On 1/14/22 10:49 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:53:30 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/13/22 12:24 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:18:04 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/13/22 10:56 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 18:57:09 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/11/22 1:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:18:57 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/11/22 9:51 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:12:34 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/22 5:08 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:08:05 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/22 10:56 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:00:06 +0100, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/9/22 3:38 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/01/2022 12:42 pm, Tedros Fauci wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If unvaccinated, get put in "immigration hotel" with a bunch of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "asylum seekers" who are more accustomed to cockroaches and bed bugs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't bring your private chef either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your question doesn't make any sense as "anybody sane"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make that "BRAINWASHED "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double vaccinated and, by the Melbourne GP, likely boosted as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So Edmund is a conspiracy fueled ant-vaxxer ... gosh, who would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah another brainless conspiracy accuser, what conspiracy might that be sir?
>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI I have a number of vaccinations, do I qualify in your imaginary
>>>>>>>>>>>> world for ant-vaxxer whatever that might be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So why are you describing vaccinated people as BRAINWASHED ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try answering the question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your description of vaccinated people as BRAINWASHED
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read again what I said and to what I responded, this time without making
>>>>>>>> up your own brainless additions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ================================
>>>>>>> ~misfit~:
>>>>>>> "Your question doesn't make any sense as "anybody sane" [would already
>>>>>>> be double vaccinated and, by the Melbourne GP, likely boosted as
>>>>>>> well.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You:
>>>>>>> "Make that "BRAINWASHED"
>>>>>>> ===============================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel free to point out what part of your response I missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My reaction was to the one who claimed that everyone who is not boosted
>>>>>> is not sane.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then deal with that person without labelling me and people like me as
>>>>> BRAINWASHED.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't, you did that yourself.
>>>> What I said ( in one sentence ) that brainwashed people are vaccinated
>>>> and boosted, what I didn't say is that all vaccinated people where
>>>> brainwashed.
>>>
>>> Nope, as already explained to you, the OP, according to you, was
>>> including *everyone* in his claim. You simply changed the word "sane"
>>> to "BRAINWASHED" so your comment equally applied to *everyone*.
>>
>> Now why don't you write down that sentence, read it out loud and let is
>> sink in.
>> Maybe, just maybe you will found out that it then says BRAINWASHED
>> people are vaccinated.
>
> I don't know what that mental wriggling is supposed to achieve.

Think about it a little longer then, it isn't rocket science.
>
>>
>> Spoiler : that is not the same as vaccinated people are brainwashed.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> To be fair to you and seeing how you attack me, yup YOU are brainwashed.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So no matter if you are a healthy teenager with ZERO change of serious
>>>>>> health issues with Covid.
>>>>>> No matter if you already had covid and recovered and therefore have a
>>>>>> superior immunity compared to the "vaccines" that where made for the
>>>>>> extinguished versions of the Virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we have Omicron, which is like a cold after you have been vaccinated
>>>>>> or had a previous infection.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are almost 20K people in hospital with Covid right now in the UK
>>>>> alone. How many do you reckon are in hospital with the cold?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, in SA the hospitals are empty with a 20% vaccination rate.
>>>
>>> I'll rephrase my question. There are currently 8.5K people in hospital
>>> in South Africa with Covid [1]. Do you know anyone in hospital with
>>> the cold?
>>
>> Well at the moment I don't have friends in hospitals but I am 100% sure
>> there are people in hospitals which have a cold.
>
> I suspect few if any of them are were admitted *because* they have a
> cold.

You may suspect what you want, fact are people admitted with a broken
leg get tested, if positive they going in the records as Covid patients.
>
>> Doctors say that a high percentage of those
>> registered Covid patients where accidental, meaning they didn't even
>> knew they had it until they where tested in the hospital.
>> Still the numbers working out as 0.01% of the population.
>> Not many on ventilators and no long hospital stay.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covid-19/surveillance-reports/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No need for boosters at all although you have more change of getting it
>>>>>> at after 2 jabs, compared to no jabs of a booster :-).
>>>>>
>>>>> All the top medical experts state
>>>>
>>>> Starting with such a statement, is childish and make any discussion
>>>> impossible, are you aware of that?
>>>
>>> How so? If you have a medical problem do you go to a doctor or do you
>>> go looking for some self-declared expert on social media?
>>
>> Claiming something foolish as ALL TOP EXPERTS....
>> You really don't understand what is wrong with that?
>> If I can name one single expert who doesn't agree with your baseless
>> statement, what will you do, claiming it is a conspiracy theorist?
>
> Why don't you then.
>
>> How about the inventor of the mRNA technic?
>
> What about him?

It doesn't surprise me you don't even know.
Google it yourself, you may find it as long as google haven't deleted
him completely.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that the booster significantly
>>>>> increases protection and significantl* reduces the chances of
>>>>> hospitalisation.
>>>>
>>>> Pfizer you mean?
>>>> Can you show data of that? We are talking about Omicron now you know.
>>>
>>> How about the scientists in your own country:
>>>
>>> "The scientists [in South Africa] concluded that "previous infection,
>>> followed by vaccination - or likely a booster - is probably protective
>>> against omicron, and almost certainly against severe disease."
>>>
>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/covid-booster-dose-is-crucial-against-omicron-variant-heres-why.html
>>> The article summarises results from all around the world, all saying
>>> the same thing.
>>
>> Well as you can read, that article is remarkably vague and they use
>> terms as
>> "probably" and "almost" along with a couple obvious things like previous
>> infections in addition to boosters will likely improve protection.
>> They avoid naming the fact that SA shows that unvaccinated people
>> recover very well from Omicron.
>
> So long as they don't die from it.

Correct, now just for fun take a look at the facts in SA, what does that
tell you?
Empty hospitals, hardly any deaths and all that with a 20% vaccination rate.
What is your explanation?
>
> "WHO says omicron is life threatening for unvaccinated, elderly and
> people with underlying conditions.

I don't care what anyone says if it contradicts the plain facts.
>
> Dr. Mike Ryan, director of the WHO's health emergencies program, said
> omicron represents a "massive threat" to the lives of the
> unvaccinated."

He has the right to have an opinion too.
How about the previously infected?
Al figures I have seen are far less dramatic then the previous Mutations.

>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/who-says-omicron-is-life-threatening-for-unvaccinated-elderly-underlying-conditions.html

>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just like in F1, you reckon you know better than the
>>>>> qualified experts.
>>>>
>>>> Another off topic childish baseless labeling, are you aware of what you
>>>> are doing?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't said EVERYBODY who got jabbed and got a booster is brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've just said that the person you responded to claimed that
>>>>> everyone who is not boosted is not sane. You simply changed the word
>>>>> "sane" to BRAINWASHED which meant you too were referring to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, brainwashed people go blindly for boosters every month.
>>>
>>> I have an underlying cardiac condition for which I take 8 tablets
>>> every day. Does that make me brainwashed?
>>
>> No, that's not the reason, you have a very good reason for doing what
>> you do.
>> It's that part where you attack me and label me as a "conspiracy fueled
>> ant-vaxxer " that is what shows you are brainwashed.
>>>
>>>> Not every vaccinated human is brainwashed but you most certainly are.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are good reasons for some people to do so, there are equally good
>>>>>> reasons for a lot of people not to take boosters or no experimental jabs
>>>>>> at all.>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> suggests that you
>>>>>>>>> have bought into the conspiracy that Covid vaccination is some plot by
>>>>>>>>> "them"[1] to subvert people for some nefarious reason. Your reluctance
>>>>>>>>> to offer an alternative explanation tends to confirm that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone has a question for me without foolish MSM insults I'll be
>>>>>>>> more then happy to respond, you did not qualify.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOW, no alternative explanation available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] Who exactly "they" are seems to vary among anti-vaxxers; some
>>>>>>>>> think it is the government, some think it is Bill Gates, others don't
>>>>>>>>> seem to have any real idea who they are talking about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So my question was do I qualify for that in your weird world as a
>>>>>>>> multiple vaccinated person?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I note that you don't include Covid vaccination in your "multiple". So
>>>>>>> be straight about it - are you Covid vaccinated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question still stands, can a multiple vaccinated person be a anti-vaxxer?
>>>>>> That is a pretty ludicrous statement IMO
>>>>>
>>>>> Answered in my earlier response to your preceeding post.
>>>>
>>>> Remind me or are you realizing now how foolish your suggestion is.
>>>
>>> Whilst recognising your intellectual limitations, I did think you
>>> could find a post from yesterday that was a direct response to one
>>> from you. Anyway, here is what I said:
>>>
>>> "My original post was in the context of *Covid vaccination*. From
>>> everything you have said (and not said) so far, I continue to believe
>>> that in that context of Covid vaccination, you do belong to that group
>>> of anti-vaxxers who are fueled by some sort of conspiracy that the
>>> Covid vaccine is really some nefarious plot by "them". I'm open to
>>> being convinced otherwise but evasion won't convince me.
>>
>> OK so in your mind its in the context of Covid vaccination, which means
>> not against vaccinations as such.
>> Which means labeling people as anti-vaxxers is a very stupid expression.
>> The addition of "conspiracy" makes it even worse, it not about
>> discussing anything it's solely about disqualifying people with another
>> opinion no matter what.
>> I find it extremely arrogant to try disqualify people with another
>> opinion then the MSM allows.
>> My experience is that people with second thoughts about the one fits all
>> vaccination solution are way more informed then the ones who blindly
>> follow the MSM.
>>>
>>> BTW, in regard to your "multiple vaccinations", how many of those were
>>> voluntary on your part i.e. not decided by your parents when you were
>>> a child or necessary for a visa to enter some country?"
>>>
>>> Your lack of response to my final question suggests that none of your
>>> multiple vaccines was voluntary on your part.
>>
>> A had a few for vacations they where voluntary.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Edmund

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