghanistan, the Middle East, and Guantanamo. He hadn't given UFOs a second thought until 2008. That's when he was asked to join something at the Pentagon called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or "AATIP."
>
> Lue Elizondo: The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles, what I guess in the vernacular you call UFOs. We call them UAPs.
>
> Bill Whitaker: You know how this sounds? It sounds nutty, wacky.
>
> Lue Elizondo: Look, Bill, I'm not, I'm not telling you that, that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you, it's real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities?
>
> Buried away in the Pentagon, AATIP was part of a $22 million program sponsored by then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to investigate UFOs. When Elizondo took over in 2010 he focused on the national security implications of unidentified aerial phenomena documented by U.S. service members.
>
> Lue Elizondo: Imagine a technology that can do 6-to-700 g-forces, that can fly at 13,000 miles an hour, that can evade radar and that can fly through air and water and possibly space. And oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces, and yet still can defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity. That's precisely what we're seeing.
>
> Elizondo tells us AATIP was a loose-knit mix of scientists, electro-optical engineers, avionics, and intelligence experts, often working part-time. They combed through data and records and analyzed videos like this.
>
> A Navy aircrew struggles to lock onto a fast-moving object off the U.S. Atlantic Coast in 2015.
>
> Recently released images may not convince UFO skeptics, but the pentagon admits it doesn't know what in the world this is or this or this.
>
> Bill Whitaker: So what do you say to the skeptics? It's refracted light. Weather balloons. A rocket being launched. Venus.
>
> Lue Elizondo: In some cases, there are simple explanations for what people are witnessing. But there are some that, that are not. We're not just simply jumping to a conclusion that's saying, "Oh, that's a UAP out there." We're going through our due diligence. Is it some sort of new type of cruise missile technology that China has developed? Is it some sort of high-altitude balloon that's conducting reconnaissance?
>
> Ultimately when you have exhausted all those what-ifs and you're still left with the fact that this is in our airspace and it's real, that's when it becomes compelling, and that's when it becomes problematic.
>
> Former Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves calls whatever is out there a security risk. He told us his F/A-18F squadron began seeing UAPs hovering over restricted airspace southeast of Virginia Beach in 2014 when they updated their jet's radar, making it possible to zero in with infrared targeting cameras.
>
> Bill Whitaker: So you're seeing it both with the radar and with the infrared. And that tells you that there is something out there?
>
> Ryan Graves: Pretty hard to spoof that.
>
> These photographs were taken in 2019 in the same area. The Pentagon confirms these are images of objects it can't identify. Lieutenant Graves told us pilots training off the Atlantic Coast see things like that all the time.
>
> Ryan Graves: Every day. Every day for at least a couple of years.
>
> Bill Whitaker: Wait a minute, every day for a couple of years?
>
> Ryan Graves: Uh-huh.
>
> Ryan Graves: I don't see an exhaust plume.
>
> Including this one – off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida in 2015, captured on a targeting camera by members of Graves' squadron.
> https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2021/05/16/5fad0791-f699-4f16-aae4-d15abd0630ac/thumbnail/1240x698/fcfb7a4c956c2d7c68295a967e16dd32/fullepisode.jpg
>
> Soundbites from pilots: Look at that thing, it's rotating! My gosh! They're all going against the wind, the wind's 120 knots to the west. Look at that thing dude!
>
> Bill Whitaker: You can sorta hear the surprise in their voices.
>
> Ryan Graves: You certainly can. They seem to have broken character a bit and were just kind of amazed at what they were seeing.
>
> Bill Whitaker: What do you think when you see something like this?
>
> Ryan Graves: This is a difficult one to explain. You have rotation, you have high altitudes. You have propulsion, right? I don't know. I don't know what it is, frankly.
>
> He told us pilots speculate they are one of three things: secret U.S. technology, an adversary's spy vehicle, or something otherworldly.
>
> Ryan Graves: I would say, you know, the highest probability is it's a threat observation program.
>
> Bill Whitaker: Could it be Russian or Chinese technology?
>
> Ryan Graves: I don't see why not.
>
> Bill Whitaker: Are you alarmed?
>
> Ryan Graves: I am worried, frankly. You know, if these were tactical jets from another country that were hangin' out up there, it would be a massive issue. But because it looks slightly different, we're not willing to the problem in the face. We're happy to just ignore the fact that these are out there, watching us every day.
>
> The government has ignored it - at least publicly - since closing its project "Blue Book" investigation in 1969. But that began to change after an incident off Southern California in 2004, which was documented by radar, by the camera, and four naval aviators.
>
> We spoke to two of them: David Fravor, a graduate of the Top Gun naval flight school and commander of the F/A-18F squadron on the USS Nimitz; and flying at his wing, Lieutenant Alex Dietrich, who has never spoken publicly about the encounter.
>
> Alex Dietrich and Dave Favor
>
> Alex Dietrich: I never wanted to be on national TV, no offense.
>
> Bill Whitaker: So why are you doing this?
>
> Alex Dietrich: Because I was in a government aircraft because I was on the clock. And so I feel a responsibility to share what I can. And it is unclassified.
>
> It was November 2004 and the USS Nimitz carrier strike group was training about 100 miles southwest of San Diego. For a week, the advanced new radar on a nearby ship, the USS Princeton, had detected what operators called "multiple anomalous aerial vehicles" over the horizon, descending 80,000 feet in less than a second.
>
> On November 14, Fravor and Dietrich, each with a weapons systems officer in the backseat, were diverted to investigate. They found an area of roiling whitewater the size of a 737 in an otherwise calm, blue sea.
>
> Dave Fravor: So as we're looking at this, her back-seater says, "Hey, Skipper, do you..." And about that got out, I said, "Dude, do you, do you see that thing down there?" And we saw this little white Tic Tac-looking object.. And it's just kind of moving above the whitewater area.
>
> As Deitrich circled above - Fravor went in for a closer look.
>
> Bill Whitaker: So you're sort of spiraling down?
>
> Dave Fravor: Yep. The Tic Tac's still pointing north-south, it goes, clicks, and just turns abruptly. And starts mirroring me. So as I'm coming down, it starts coming up.
>
> Bill Whitaker: So it's mimicking your moves?
>
> Dave Fravor: Yeah, it was aware we were there.
>
> He said it was about the size of his F/A-18F, with no markings, no wings, no exhaust plumes.
>
> Dave Fravor: I want to see how close I can get. So I go like this. And it's climbing still. And when it gets right in front of me, it just disappears.
>
> Bill Whitaker: Disappears?
>
> Dave Fravor: Disappears. Like, gone.
>
> It had sped off.
>
> Bill Whitaker: What are you thinking?
>
> Alex Dietrich: So your mind tries to make sense of it. I'm gonna categorize this as maybe a helicopter or maybe a drone. And when it disappeared. I mean it was just…
>
> Bill Whitaker: Did your back-seaters see this too?
>
> Alex Dietrich: Yeah.
>
> Dave Fravor: Oh yeah. There were four of us in the airplanes watching this thing for roughly about five minutes.
>
> Seconds later, Princeton reacquired the target. 60 miles away. Another crew managed to briefly lock onto it with a targeting camera before it zipped off again.
>
> Alex Dietrich: You know, I think that over beers, we've sort of said, "Hey man, if I saw this solo, I don't know that I would have come back and said anything," because it sounds so crazy when I say it.
>
> Bill Whitaker: You understand that reaction?
>
> Dave Fravor: I do. I've had some people tell me, you know, "When you say that, you can sound crazy." I'll be hon-- I'm not a UFO guy.
>
> Bill Whitaker: But from what I hear you guys saying, there's something?
>
> Alex Dietrich: Yes.
>
> Dave Fravor: Oh there's, there's something that… I don't know who's building it, who's got the technology, who's got the brains. But there's, there's something out there that was better than our airplane.
>
> The aircrew filed reports. Then like the mysterious flying object, the Nimitz encounter disappeared. Nothing was said or done officially for five years until Lue Elizondo came across the story and investigated.
>
> Lue Elizondo: We spend millions of dollars in training these pilots. And they are seeing something that they can't explain. Furthermore, that information is backed up on electro-optical data, like gun camera footage. And by radar data. Now, to me, that's compelling.
>
> Inside the Pentagon his findings were met with skepticism. AATIP's funding was eliminated in 2012, but Elizondo says he and a handful of others kept the mission alive until finally, frustrated, he quit the Pentagon in 2017, but not before getting these three videos declassified and then things took a stranger turn.
>
> Chris Mellon: I tried to help my colleague, Lue Elizondo, elevate the issue in the department and get it to the Secretary of Defense.
>
> Christopher Mellon served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence for Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush and had access to top-secret government programs.
>
> Chris Mellon: So it's not us, that's one thing we know.
>
> Bill Whitaker: We know that?
>
> Chris Mellon: I can say that with a very high degree of confidence in part because of the positions I held in the department, and I know the process..
>
> Mellon says he grew concerned nothing was being done about UAPs, so he decided to do something. In 2017, as a private citizen, he surreptitiously acquired the three Navy videos Elizondo had declassified and leaked them to the New York Times.
>
> Chris Mellon: It's bizarre and unfortunate that someone like myself has to do something like that to get a national security issue like this on the agenda.
>
> He joined forces with now civilian Lue Elizondo and they started to tell their story to anybody who would listen: to newspapers, the History Channel, to members of Congress.
>
> Chris Mellon: We knew and understood that you had to go to the public, get the public interested to get Congress interested, to then circle back to the Defense Department and get them to start taking a look at it.
>
> And now it is. This past August the Pentagon resurrected AATIP, it's now called the UAP task force; service members now are encouraged to report strange encounters, and the Senate wants answers.
>
> Marco Rubio: Anything that enters airspace that's not supposed to be there is a threat.
>
> After receiving classified briefings on UAPs, Senator Marco Rubio called for a detailed analysis. This past December, while he was still head of the intelligence committee, he asked the director of national intelligence and the Pentagon to present Congress an unclassified report by next month.
>
> Bill Whitaker: This is a bizarre issue. The Pentagon and other branches of the military have a long history of sort of dismissing this. What makes you think that this time's gonna be different?
>
> Marco Rubio: We're gonna find out when we get that report. You know, there's a stigma on Capitol Hill. I mean, some of my colleagues are very interested in this topic and some kinda, you know, giggle when you bring it up. But I don't think we can allow the stigma to keep us from having an answer to a very fundamental question.
>
> Bill Whitaker: What do you want us to do about this?
>
> Marco Rubio: I want us to take it seriously and have a process to take it seriously. I want us to have a process to analyze the data every time it comes in. That there be a place where this is cataloged and constantly analyzed until we get some answers. Maybe it has a very simple answer. Maybe it doesn't.
>
> --- end excerpts ---


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On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-5, dls...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, May 22, 2021, at 7:13:02 PM UTC-4, the observer wrote:

..> > ---
..> > May 16, 2021
..> >
..> > Bill Whitaker reports on the regular sightings
..> > of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, that
..> > have spurred a report due to Congress next
..> > month.
..> >
..> > Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs
..> > (13:47)
..> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
..> > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
..> > ---
..> >
..> > We have tackled many strange stories on 60
..> > Minutes, but perhaps none like this.
..> >
..> > It's the story of the U.S. government's grudging
..> > acknowledgment of unidentified aerial phenomena
..> > — UAP—more commonly known as UFOs. After
..> > decades of public denial, the Pentagon now admits
..> > there's something out there, and the U.S. Senate
..> > wants to know what it is.
..> >
..> > ... Luis Elizondo spent 20 years running military
..> > intelligence operations worldwide ... . He hadn't
..> > given UFOs a second thought until 2008. That's
..> > when he was asked to join something at the Pen-
..> > tagon called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Iden-
..> > tification Program, or "AATIP."
..> >
..> > ... Including this one – off the coast of Jacksonville,
..> > Florida in 2015, captured on a targeting camera by
..> > members of Graves' squadron.
..> > https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2021/05/16/5fad0791-f699-4f16-aae4-d15abd0630ac/thumbnail/1240x698/fcfb7a4c956c2d7c68295a967e16dd32/fullepisode.jpg
..> >
..> > ... It was November 2004 and the USS Nimitz carrier
..> > strike group was training about 100 miles southwest
..> > of San Diego. For a week, the advanced new radar
..> > on a nearby ship, the USS Princeton, had detected
..> > what operators called "multiple anomalous aerial vehi-
..> > cles" over the horizon, descending 80,000 feet in less
..> > than a second.
..> >
..> > On November 14, Fravor and Dietrich, each with a wea-
..> > pons systems officer in the backseat, were diverted to
..> > investigate. They found an area of roiling whitewater the
..> > size of a 737 in an otherwise calm, blue sea.
..> >
..> > Dave Fravor: So as we're looking at this, her back-seater
..> > says, "Hey, Skipper, do you..." And about that got out, I
..> > said, "Dude, do you, do you see that thing down there?"
..> > And we saw this little white Tic Tac-looking object. And it's
..> > just kind of moving above the whitewater area.
..> >
..> > As Deitrich circled above - Fravor went in for a closer look.
..> >
..> > Bill Whitaker: So you're sort of spiraling down?
..> >
..> > Dave Fravor: Yep. The Tic Tac's still pointing north-south, it
..> > goes, clicks, and just turns abruptly. And starts mirroring me.
..> > So as I'm coming down, it starts coming up.
..> >
..> > Bill Whitaker: So it's mimicking your moves?
..> >
..> > Dave Fravor: Yeah, it was aware we were there.
..> >
..> > He said it was about the size of his F/A-18F, with no markings,
..> > no wings, no exhaust plumes.
..> >
..> > Dave Fravor: I want to see how close I can get. So I go like
..> > this. And it's climbing still. And when it gets right in front of
..> > me, it just disappears.
..> >
..> > Bill Whitaker: Disappears?

I found the following information at a website that
includes the following graphic depiction of that
event: https://www.uaptheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/fravor-engagement-tic-tac-768x432.jpg

That website, written by an anonymous individual
who claims to be educated in astrophysics, his
theories involve geodesics & quantum entangle-
ment & probability the technology is not human
developed, instead (implied/theorized) developed
by non-human intelligence from one or more of ...

.... the habitable planets "... We can now estimate
there are 6 billion habitable Earth-like planets in
our galaxy, 1 billion of which are more suitable
for the evolution of life than the Earth. About 5-6
of them can be expected within 50 light years ...":
https://www.uaptheory.com/
https://www.uaptheory.com/geodesics/

..> >
..> > ... This past August the Pentagon resurrected AATIP, it's now
..> > called the UAP task force; service members now are encour-
..> > aged to report strange encounters, and the Senate wants
..> > answers.
..> >
..> > Marco Rubio: Anything that enters airspace that's not supposed
..> > to be there is a threat.
..> >
..> > After receiving classified briefings on UAPs, Senator Marco Rubio
..> > called for a detailed analysis. This past December, while he was
..> > still head of the intelligence committee, he asked the director of
..> > national intelligence and the Pentagon to present Congress an
..> > unclassified report by next month.
..> >
..> > ...
..> >
..> > --- end excerpts ---
..> I knew sooner or later you were going to post on such nonsense.
..>
..> Stay tuned boys and girls.
..>
..> Follow-ups plenty.

Per the above, whatever UAPs are, they are unexplained real
phenomena in an alarmingly high percent of reports from mili-
tary pilots.

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 by: observer - Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:30 UTC

Follow-up:

Cowboys news is sparse & not all that
important at this time of year unless a
critical injury crops up. None have, thus
far (knock on wood).

Meanwhile, UAPs, a recent report of
interest (disclaimer: politicians often
have a political interest in promoting
higher defense spending, & that may
be a motivation for supposed fear of
UAPs by some politicians):

2nd disclaimer: Lame videos, blurry
out of focus black & white difficult to
discern what the objects are, that's
the nature of all the videos & photos
I've seen. High quality full color photo
or video, mysteriously missing, so for ...

.... those prone to doubt, no convincing
video or photo evidence exists unless
one thinks blurry black & white videos
suffice.

3rd disclaimer: The supposed hiding
of information conveying the illusion
that there's more but it's 'classified'
and not able to be viewed. That acts
to promote fear, & in my opinion is
indefensible -if- better evidence actu-
ally exists. Why hide UAP data?

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June 17 2021

Something’s going on’: UFOs threaten
national security, US politicians warn

Some members of Congress were given
advanced details about Pentagon report,
which is scheduled to be released before
25 June 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/17/ufos-us-report-national-security-concerns
---

A group of senior American politicians have
warned that UFOs pose “national security
concerns” after getting a confidential brief-
ing on a highly anticipated report on uniden-
tified aerial phenomena that is set to be re-
leased later this month.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/29/ufos-uap-america-pentagon-report

Some members of Congress were given
advanced details about the contents of the
Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be
released before 25 June 2021, and several
said they are deeply worried about the find-
ings.

“Clearly, something’s going on that we can’t
handle,” Tim Burchett, a Republican con-
gressman from Tennessee, told TMZ. ...

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:03:40 AM UTC-5, observer wrote:

> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-5, dls...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 22, 2021, at 7:13:02 PM UTC-4, the observer wrote:

/> .> > ---
/> .> > May 16, 2021
/> .> >
/> .> > Bill Whitaker reports on the regular sightings
/> .> > of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, that
/> .> > have spurred a report due to Congress next
/> .> > month.
/> .> >
/> .> > Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs
/> .> > (13:47)
/> .> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
/> .> > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
/> .> >
/> .> > ...
..> I found the following information at a website that
..> includes the following graphic depiction of that
..> event: https://www.uaptheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/fravor-engagement-tic-tac-768x432.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.uaptheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/fravor-engagement-tic-tac-768x432.jpg
..>
..> That website, written by an anonymous individual
..> who claims to be educated in astrophysics, his
..> theories involve geodesics & quantum entangle-
..> ment & probability the technology is not human
..> developed, instead (implied/theorized) developed
..> by non-human intelligence from one or more of ...
..>
..> ... the habitable planets "... We can now estimate
..> there are 6 billion habitable Earth-like planets in
..> our galaxy, 1 billion of which are more suitable
..> for the evolution of life than the Earth. About 5-6
..> of them can be expected within 50 light years ...":
..> https://www.uaptheory.com/
..> https://www.uaptheory.com/geodesics/
> .> > ...
> .> > --- end excerpts ---

~> .> I knew sooner or later you were going to post on such nonsense.
~> .>
~> .> Stay tuned boys and girls.
~> .>
~> .> Follow-ups plenty.
..> Per the above, whatever UAPs are, they are unexplained real
..> phenomena in an alarmingly high percent of reports from mili-
..> tary pilots.

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Follow-up report on June 25 2021:

READ: US intelligence community's
unclassified report on UFOs
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/25/politics/full-text-pentagon-ufo-report-/index.html

The limited amount of high-quality reporting on
unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) hampers
our ability to draw firm conclusions about the
nature or intent of UAP.

The Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force
(UAPTF) considered a range of information on
UAP described in U.S. military and IC (Intelligence
Community) reporting, but because the reporting
lacked sufficient specificity, ultimately recognized
that a unique, tailored reporting process was ...

.... required to provide sufficient data for analysis
of UAP events.

• As a result, the UAPTF concentrated its review
on reports that occurred between 2004 and 2021,
the majority of which are a result of this new tail-
ored process to better capture UAP events through
formalized reporting.

• Most of the UAP reported probably do represent
physical objects given that a majority of UAP were
registered across multiple sensors, to include radar,
infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual
observation.

In a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly
appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics.
These observations could be the result of sensor
errors, spoofing, or observer misperception and
require additional rigorous analysis.

There are probably multiple types of UAP requiring
different explanations based on the range of appear-
ances and behaviors described in the available re-
porting.

Our analysis of the data supports the construct that
if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved
they will fall into one of five potential explanatory cat-
egories:

• airborne clutter,
• natural atmospheric phenomena,
• USG or U.S. industry developmental programs,
• foreign adversary systems,
and
• a catchall “other” bin.

UAP clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose
a challenge to U.S. national security. Safety concerns
primarily center on aviators contending with an increas-
ingly cluttered air domain.

UAP would also represent a national security challenge
if they are foreign adversary collection platforms or pro-
vide evidence a potential adversary has developed either
a breakthrough or disruptive technology.

Consistent consolidation of reports from across the fed-
eral government, standardized reporting, increased col-
lection and analysis, and a streamlined process for
screening all such reports against a broad range of rele-
vant USG data will allow for a more sophisticated analy-
sis of UAP that is likely to deepen our understanding.

Some of these steps are resource-intensive and would
require additional investment.

.... a Handful of UAP Appear to Demonstrate Advanced
Technology

In 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported
unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics.

Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft,
move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at
considerable speed, without discernable means of propul-
sion.

In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems pro-
cessed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP
sightings.

The UAPTF holds a small amount of data that appear to
show UAP demonstrating acceleration or a degree of sig-
nature management.

Additional rigorous analysis are necessary by multiple
teams or groups of technical experts to determine the
nature and validity of these data.

We are conducting further analysis to determine if break-
through technologies were demonstrated.

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