If Binder can have a post about the start of the men's season, I can have one about the start of the women's season.

Lyon are top of the table after 1 game. Montpellier are joint 2nd. PSG are only joint 5th, out of 12. Oh and Sara Dabritz scored on what was presumably her debut for Lyon.

The Frauen Bundesliga starts this weekend. The 'tie of the round' is probably Eintracht Frankfurt v Bayern Munchen.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 12:37:29 PM UTC+1, Mark wrote:
> If Binder can have a post about the start of the men's season, I can have one about the start of the women's season.
>
> Lyon are top of the table after 1 game. Montpellier are joint 2nd. PSG are only joint 5th, out of 12. Oh and Sara Dabritz scored on what was presumably her debut for Lyon.
>
> The Frauen Bundesliga starts this weekend. The 'tie of the round' is probably Eintracht Frankfurt v Bayern Munchen.

PSG, Lyon and Montpellier are the only teams in France that won both their 1st 2 games.

Eintracht Frankfurt v Bayern Munchen was a 0-0 draw. Wolfsburg won 4-0 and are top after 1 game.

I didn't know until a few days ago that there had been games played in the DFB Pokal. All the top teams comfortably through except Turbine Potsdam, who drew 4-4 with Viktoria Berlin and needed a penalty shoot-out to go through. Turbine Potsdam also only drew their 1st League match, 1-1 away against Werder Bremen, so not a good start to the season for Turbine Potsdam.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:58:08 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
> I didn't know until a few days ago that there had been games played in the DFB Pokal. All the top teams comfortably through except Turbine Potsdam, who drew 4-4 with Viktoria Berlin and needed a penalty shoot-out to go through. Turbine Potsdam also only drew their 1st League match, 1-1 away against Werder Bremen, so not a good start to the season for Turbine Potsdam.

In Italy, Juve was held to a 3-3 draw by Inter (Girelli put Juve ahead in the 90th minutes, Inter equalized in the 93rd), then went on to beat Roma 1-0 with a team missing all of its regular central defenders. After three rounds, Fiorentina and Samp lead the table with 9 points, followed by Juve and Inter with 7. Milan, who lost its two tough opening matches to Fiorentina and Roma is on 3 points.

Today Round 2 of the Champions League qualifying round kicks off. Some interesting matchups, including PSG-Hacken, Koge-Juventus, Real Sociedad-Bayern and Arsenal-Ajax. Sparta Praha-Roma is maybe not as high profile, but will be critical for determining future CL slots.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:10:04 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Today Round 2 of the Champions League qualifying round kicks off. Some interesting matchups, including PSG-Hacken,
> Koge-Juventus, Real Sociedad-Bayern and Arsenal-Ajax. Sparta Praha-Roma is maybe not as high profile, but will be critical
> for determining future CL slots.

First legs:
FT: Koge - Juventus 1-1
FT: Real Sociedad - Bayern 0-1

61' : Arsenal - Ajax 2-1
61': Rangers - Benfica 2-2

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:49:50 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:10:04 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> 61' : Arsenal - Ajax 2-1

Ajax went on to equalize, 2-2. Even without the AGR, they are now looking good to qualify. Interesting how, despite the success of the Lionesses, WSL outfits continue to disappoint (Man City was kicked out by Real Madrid in the first qualifying round).

> 61': Rangers - Benfica 2-2

FT: 2-3

> Sparta Praha-Roma is maybe not as high profile, but will be critical
> for determining future CL slots.

FT: 1-2
Big away win for Roma, who turned it around in the last 15 minutes after going down 1-0. Daje!

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 2:49:59 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:49:50 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:10:04 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> > 61' : Arsenal - Ajax 2-1
> Ajax went on to equalize, 2-2. Even without the AGR, they are now looking good to qualify. Interesting how, despite the success of the Lionesses, WSL outfits continue to disappoint (Man City was kicked out by Real Madrid in the first qualifying round).
> > 61': Rangers - Benfica 2-2
> FT: 2-3
> > Sparta Praha-Roma is maybe not as high profile, but will be critical
> > for determining future CL slots.
> FT: 1-2
> Big away win for Roma, who turned it around in the last 15 minutes after going down 1-0. Daje!

PSG - Hacken 2-1

PSG needed to wait until the 86th minute before finally getting the better of the Swedes

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:10:04 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> > Today Round 2 of the Champions League qualifying round kicks off. Some interesting matchups, including PSG-Hacken,
> > Koge-Juventus, Real Sociedad-Bayern and Arsenal-Ajax. Sparta Praha-Roma is maybe not as high profile, but will be critical
> > for determining future CL slots.
> First legs:
> FT: Koge - Juventus 1-1
> FT: Real Sociedad - Bayern 0-1
>
> 61' : Arsenal - Ajax 2-1
> 61': Rangers - Benfica 2-2

2nd legs:

Slavia Prague (ousting Valur, another nail in Iceland's traditional role as a power in women's football)
and Vllaznia Shkodra (with four Americans in the team!) the first two teams to make it through the qualifiers.
Hope St. Pölten can follow suit.

Ciao,
Werner

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:57:50 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:10:04 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >
> > > Today Round 2 of the Champions League qualifying round kicks off. Some interesting matchups, including PSG-Hacken,
> > > Koge-Juventus, Real Sociedad-Bayern and Arsenal-Ajax. Sparta Praha-Roma is maybe not as high profile, but will be critical
> > > for determining future CL slots.
> > First legs:
> > FT: Koge - Juventus 1-1
> > FT: Real Sociedad - Bayern 0-1
> >
> > 61' : Arsenal - Ajax 2-1
> > 61': Rangers - Benfica 2-2
> 2nd legs:
>
> Slavia Prague (ousting Valur, another nail in Iceland's traditional role as a power in women's football)
> and Vllaznia Shkodra (with four Americans in the team!) the first two teams to make it through the qualifiers.
> Hope St. Pölten can follow suit.

St. Pölten made it through thanks to Mateja Zver's sweet 118th-minute volley. They won't have a snowball's chance in hell in
the group stage (nevertheless, it's the second time they reach the last 16 in Europe), but it's still quite the important step for
the development of our women's league .

OTOH not the best evening for KuPS, their men's team also all but threw away their chances for the Finnish title today.

No surprises so far in the other matches. Zürich, Rosengård, PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid all won to qualify.

Ciao,
Werner

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
> No surprises so far in the other matches. Zürich, Rosengård, PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid all won to qualify.

Arsenal had been given a bit of a scare in the first leg, but a goal by Viv Mediema sends them through.

Juve took care of business against Køge at home: 2-0, one goal per half, after a 1-1 away draw. A classic of two-legged European ties!

Rangers with an 87th minute goal away to Benfica to force extra-time

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:22:52 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
> > No surprises so far in the other matches. Zürich, Rosengård, PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid all won to qualify.
> Arsenal had been given a bit of a scare in the first leg, but a goal by Viv Mediema sends them through.
>
> Juve took care of business against Køge at home: 2-0, one goal per half, after a 1-1 away draw. A classic of two-legged European ties!
>
> Rangers with an 87th minute goal away to Benfica to force extra-time

Who are the favourites for the Champions League? Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, and Wolfsburg?

Meanwhile, in the domestic Leagues, Lyon won away against Montpellier 3-1 and Lyon and PSG are now the only teams in the French League that have won all their matches. Wolfsburg won away against Hoffenheim (2-1 I think), and we have a top of the table clash this weekend: Wolfsburg v Bayer Leverkusen; with Bayern Munchen waiting to take over 2nd place from whoever loses that match. Turbine Potsdam lost 3-0 at home, I think it was against MSV Duisburg, in their 2nd League match. So a bad start to the season for us.

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 9:32:18 AM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:22:52 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
> >
> > > No surprises so far in the other matches. Zürich, Rosengård, PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid all won to qualify.
> > Arsenal had been given a bit of a scare in the first leg, but a goal by Viv Mediema sends them through.
> >
> > Juve took care of business against Køge at home: 2-0, one goal per half, after a 1-1 away draw. A classic of two-legged
> > European ties!
> >
> > Rangers with an 87th minute goal away to Benfica to force extra-time
>
> Who are the favourites for the Champions League? Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, and Wolfsburg?
>
> Meanwhile, in the domestic Leagues, Lyon won away against Montpellier 3-1 and Lyon and PSG are now the only teams in
> the French League that have won all their matches.

Not hugely surprising considering that - with one single exception - neither Lyon nor PSG have lost a game in the league
that was not against each other in the last five years.

It does make me wonder - you often claim to be very sensitive to the inequalities inherent in today's men's game,
but are you willfully blind to even worse inequalities when the women are concerned?

Ciao,
Werner

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:22:52 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
> > No surprises so far in the other matches. Zürich, Rosengård, PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid all won to qualify.
> Arsenal had been given a bit of a scare in the first leg, but a goal by Viv Mediema sends them through.
>
> Juve took care of business against Køge at home: 2-0, one goal per half, after a 1-1 away draw. A classic of two-legged European ties!
>
> Rangers with an 87th minute goal away to Benfica to force extra-time

In the end Benfica scored two in extra time to advance to the group stages for a second year in a row.

85th minute: Roma - Sparta Prague 4-1 (aggregate 6-2)

A comprehensive win for Roma, and if I understand correctly, one with massive consequences for the UEFA coefficients and the allocation of teams in future editions of the UWCL (Italy makes it into the top 6 and gets three teams in the CL next year?)

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:

> Who are the favourites for the Champions League? Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, and Wolfsburg?

Lyon, PSG and Barca likely a step above the others. Wolfsburg, Bayern a step behind. Then the English teams. Then the Italians and Real Madrid.

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:48:20 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

> It does make me wonder - you often claim to be very sensitive to the inequalities inherent in today's men's game,
> but are you willfully blind to even worse inequalities when the women are concerned?

It's the influence of TV (TV stations dictating kick-off times for instance) and money that I don't like. Eg the way the big clubs have abused their financial muscle to gain unfair advantages in the Champions League. The inequalities are just a symptom of that; it's not the inequalities in themselves that bother me.

It might be just that I don't know enough about the financial side of football, or about women's football, to be aware of it, but as far as I'm aware the inequalities in women's football have little, if anything, to do with money.

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:47:35 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:

> It might be just that I don't know enough about the financial side of football, or about women's football, to be aware of it, but as far as I'm aware the inequalities in women's football have little, if anything, to do with money.

Of course it has everything to do with money. The big (men's) clubs realized that they can make a wee bit of money on the side with the women's game. All they needed was to allocate a small fraction of their budget to the women's team to create domestic superteams.

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:24:53 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
>
> > Who are the favourites for the Champions League? Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, and Wolfsburg?
> Lyon, PSG and Barca likely a step above the others. Wolfsburg, Bayern a step behind. Then the English teams. Then the Italians and Real Madrid.

Champions League group stage draw:

Group A
Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid, KFF Vllaznia

Group B
Wolfsburg, Slavia, St Polten, Roma

Group C
Lyon, Arsenal, Juventus, FC Zurich

Group D
Barcelona, Bayern, Rosengard, Benfica

Tough group for Juve, a chance for Roma to advance?

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 11:59:22 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:24:53 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
> >
> > > Who are the favourites for the Champions League? Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, and Wolfsburg?
> > Lyon, PSG and Barca likely a step above the others. Wolfsburg, Bayern a step behind. Then the English teams. Then the Italians and Real Madrid.
> Champions League group stage draw:
>
> Group A
> Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid, KFF Vllaznia

One of these is not like the others.

> Group B
> Wolfsburg, Slavia, St Polten, Roma

Not entirely the high-profile draw St. Pölten were hoping for, but maybe they can get something
against Slavia's mostly Czech squad.

> Group C
> Lyon, Arsenal, Juventus, FC Zurich
>
> Group D
> Barcelona, Bayern, Rosengard, Benfica

For me the most interesting group. If the Portuguese ladies ever manage to convert
their undeniable technical skill into goals...

>
> Tough group for Juve, a chance for Roma to advance?

Yeah, they should be the favourites to get the second spot.

CIao,
Werner

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:48:20 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 9:32:18 AM UTC+2, Mark wrote:

> >
> > Meanwhile, in the domestic Leagues, Lyon won away against Montpellier 3-1 and Lyon and PSG are now the only teams in
> > the French League that have won all their matches.
> Not hugely surprising considering that - with one single exception - neither Lyon nor PSG have lost a game in the league
> that was not against each other in the last five years.
>

Lyon are going to win the French League. PSG are the first of the 2 teams to drop points. They drew 2-2 away against Le Havre, while Lyon won again.

Wolfsburg beat Bayer Leverkusen 6-1, and Bayern Munchen and Eintracht Frankfurt are 2nd and 3rd. The only unpredictable thing about the Frauen Bundesliga is that Hoffenheim and Turbine Potsdam are both in the bottom half of the table. Turbine Potsdam lost again! and are 10th, out of 12. What's going wrong?

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:22:14 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:48:20 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 9:32:18 AM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, in the domestic Leagues, Lyon won away against Montpellier 3-1 and Lyon and PSG are now the only teams in
> > > the French League that have won all their matches.
> > Not hugely surprising considering that - with one single exception - neither Lyon nor PSG have lost a game in the league
> > that was not against each other in the last five years.
> >
> Lyon are going to win the French League. PSG are the first of the 2 teams to drop points. They drew 2-2 away against Le Havre, while Lyon won again.
>
> Wolfsburg beat Bayer Leverkusen 6-1, and Bayern Munchen and Eintracht Frankfurt are 2nd and 3rd. The only unpredictable
> thing about the Frauen Bundesliga is that Hoffenheim and Turbine Potsdam are both in the bottom half of the table. Turbine
> Potsdam lost again! and are 10th, out of 12. What's going wrong?

Can't you guess? Unlike most of their domestic competition, they don't have the structures and
finances of a men's Bundesliga club behind them, so despite their head start they've been slowly
but surely losing ground season by season.

Ciao,
Werner

On 2022-09-28, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OTOH not the best evening for KuPS, their men's team also all but
> threw away their chances for the Finnish title today.

But they did win the cup. Which unfortunately opens the door for Haka
to the conference league. Bleeping Veikkausliiga.

Jaro is into a promotion playoff (4 teams competing for one spot?)

On 2022-09-29, Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:32:18 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
>
>> Who are the favourites for the Champions League? Lyon, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen, and Wolfsburg?
>
> Lyon, PSG and Barca likely a step above the others.

It would be a huge upset if one of those 3 didn't win it. It would
even be a big upset if an outside team managed to knock any of those 3 out.

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 5:59:22 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> Group D
> Barcelona, Bayern, Rosengard, Benfica
>

UWCL started today with the group C and D matches. FT scores

Bayern-Rosengard 2-1 Bayern had to come from behind
Barcelona - Benfica 9-0 There goes my theory that Benfica could have been a dark horse.

> Group C
> Lyon, Arsenal, Juventus, FC Zurich

FC Zurich - Juventus 0-2 Juve needed two late goal to get the better of the Swiss champs

and that leaves the highest-profile match of the day: perennial European champs Lyon hosting Arsenal, representatives of the very underwhelming WSL. Full time score:
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Shades of England-USA at the 1950 World Cup, is it possible that all the websites had a typo here?

Unless Lyon are really bad (which I don't think is the case), this result makes it reallt difficult for Juve to advance from its group :-(

In article <f8beb0e8-9fba-4ef8-85c3-f2841ca15b97n@googlegroups.com>,
Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 5:59:22 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
>>
>> Group D
>> Barcelona, Bayern, Rosengard, Benfica
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>
>UWCL started today with the group C and D matches. FT scores
>
>Bayern-Rosengard 2-1 Bayern had to come from behind
>Barcelona - Benfica 9-0 There goes my theory that Benfica could
>have been a dark horse.
>
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>
>> Group C
>> Lyon, Arsenal, Juventus, FC Zurich
>
>FC Zurich - Juventus 0-2 Juve needed two late goal to get the better
>of the Swiss champs
>
>and that leaves the highest-profile match of the day: perennial European
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>Shades of England-USA at the 1950 World Cup, is it possible that all the
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>Unless Lyon are really bad (which I don't think is the case), this
>result makes it reallt difficult for Juve to advance from its group :-(
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On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 8:24:38 PM UTC+2, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
> On 2022-09-28, Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > OTOH not the best evening for KuPS, their men's team also all but
> > threw away their chances for the Finnish title today.
>
> But they did win the cup. Which unfortunately opens the door for Haka
> to the conference league. Bleeping Veikkausliiga.
>
> Jaro is into a promotion playoff (4 teams competing for one spot?)

Jaro lost 0-4 against TPS in the 2nd play-off round and will therefore remain in Ykkönen.
Haka will play a two-legged play-off next week against either Oulu or VPS for a Conference League spot.

Ciao,
Werner

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:59:37 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 5:59:22 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>
> >
> > Group D
> > Barcelona, Bayern, Rosengard, Benfica
> >
> UWCL started today with the group C and D matches. FT scores
>
> Bayern-Rosengard 2-1 Bayern had to come from behind
> Barcelona - Benfica 9-0 There goes my theory that Benfica could have been a dark horse.
> > Group C
> > Lyon, Arsenal, Juventus, FC Zurich
> FC Zurich - Juventus 0-2 Juve needed two late goal to get the better of the Swiss champs
>
> and that leaves the highest-profile match of the day: perennial European champs Lyon hosting Arsenal, representatives of the very underwhelming WSL. Full time score:
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>
> Shades of England-USA at the 1950 World Cup, is it possible that all the websites had a typo here?
>
> Unless Lyon are really bad (which I don't think is the case), this result makes it reallt difficult for Juve to advance from its
> group :-(

Didn't watch it, but Lyon did have a couple of notable absences (Mbock, Marozsan, Däbritz, Hegerberg, Macario,...).

Nice to see that Zinsberger and Wienroither by all accounts had very good performances, following our World Cup
qualifying disappointment. Beth Mead apparently back to her Euro-winning best, too.

Ciao,
Werner