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Re: Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 48 Match Day 3

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 21:37 UTC

On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:

> It's been a good day for Arsenal.
>

In hindsight, picking the WSL matches was not such a good idea. City has a bunch of stars, but they are nowhere near the level of Arsenal and Chelsea. And United are a further notch below.

Oh well...

MD3 results and standings:

Tier 1
----
Futbolmetrix 6 - 1 ixion martin (Chelsea (women) - Manchester United (women))
Mark 0 - 5 Werner Pichler (Manchester City (women) - Arsenal (women))


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
6 3 6 6 0 3 Mark
5 3 7 2 5 3 Werner Pichler
4 3 8 6 2 3 Futbolmetrix
1 3 2 9 -7 3 ixion martin

FMUPTFC doesn't have problems scoring goals, but it need to tighten up its defense.


Tier 2
----
milivella 1 - 6 The Doctor (Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women))
Jackson 3 - 0 Jesus Petry (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
5 3 4 1 3 3 Jackson
4 3 7 4 3 2 The Doctor
4 3 4 8 -4 3 milivella
3 3 4 6 -2 3 Jesus Petry

Quckie comment: bwhahaha!


Tier 3
----
Lassie 3 - 4 Jesper Lauridsen (Hartberg - Austria Vienna)
MH 3 - 0 Homer Simpson (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
7 3 7 1 6 3 MH
4 3 5 6 -1 2 Jesper Lauridsen
3 3 4 6 -2 3 Homer Simpson
3 3 6 9 -3 3 Lassie

Tier 3 managers knew to stay away from the women's matches.

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 by: MH - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 22:29 UTC

On 2021-09-26 15:37, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
>> It's been a good day for Arsenal.
>>
>
> In hindsight, picking the WSL matches was not such a good idea. City has a bunch of stars, but they are nowhere near the level of Arsenal and Chelsea. And United are a further notch below.
>
> Oh well...
>
> MD3 results and standings:
>
> Tier 1
> ----
> Futbolmetrix 6 - 1 ixion martin (Chelsea (women) - Manchester United (women))
> Mark 0 - 5 Werner Pichler (Manchester City (women) - Arsenal (women))
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 6 3 6 6 0 3 Mark
> 5 3 7 2 5 3 Werner Pichler
> 4 3 8 6 2 3 Futbolmetrix
> 1 3 2 9 -7 3 ixion martin
>
> FMUPTFC doesn't have problems scoring goals, but it need to tighten up its defense.
>
>
> Tier 2
> ----
> milivella 1 - 6 The Doctor (Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women))
> Jackson 3 - 0 Jesus Petry (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 5 3 4 1 3 3 Jackson
> 4 3 7 4 3 2 The Doctor
> 4 3 4 8 -4 3 milivella
> 3 3 4 6 -2 3 Jesus Petry
>
> Quckie comment: bwhahaha!
>
>
>
> Tier 3
> ----
> Lassie 3 - 4 Jesper Lauridsen (Hartberg - Austria Vienna)
> MH 3 - 0 Homer Simpson (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 7 3 7 1 6 3 MH
> 4 3 5 6 -1 2 Jesper Lauridsen
> 3 3 4 6 -2 3 Homer Simpson
> 3 3 6 9 -3 3 Lassie
>
> Tier 3 managers knew to stay away from the women's matches.

I did specify Arsenal women as my second choice, but the nice thing
about Homer is that you can strategically force him to make a certain
pick (by picking one home team and one away), though of course you can
end up with egg on your face if you get it wrong.

>
>
>
>
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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:26 UTC

In article <6d4f42e9-bd2f-4597-ba30-b7349fb7c6dbn@googlegroups.com>,
Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 10:21:32 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:12 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 11:31:12 AM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>> > > UPT is an equal opportunity tipping game. Space to the ladies!
>> > Does it have to be english teams though?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 48 - League (AUT) Matchday
>3 (2021-09-25 and 2021-09-26)
>> > >
>> > > What to do
>> > > -----------
>> > >
>> > > If you don't play in Tier 3, you can also cast your vote for
>Lassie's pick!
>> > >
>> > > Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
>> > >
>> > > *Home*
>> > > - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2021-09-22, 23:59 GMT)
>> > > =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
>> > >
>> > > *Away*
>> > > =- After the beginning of Thursday, (or even sooner, if the home
>player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on
>Saturday, 2021-09-25
>> > > - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they
>haven't picked any team, you have free choice; if she is Lassie and
>there is a tie, diregard the last vote)
>> > > =- their opponents will represent your opponent
>> > >
>> > > (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the
>home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a
>team, teams are assigned randomly.)
>> > >
>> > > Fixtures
>> > > --------
>> > >
>> > > Tier 1
>> > >
>> > > Futbolmetrix - ixion martin
>> > > Hartberg - Austria Vienna
>> > > Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women)
>> > >
>> > > Mark - Werner Pichler
>> > > Rapid Vienna - Sturm Graz
>> > > Arsenal (women) - Manchester City (women)
>> > >
>> > Sturm Graz
>> > Manchester City
>> Can't go against my team, and can't under absolutely any circumstances
>go for Rapid, so that's a double whammy.
>>
>> Arsenal WFC it is then. Go Zinsi!
>
>It's been a good day for Arsenal.
>
>Ciao,
>Werner

In all cases!
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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:28 UTC

In article <8d831605-5193-415e-8cb9-3070babe59d5n@googlegroups.com>,
Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
>> It's been a good day for Arsenal.
>>
>
>In hindsight, picking the WSL matches was not such a good idea. City has
>a bunch of stars, but they are nowhere near the level of Arsenal and
>Chelsea. And United are a further notch below.
>
>Oh well...
>
>MD3 results and standings:
>
>Tier 1
>----
> Futbolmetrix 6 - 1 ixion martin (Chelsea (women) - Manchester United (women))
> Mark 0 - 5 Werner Pichler (Manchester City (women) - Arsenal (women))
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 6 3 6 6 0 3 Mark
> 5 3 7 2 5 3 Werner Pichler
> 4 3 8 6 2 3 Futbolmetrix
> 1 3 2 9 -7 3 ixion martin
>
>FMUPTFC doesn't have problems scoring goals, but it need to tighten up
>its defense.
>
>
>Tier 2
>----
> milivella 1 - 6 The Doctor (Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women))
> Jackson 3 - 0 Jesus Petry (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 5 3 4 1 3 3 Jackson
> 4 3 7 4 3 2 The Doctor
> 4 3 4 8 -4 3 milivella
> 3 3 4 6 -2 3 Jesus Petry
>
>Quckie comment: bwhahaha!
>
>

I know English Football!

>
>Tier 3
>----
> Lassie 3 - 4 Jesper Lauridsen (Hartberg - Austria Vienna)
> MH 3 - 0 Homer Simpson (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 7 3 7 1 6 3 MH
> 4 3 5 6 -1 2 Jesper Lauridsen
> 3 3 4 6 -2 3 Homer Simpson
> 3 3 6 9 -3 3 Lassie
>
>Tier 3 managers knew to stay away from the women's matches.
>
>
>
>
>

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On 2021-09-26, Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Lassie 3 - 4 Jesper Lauridsen (Hartberg - Austria Vienna)

As Lassie can confirm, I picked Chelsea.

> Tier 3 managers knew to stay away from the women's matches.

Not when there's free GD for the taking.

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 18:12 UTC

On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 1:30:24 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
> On 2021-09-26, Futbolmetrix <> wrote:
> >
> > Lassie 3 - 4 Jesper Lauridsen (Hartberg - Austria Vienna)
> As Lassie can confirm, I picked Chelsea.

Hm...

Who had ever heard of Chelsea referred to as the Pensioners?

On the other hand, Austria Vienna plays at the Generali Arena, an insurance company that specializes, among other things, in old age pensions.

And there I was, itching to get back at Jesper for not accepting my Bundesliga prediction ... and I'll have to concede defeat.
Gamemastering sucks.

I'll fix the scores and standings.

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On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:12:29 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> I'll fix the scores and standings.

Corrected scores and standings:

Tier 1
----
Futbolmetrix 6 - 1 ixion martin (Chelsea (women) - Manchester United (women))
Mark 0 - 5 Werner Pichler (Manchester City (women) - Arsenal (women))


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
6 3 6 6 0 3 Mark
5 3 7 2 5 3 Werner Pichler
4 3 8 6 2 3 Futbolmetrix
1 3 2 9 -7 3 ixion martin


Tier 2
----
milivella 1 - 6 The Doctor (Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women))
Jackson 3 - 0 Jesus Petry (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
5 3 4 1 3 3 Jackson
4 3 7 4 3 2 The Doctor
4 3 4 8 -4 3 milivella
3 3 4 6 -2 3 Jesus Petry


Tier 3
----
Lassie 1 - 6 Jesper Lauridsen (Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women))
MH 3 - 0 Homer Simpson (Sturm Graz - Rapid Vienna)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
7 3 7 1 6 3 MH
4 3 7 4 3 2 Jesper Lauridsen
3 3 4 6 -2 3 Homer Simpson
3 3 4 11 -7 3 Lassie

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Futbolmetrix:

> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 2:12:29 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
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>> I'll fix the scores and standings.

Can't you fix them a little more?

Please?

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On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 10:37:35 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

> >
> In hindsight, picking the WSL matches was not such a good idea. City has a bunch of stars, but they are nowhere near the level of Arsenal and Chelsea. And United are a further notch below.
>
You could try the German or French women's leagues, or the NWSL.

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On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 5:11:44 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:35:13 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:12 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 11:31:12 AM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > > UPT is an equal opportunity tipping game. Space to the ladies!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Fixtures
> > > > --------
> > > >
> > > > Tier 1
> > > >
> > > > Futbolmetrix - ixion martin
> > > > Hartberg - Austria Vienna
> > > > Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women)
> > > >
> > > > Mark - Werner Pichler
> > > > Rapid Vienna - Sturm Graz
> > > > Arsenal (women) - Manchester City (women)
> > > >
> > > Sturm Graz
> > > Manchester City
> > >
> > > Who are WSG Tirol? Are they anything to do with FC Tirol who went bankrupt about 20 years ago?
> >
> > How much time do you have?
> It is an interesting story, I think.
>
>
> 'WSG' now stands for 'Wattener Sportgemeinschaft'. Wattens is a small city of 8,000 people,
> but also home to the Swarovski glass works who have always been a big player in Tyrolean (and
> by extension Austrian) football.
>
> Wattens is also situated not far from Innsbruck, the capital of Tyrol, whose main team is Wacker
> Innsbruck.
>
> Both teams have gone through many permutations through the years, but basically Wacker
> and Wattens are frenemies.
>
>
> Wacker were founded in 1913 or 1915 (sources differ), but let's begin the story in 1964 when
> they became the first team from Tyrol to ever qualify for the top flight. A year later, LASK (from Linz)
> became the first non-Viennese club to ever win the Austrian championship, and Wacker soon followed
> their lead, finishing runners-up twice before finally winning their first title in the 1970/71 season.
>
> In the meantime, Wattens had become Swarovski's company team (originally the 'WSG'
> moniker meant 'Werkssportgemeinschaft') and also got promoted to the Austrian top division
> in 1967/68. But the spectre of an ill-conceived league reform was looming - the Austrian FA
> planned on reducing the number of teams from 16 to 10 while trying to maintain a strict
> 'geographical parity' by only allowing in exactly one team from each of the nine Austrian provinces
> (and two from Vienna). They pulled it through starting with the 1974/75 season, but the absurdity
> of the scheme quickly became apparent as LASK were the 'scheduled' Upper Austrian team, but
> it was their cross-city rivals VÖEST (the company team of the local steel works) who became the
> 1973/74 Austrian champions (in the end, both VÖEST and LASK were allowed to participate, and
> poor little Vorarlberg, always the half-Swiss afterthought, got shafted).
>
> Anyway, with that reform in the works, Wacker and Wattens decided to pool their ressources, and
> merged their senior teams into a 'Spielgemeinschaft Swarovski Wattens-Wacker Innsbruck',
> or 'SSW Innsbruck' in short, also the first time that 'Swarovski' became part of the team name.
> Wattens brought a number of renowned players into the marriage, and the combined team
> became the main force in Austrian football in the 70's, winning the title four more times (and
> finishing runners-up twice), before suffering a shock relegation in 1978/79.
>
> It took two years for them to come back, and in the early 80's SSW Innsbruck were a middling
> team with ever increasing financial problems. So in 1986 Swarovski CEO Gernot Langes-Swarovski
> took matters into his own hands - the merger between Wacker and Wattens was dissolved
> (both continued as amateur teams in the lower leagues, where they both had also kept separate
> presences during all those years of the merger), and a new club with a new name and new colours
> (basically Red Bull long before Red Bull - but don't ever tell that to Tyrolean football fans, they'll
> get mad) called FC Swarovski Tirol (for the first time trying to represent the entire province also
> in name) took over the Bundesliga licence.
>
> Success was almost immediate - two more league titles, and they reached the semifinal of the
> 1986/87 UEFA Cup where they lost against IFK Göteborg. But in the late 80's some imprudent
> acquisitions got Swarovski (the glass company) into financial trouble, and they had to scale
> down their investments. For one season, 'Wacker Innsbruck' returned, but in 1993 a new entity
> was split off, again with new colours - initially called 'FC Innsbruck Tirol', and later 'FC Tirol Innsbruck',
> with big promises from 'new investors' who splayed around a lot of money to win the 2000, 2001,
> and 2002 Austrian titles (that last one with Jogi Löw as manager) before it all turned out to have
> been a huge, unsustainable, and ultimately fraudulent gamble (in the end, only Champions League
> millions could - perhaps - have kept them afloat, and they always lost in the qualifiers, another RB
> similarity). The one person who probably suffered the biggest individual losses was Gernot Langes-
> Swarovski, who at the behest of his 'good friends' on the FC Tirol board in vain poured a lot of his
> own money into a club that was in fact rotten to the core.
>
> Anyway, after the big crash FC Tirol was dissolved, and a new club called FC Wacker Tirol (not
> Innsbruck, initially) was re-founded in 2002. In order to avoid having to start afresh from the
> lowermost level, following some political pressure they immediately entered another merger
> with their old partners from Wattens (who, with Gernot Langes-Swarovski as their president,
> had always continued to play in the second or third division), and within two years they were back in
> the Austrian Bundesliga (dissolving the merger with Wattens once it was no longer needed).
>
> Having gone through purgatory, Wacker also became a much-more ultrà-minded club, and, with the
> failure of all those 'Tirol' pretensions outlined above in mind, began to stress their status as a purely
> Innsbruck team, changing the name to FC Wacker Innsbruck in 2007. But with no strong financial
> backing (FC Tirol's financial disaster still being very much on any potential local investor's mind,
> even to this day) they have basically been a yo-yo club ever since, albeit one with quite a lot of hardcore
> fans.
>
> In the meantime, Gernot Langes-Swarovski in 2013 handed the reins of Wattens to his daughter
> Diana, and, to put it bluntly, the lady is out for revenge. Eschewing any connection to Wacker, who
> in her mind are the heirs to those who swindled her father (who, long sick, has died earlier this year)
> she helped Wattens rise back through the ranks, and in 2019 her dreams must have come true -
> Wattens got promoted to the top level at the same time that Wacker Innsbruck got relegated.
>
> Moving into Innsbruck's stadium (the one in Wattens no longer adequate for the top level) Diana
> Langes-Swarovski changed the club name into WSG Tirol in an evident ploy to oust Wacker and claim
> the allegiance of the province, and despite a last twist in the tale as Swarovski (the company) are again
> in financial difficulties and this summer dropped their name sponsorship, this is where we stand today.
> Diana is quite the astute president with a lot of personal connections that help the club stay afloat
> (such as good contacts to the Agnellis, which led to Baden Fredriksen last year and Giacomo Vrioni this
> year joining Wattens on loan from Juve), but there's one little problem - WSG Tirol have almost no fans
> whatsoever, and certainly no organized ones. Attendance numbers are pitiful.
>
> So you know what would make sense? A merger. But Wacker fans hate Wattens/Tirol, and Diana hates
> Wacker.
>
>
> Did that answer your question?

Update:

After a strong spring season, WSG Tirol (Wattens) are now playing a two-legged playoff (today/Sunday) against
Rapid Wien that determines Austria's fifth European spot and qualification to the Europa Conference League
2nd Qualifying Round. Would be Wattens's first ever European adventure. Juve loanee Vrioni has been brilliant for
them in the league, scoring 18 goals, just one fewer than 30m€ man Karim Adeyemi.

Wacker Innsbruck meanwhile got caught up (again...) in an ever accelerating downward spiral of financial
mismanagement and dubious investors. They will be forced to declare bankruptcy, and have been denied a licence
for the 2nd division next year. The question now is whether or not they'll be able to continue at the 3rd, regional,
level. It's possible that they will have to re-start far lower, if they get off the ground once more at all.


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On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 4:23:08 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 5:11:44 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:35:13 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:21:12 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 11:31:12 AM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > > > UPT is an equal opportunity tipping game. Space to the ladies!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fixtures
> > > > > --------
> > > > >
> > > > > Tier 1
> > > > >
> > > > > Futbolmetrix - ixion martin
> > > > > Hartberg - Austria Vienna
> > > > > Manchester United (women) - Chelsea (women)
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark - Werner Pichler
> > > > > Rapid Vienna - Sturm Graz
> > > > > Arsenal (women) - Manchester City (women)
> > > > >
> > > > Sturm Graz
> > > > Manchester City
> > > >
> > > > Who are WSG Tirol? Are they anything to do with FC Tirol who went bankrupt about 20 years ago?
> > >
> > > How much time do you have?
> > It is an interesting story, I think.
> >
> >
> > 'WSG' now stands for 'Wattener Sportgemeinschaft'. Wattens is a small city of 8,000 people,
> > but also home to the Swarovski glass works who have always been a big player in Tyrolean (and
> > by extension Austrian) football.
> >
> > Wattens is also situated not far from Innsbruck, the capital of Tyrol, whose main team is Wacker
> > Innsbruck.
> >
> > Both teams have gone through many permutations through the years, but basically Wacker
> > and Wattens are frenemies.
> >
> >
> > Wacker were founded in 1913 or 1915 (sources differ), but let's begin the story in 1964 when
> > they became the first team from Tyrol to ever qualify for the top flight. A year later, LASK (from Linz)
> > became the first non-Viennese club to ever win the Austrian championship, and Wacker soon followed
> > their lead, finishing runners-up twice before finally winning their first title in the 1970/71 season.
> >
> > In the meantime, Wattens had become Swarovski's company team (originally the 'WSG'
> > moniker meant 'Werkssportgemeinschaft') and also got promoted to the Austrian top division
> > in 1967/68. But the spectre of an ill-conceived league reform was looming - the Austrian FA
> > planned on reducing the number of teams from 16 to 10 while trying to maintain a strict
> > 'geographical parity' by only allowing in exactly one team from each of the nine Austrian provinces
> > (and two from Vienna). They pulled it through starting with the 1974/75 season, but the absurdity
> > of the scheme quickly became apparent as LASK were the 'scheduled' Upper Austrian team, but
> > it was their cross-city rivals VÖEST (the company team of the local steel works) who became the
> > 1973/74 Austrian champions (in the end, both VÖEST and LASK were allowed to participate, and
> > poor little Vorarlberg, always the half-Swiss afterthought, got shafted).
> >
> > Anyway, with that reform in the works, Wacker and Wattens decided to pool their ressources, and
> > merged their senior teams into a 'Spielgemeinschaft Swarovski Wattens-Wacker Innsbruck',
> > or 'SSW Innsbruck' in short, also the first time that 'Swarovski' became part of the team name.
> > Wattens brought a number of renowned players into the marriage, and the combined team
> > became the main force in Austrian football in the 70's, winning the title four more times (and
> > finishing runners-up twice), before suffering a shock relegation in 1978/79.
> >
> > It took two years for them to come back, and in the early 80's SSW Innsbruck were a middling
> > team with ever increasing financial problems. So in 1986 Swarovski CEO Gernot Langes-Swarovski
> > took matters into his own hands - the merger between Wacker and Wattens was dissolved
> > (both continued as amateur teams in the lower leagues, where they both had also kept separate
> > presences during all those years of the merger), and a new club with a new name and new colours
> > (basically Red Bull long before Red Bull - but don't ever tell that to Tyrolean football fans, they'll
> > get mad) called FC Swarovski Tirol (for the first time trying to represent the entire province also
> > in name) took over the Bundesliga licence.
> >
> > Success was almost immediate - two more league titles, and they reached the semifinal of the
> > 1986/87 UEFA Cup where they lost against IFK Göteborg. But in the late 80's some imprudent
> > acquisitions got Swarovski (the glass company) into financial trouble, and they had to scale
> > down their investments. For one season, 'Wacker Innsbruck' returned, but in 1993 a new entity
> > was split off, again with new colours - initially called 'FC Innsbruck Tirol', and later 'FC Tirol Innsbruck',
> > with big promises from 'new investors' who splayed around a lot of money to win the 2000, 2001,
> > and 2002 Austrian titles (that last one with Jogi Löw as manager) before it all turned out to have
> > been a huge, unsustainable, and ultimately fraudulent gamble (in the end, only Champions League
> > millions could - perhaps - have kept them afloat, and they always lost in the qualifiers, another RB
> > similarity). The one person who probably suffered the biggest individual losses was Gernot Langes-
> > Swarovski, who at the behest of his 'good friends' on the FC Tirol board in vain poured a lot of his
> > own money into a club that was in fact rotten to the core.
> >
> > Anyway, after the big crash FC Tirol was dissolved, and a new club called FC Wacker Tirol (not
> > Innsbruck, initially) was re-founded in 2002. In order to avoid having to start afresh from the
> > lowermost level, following some political pressure they immediately entered another merger
> > with their old partners from Wattens (who, with Gernot Langes-Swarovski as their president,
> > had always continued to play in the second or third division), and within two years they were back in
> > the Austrian Bundesliga (dissolving the merger with Wattens once it was no longer needed).
> >
> > Having gone through purgatory, Wacker also became a much-more ultrà-minded club, and, with the
> > failure of all those 'Tirol' pretensions outlined above in mind, began to stress their status as a purely
> > Innsbruck team, changing the name to FC Wacker Innsbruck in 2007. But with no strong financial
> > backing (FC Tirol's financial disaster still being very much on any potential local investor's mind,
> > even to this day) they have basically been a yo-yo club ever since, albeit one with quite a lot of hardcore
> > fans.
> >
> > In the meantime, Gernot Langes-Swarovski in 2013 handed the reins of Wattens to his daughter
> > Diana, and, to put it bluntly, the lady is out for revenge. Eschewing any connection to Wacker, who
> > in her mind are the heirs to those who swindled her father (who, long sick, has died earlier this year)
> > she helped Wattens rise back through the ranks, and in 2019 her dreams must have come true -
> > Wattens got promoted to the top level at the same time that Wacker Innsbruck got relegated.
> >
> > Moving into Innsbruck's stadium (the one in Wattens no longer adequate for the top level) Diana
> > Langes-Swarovski changed the club name into WSG Tirol in an evident ploy to oust Wacker and claim
> > the allegiance of the province, and despite a last twist in the tale as Swarovski (the company) are again
> > in financial difficulties and this summer dropped their name sponsorship, this is where we stand today.
> > Diana is quite the astute president with a lot of personal connections that help the club stay afloat
> > (such as good contacts to the Agnellis, which led to Baden Fredriksen last year and Giacomo Vrioni this
> > year joining Wattens on loan from Juve), but there's one little problem - WSG Tirol have almost no fans
> > whatsoever, and certainly no organized ones. Attendance numbers are pitiful.
> >
> > So you know what would make sense? A merger. But Wacker fans hate Wattens/Tirol, and Diana hates
> > Wacker.
> >
> >
> > Did that answer your question?
> Update:
>
> After a strong spring season, WSG Tirol (Wattens) are now playing a two-legged playoff (today/Sunday) against
> Rapid Wien that determines Austria's fifth European spot and qualification to the Europa Conference League
> 2nd Qualifying Round. Would be Wattens's first ever European adventure. Juve loanee Vrioni has been brilliant for
> them in the league, scoring 18 goals, just one fewer than 30m€ man Karim Adeyemi.


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