On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:06:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other countries
>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
>> crime rates."
>>
>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have far lower
>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their population."
>
>Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My point is
>that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system is far from
>producing the best results. Cries from the far right to keep doing ever
>more of the same are ignoring long histories of failure.
>
>* Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than similar nations;
>highest medical costs, yet worse health results than similar nations;
>highest number of "good guys with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun
>violence compared to similar nations... and so on.

From my perspective, a serious problem in the USA is governments
enacting laws "to benefit people" which ends up hurting them. That
contributes to the problems stated above.

"We're from the government and we're here to help."

On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
>> countries
>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
>> far lower
>> crime rates."
>>
>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
>> far lower
>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
>> population."
>
> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
> point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
> is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
> right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
> histories of failure.
>
> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
> similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
> results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
> with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
> similar nations... and so on.
>

Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
things here!
(2 min video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/20/2024 4:35 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:06:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other countries
>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
>>> crime rates."
>>>
>>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have far lower
>>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their population."
>>
>> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My point is
>> that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system is far from
>> producing the best results. Cries from the far right to keep doing ever
>> more of the same are ignoring long histories of failure.
>>
>> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than similar nations;
>> highest medical costs, yet worse health results than similar nations;
>> highest number of "good guys with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun
>> violence compared to similar nations... and so on.
>
>
> From my perspective, a serious problem in the USA is governments
> enacting laws "to benefit people" which ends up hurting them. That
> contributes to the problems stated above.
>
> "We're from the government and we're here to help."

+1

And that analysis was done very well and clearly by Mr Milei
at Davos Thursday:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/01/special-address-by-javier-milei-president-of-argentina/

--
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am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 12:17:32 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 1:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:40:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
> >>>>>> assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes, merely a lack
> >>>>>> of will.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund more jail
> >>>>> capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the realization (at least,
> >>>>> among some) that in many cases there are better ways to set people right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader in citizen
> >>>>> incarceration. Most other countries jail a far smaller portion of
> >>>>> their population, yet have far lower crime rates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over
> >>>>> and over and expecting different results"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy title, "The
> >>>> Seen and Unseen".
> >>>
> >>> So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more? Despite the
> >>> poor performance of that strategy?
> >>>
> >>>> State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and other
> >>>> critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting our streets and
> >>>> public services is not better for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
> >>>
> >>> I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that policy
> >>> change.
> >>> https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
> >>>
> >>>> And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens
> >>>> has a real cost too, just not one you share in any large part.
> >>>
> >>> Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best strategy for
> >>> diminishing that behavior? The current one - that is, incarcerating more
> >>> of our population than other countries - doesn't seem to work. See
> >>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
> >>>
> >>> Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
> >>>
> >>>> And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero incarcerated
> >>>> criminals/lunatics and none where every single deviant is in an
> >>>> institution.
> >>>
> >>> Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify ignoring the
> >>> available data! Many other prosperous countries do have very different
> >>> policies than ours, and have far, far lower crime rates. Our "same old,
> >>> same old" isn't working, and doing even more of it is very unlikely to
> >>> work.
> >> Buiild more prisons.
> > People guilty of Capital Crimes should be executed. This would drop the number of prisoners down to a manageable and frightened number. This is where Slocomb tells is about burning witches since he personally knows nothing about the English language and Frank with absolutely no actual arguments talks about typos like a mindless fool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtegqgKYR-U
> Good theory but in practice it would require either
> competence or honesty and we are sadly bereft in both.
>
> https://thecrimereport.org/2022/07/05/prosecutorial-misconduct-implicated-in-550-death-penalty-reversals-exonerations/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You are quite correct that prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves can, and do, convict innocent people. But this is criminal murder as well and the prosecutors should be held to the same laws. Better 100 guilty should go free than one innocent man handed a death penalty. Criminals find it impossible to learn from their own mistakes as shown in Oakland etc, So those incapable of protecting themselves could become victims.

Unlike Krygowski, 77% of Americans replied to CNN's question on gun control that they wanted the 2nd Amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court.

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 4:32:08 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 2:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Ah Tommy, such a fool.... Capital Crimes? Burning Witches? English
> > Language? Typos?
> I don't think the people that stormed the Capital in 2021 should be
> executed. Imprisonment is sufficient.
> --
> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
And I think that you are about to learn what people think of you and your minority in November. And you certainly cannot die soon enough.

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 2:35:31 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:06:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other countries
> >> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
> >> crime rates."
> >>
> >> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have far lower
> >> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their population."
> >
> >Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My point is
> >that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system is far from
> >producing the best results. Cries from the far right to keep doing ever
> >more of the same are ignoring long histories of failure.
> >
> >* Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than similar nations;
> >highest medical costs, yet worse health results than similar nations;
> >highest number of "good guys with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun
> >violence compared to similar nations... and so on.
> From my perspective, a serious problem in the USA is governments
> enacting laws "to benefit people" which ends up hurting them. That
> contributes to the problems stated above.
>
> "We're from the government and we're here to help."
Under Trump the murder rates went down. Under Biden they have gone through the roof. According to Flunky that is because Biden "made" 19 million jobs and not because job actually disappeared.

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 12:37:47 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 1/18/2024 5:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> > Pick a day, any day. Pick a city, any Democrat run city. Same story over
> > and over.
>
> If you want lower murder rates, vote for Democrats, or move to a
> Democratic State. See
> <https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem>..
>
> ■ The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has
> exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in
> every year from 2000 to 2020.
>
> ■ Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened
> from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to
> 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to
> 43% in 2020.
>
> ■ Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than
> the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.
>
> ■ If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates,
> Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between
> 2000 and 2020.
>
> ■ Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed,
> overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than
> Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of
> the 21 years observed.
>
> Big cities are more likely to be run by Democrats because big cities
> have a disproportionately higher number of educated voters, "Large
> American cities have disproportionately large shares of highly educated
> workers, a growing trend in recent decades."
> --
> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
At what point did you lose the ability to think? Big cities that have a larger proportion of educated people also have a larger proportion of rich people for the minority of criminals to prey upon. Your inability to actually think forces itself to the surface with every comment.

Tell us when YOU became and "expert" on the subject of the causes of crime? You snugly placed your tin foil hat upon your head long, long ago.

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:23:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
> >> countries
> >> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
> >> far lower
> >> crime rates."
> >>
> >> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
> >> far lower
> >> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
> >> population."
> >
> > Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
> > point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
> > is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
> > right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
> > histories of failure.
> >
> > * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
> > similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
> > results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
> > with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
> > similar nations... and so on.
> >
> Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
> things here!
> (2 min video)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The result of my warning the group about mRNA vaccines and the relatively bland result of catching covid-19 resulted in the Stupid 4+1 running out and immediately getting vaccinated as often as possible. It is now clear that after 3 vaccinations and certainly with 4, that your immune system is then crippled and you become liable for any disease coming down the turnpike. Since the Stupid 4+1 had all of the vaccines they could get, they cannot die too soon. I will look in via eternal september now and then to see if they are still alive and arguing pointless points after Google ends coverage of Google Groups. Then eventually the group can return to mostly bicycle tech related things with the usual topic drift rather than the insanity of things like John actually arguing that I'm a liar because Pol Pot only murdered 25% of Cambodians rather than my stated 30% which most experts agree upon. Or Liebermann arguing that there was no mud blocking the dam at the bottom of Cull Canyon whe even Satellite photos of the swimming hole far above the dam show it filling with mud. The insanity of the attacks on me because I caught these people who ride either not at all or so little that they have bad judgement in their mistakes. Will end soon enough by their own hands. And then I might return. Imagine Liebermann saying that Chemo doesn't effect your immune system! Or Krygowski comparing his heavy touring bike with a freewheel drive saying it is better than a modern bikie with modern components! While I am sure that his bike is perfectly fine for his riding style, I would never in a million years try to compare a racer with a touring bike. Flunky bragging about racing as if it made him a superior judge of bicycles when he couldn't begin to afford a good racing bike (not that one is needed in his class) Racing for the pure pleasure of it is good for you but it certainly doesn't make you a judge of bicycles you've never even seen. And it doesn't explain the oddities of bicycles.

My BMC rides very smooth and it is pretty light. It tracks very straight. But the Basso Loto is heavier, weaves back and forth more and so far appears to be a measurably faster bike. The BMC is a Campy 12 speed with as wide a ratio as possible. The Basso a 10 speed with the lower end of a MTB cassette of 11-36. This makes the lower end with a great deal wider fast end of the dial instead of the one tooth difference per shift on the 11 or 12 speed..

Campagnolo after all of these years as the top end group started taking its customers for granted and now, although they are still designed well do not supply replacement parts and people are fed up with that. The 12 speed reel designed to only take Campagnolo EXACT sized shift inner? Their refusal to believe that I got a new set of levers sealed in the factory box without the wires and the reel split from my threading a Chinese Campy copy shift cable in it that was 0.05 mm larger in diameter? This was entirely unnecessary to have clearances this close. It added nothing to the operation or shift accuracy since it is the BASE of the plug from which the adjustment is made rather than the diameter of the entrance.

More importantly, not supplying that reel as a spare part when they DO make them is unprofessional. That you have to be careful of the diameter is a learning curve and not making parts to correct for a mistake is silly. Most of the Chinese replacements are correct and only 20% were misaligned in the casting jig. One pass with a file corrects that.

So like when the Brifters first came out, people are again flocking to their major competition - Shimano (only now Shimano has ruined their top end group by making it Di2 only making the 105 group their top end manual group. Di2 is competing with SRAM now rather than Campy. This isn't because of improved operation of the Campy making it more expensive but SRAM's decision to have full wireless and removable batteries that can be recharged on a desk rather than Shimano's keeping the VERY long term large battery powering everything but the levers which take coin cells which last a long time in a lever that is only used to shift up to speed. The weakness of the Di2 is that it is difficult to discern the up and down levers from the other with heavy gloves on or numb hands which occurs because of slight fit errors. SRAM solves this problem with a single actuation lever. Campy makes the same Shimano error.

But I find the 105 manual group as well made and reliable as the Dura Ace if slightly heavier. I have fit this to several bikes and had no problems, especially with the 10 speeds. The Di2 shifts well but it makes noise until it self corrects its position.

Because I don't like the Dura Ace cranks, I use FSA "Team Issue" which feel quite a bit heavier than the FSA SL-Lite (I think that the Team Issue have an aluminum core) which work well.

On 1/20/2024 12:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:23:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
>>>> countries
>>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
>>>> far lower
>>>> crime rates."
>>>>
>>>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
>>>> far lower
>>>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
>>>> population."
>>>
>>> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
>>> point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
>>> is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
>>> right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
>>> histories of failure.
>>>
>>> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
>>> similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
>>> results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
>>> with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
>>> similar nations... and so on.
>>>
>> Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
>> things here!
>> (2 min video)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> The result of my warning the group about mRNA vaccines and the relatively bland result of catching covid-19 resulted in the Stupid 4+1 running out and immediately getting vaccinated as often as possible. It is now clear that after 3 vaccinations and certainly with 4, that your immune system is then crippled and you become liable for any disease coming down the turnpike. Since the Stupid 4+1 had all of the vaccines they could get, they cannot die too soon. I will look in via eternal september now and then to see if they are still alive and arguing pointless points after Google ends coverage of Google Groups. Then eventually the group can return to mostly bicycle tech related things with the usual topic drift rather than the insanity of things like John actually arguing that I'm a liar because Pol Pot only murdered 25% of Cambodians rather than my stated 30% which most experts agree upon. Or Liebermann arguing that there was no mud blocking the dam at the bottom of Cull Canyon whe even Satellite photos of the swimming hole far above the dam show it filling with mud. The insanity of the attacks on me because I caught these people who ride either not at all or so little that they have bad judgement in their mistakes. Will end soon enough by their own hands. And then I might return. Imagine Liebermann saying that Chemo doesn't effect your immune system! Or Krygowski comparing his heavy touring bike with a freewheel drive saying it is better than a modern bikie with modern components! While I am sure that his bike is perfectly fine for his riding style, I would never in a million years try to compare a racer with a touring bike. Flunky bragging about racing as if it made him a superior judge of bicycles when he couldn't begin to afford a good racing bike (not that one is needed in his class) Racing for the pure pleasure of it is good for you but it certainly doesn't make you a judge of bicycles you've never even seen. And it doesn't explain the oddities of bicycles.
>
> My BMC rides very smooth and it is pretty light. It tracks very straight. But the Basso Loto is heavier, weaves back and forth more and so far appears to be a measurably faster bike. The BMC is a Campy 12 speed with as wide a ratio as possible. The Basso a 10 speed with the lower end of a MTB cassette of 11-36. This makes the lower end with a great deal wider fast end of the dial instead of the one tooth difference per shift on the 11 or 12 speed.
>
> Campagnolo after all of these years as the top end group started taking its customers for granted and now, although they are still designed well do not supply replacement parts and people are fed up with that. The 12 speed reel designed to only take Campagnolo EXACT sized shift inner? Their refusal to believe that I got a new set of levers sealed in the factory box without the wires and the reel split from my threading a Chinese Campy copy shift cable in it that was 0.05 mm larger in diameter? This was entirely unnecessary to have clearances this close. It added nothing to the operation or shift accuracy since it is the BASE of the plug from which the adjustment is made rather than the diameter of the entrance.
>
> More importantly, not supplying that reel as a spare part when they DO make them is unprofessional. That you have to be careful of the diameter is a learning curve and not making parts to correct for a mistake is silly. Most of the Chinese replacements are correct and only 20% were misaligned in the casting jig. One pass with a file corrects that.
>
> So like when the Brifters first came out, people are again flocking to their major competition - Shimano (only now Shimano has ruined their top end group by making it Di2 only making the 105 group their top end manual group. Di2 is competing with SRAM now rather than Campy. This isn't because of improved operation of the Campy making it more expensive but SRAM's decision to have full wireless and removable batteries that can be recharged on a desk rather than Shimano's keeping the VERY long term large battery powering everything but the levers which take coin cells which last a long time in a lever that is only used to shift up to speed. The weakness of the Di2 is that it is difficult to discern the up and down levers from the other with heavy gloves on or numb hands which occurs because of slight fit errors. SRAM solves this problem with a single actuation lever. Campy makes the same Shimano error.
>
> But I find the 105 manual group as well made and reliable as the Dura Ace if slightly heavier. I have fit this to several bikes and had no problems, especially with the 10 speeds. The Di2 shifts well but it makes noise until it self corrects its position.
>
> Because I don't like the Dura Ace cranks, I use FSA "Team Issue" which feel quite a bit heavier than the FSA SL-Lite (I think that the Team Issue have an aluminum core) which work well.
Small problem, simple solution:
https://www.guhring.com/ProductsServices/SizeDetails?EDP=9038970040000&fromResults=True
After which you can run fat Asian wires in your Campagnolo
shifter.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/20/2024 12:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:23:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
> >>>> countries
> >>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
> >>>> far lower
> >>>> crime rates."
> >>>>
> >>>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
> >>>> far lower
> >>>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
> >>>> population."
> >>>
> >>> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
> >>> point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
> >>> is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
> >>> right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
> >>> histories of failure.
> >>>
> >>> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
> >>> similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
> >>> results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
> >>> with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
> >>> similar nations... and so on.
> >>>
> >> Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
> >> things here!
> >> (2 min video)
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> a...@yellowjersey.org
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > The result of my warning the group about mRNA vaccines and the relatively bland result of catching covid-19 resulted in the Stupid 4+1 running out and immediately getting vaccinated as often as possible. It is now clear that after 3 vaccinations and certainly with 4, that your immune system is then crippled and you become liable for any disease coming down the turnpike.. Since the Stupid 4+1 had all of the vaccines they could get, they cannot die too soon. I will look in via eternal september now and then to see if they are still alive and arguing pointless points after Google ends coverage of Google Groups. Then eventually the group can return to mostly bicycle tech related things with the usual topic drift rather than the insanity of things like John actually arguing that I'm a liar because Pol Pot only murdered 25% of Cambodians rather than my stated 30% which most experts agree upon. Or Liebermann arguing that there was no mud blocking the dam at the bottom of Cull Canyon whe even Satellite photos of the swimming hole far above the dam show it filling with mud. The insanity of the attacks on me because I caught these people who ride either not at all or so little that they have bad judgement in their mistakes. Will end soon enough by their own hands. And then I might return. Imagine Liebermann saying that Chemo doesn't effect your immune system! Or Krygowski comparing his heavy touring bike with a freewheel drive saying it is better than a modern bikie with modern components! While I am sure that his bike is perfectly fine for his riding style, I would never in a million years try to compare a racer with a touring bike. Flunky bragging about racing as if it made him a superior judge of bicycles when he couldn't begin to afford a good racing bike (not that one is needed in his class) Racing for the pure pleasure of it is good for you but it certainly doesn't make you a judge of bicycles you've never even seen. And it doesn't explain the oddities of bicycles.
> >
> > My BMC rides very smooth and it is pretty light. It tracks very straight. But the Basso Loto is heavier, weaves back and forth more and so far appears to be a measurably faster bike. The BMC is a Campy 12 speed with as wide a ratio as possible. The Basso a 10 speed with the lower end of a MTB cassette of 11-36. This makes the lower end with a great deal wider fast end of the dial instead of the one tooth difference per shift on the 11 or 12 speed.
> >
> > Campagnolo after all of these years as the top end group started taking its customers for granted and now, although they are still designed well do not supply replacement parts and people are fed up with that. The 12 speed reel designed to only take Campagnolo EXACT sized shift inner? Their refusal to believe that I got a new set of levers sealed in the factory box without the wires and the reel split from my threading a Chinese Campy copy shift cable in it that was 0.05 mm larger in diameter? This was entirely unnecessary to have clearances this close. It added nothing to the operation or shift accuracy since it is the BASE of the plug from which the adjustment is made rather than the diameter of the entrance.
> >
> > More importantly, not supplying that reel as a spare part when they DO make them is unprofessional. That you have to be careful of the diameter is a learning curve and not making parts to correct for a mistake is silly. Most of the Chinese replacements are correct and only 20% were misaligned in the casting jig. One pass with a file corrects that.
> >
> > So like when the Brifters first came out, people are again flocking to their major competition - Shimano (only now Shimano has ruined their top end group by making it Di2 only making the 105 group their top end manual group. Di2 is competing with SRAM now rather than Campy. This isn't because of improved operation of the Campy making it more expensive but SRAM's decision to have full wireless and removable batteries that can be recharged on a desk rather than Shimano's keeping the VERY long term large battery powering everything but the levers which take coin cells which last a long time in a lever that is only used to shift up to speed. The weakness of the Di2 is that it is difficult to discern the up and down levers from the other with heavy gloves on or numb hands which occurs because of slight fit errors. SRAM solves this problem with a single actuation lever. Campy makes the same Shimano error.
> >
> > But I find the 105 manual group as well made and reliable as the Dura Ace if slightly heavier. I have fit this to several bikes and had no problems, especially with the 10 speeds. The Di2 shifts well but it makes noise until it self corrects its position.
> >
> > Because I don't like the Dura Ace cranks, I use FSA "Team Issue" which feel quite a bit heavier than the FSA SL-Lite (I think that the Team Issue have an aluminum core) which work well.
> Small problem, simple solution:
>
> https://www.guhring.com/ProductsServices/SizeDetails?EDP=9038970040000&fromResults=True
>
> After which you can run fat Asian wires in your Campagnolo
> shifter.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
The good Asian wires and the Campy wires have 4 mm ends. If you get one of the Asian ends that missed the mark it is 4.1 mm

On 1/20/2024 7:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/20/2024 12:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:23:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
>>>>>> countries
>>>>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
>>>>>> far lower
>>>>>> crime rates."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
>>>>>> far lower
>>>>>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
>>>>>> population."
>>>>>
>>>>> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
>>>>> point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
>>>>> is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
>>>>> right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
>>>>> histories of failure.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
>>>>> similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
>>>>> results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
>>>>> with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
>>>>> similar nations... and so on.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
>>>> things here!
>>>> (2 min video)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> The result of my warning the group about mRNA vaccines and the relatively bland result of catching covid-19 resulted in the Stupid 4+1 running out and immediately getting vaccinated as often as possible. It is now clear that after 3 vaccinations and certainly with 4, that your immune system is then crippled and you become liable for any disease coming down the turnpike. Since the Stupid 4+1 had all of the vaccines they could get, they cannot die too soon. I will look in via eternal september now and then to see if they are still alive and arguing pointless points after Google ends coverage of Google Groups. Then eventually the group can return to mostly bicycle tech related things with the usual topic drift rather than the insanity of things like John actually arguing that I'm a liar because Pol Pot only murdered 25% of Cambodians rather than my stated 30% which most experts agree upon. Or Liebermann arguing that there was no mud blocking the dam at the bottom of Cull Canyon whe even Satellite photos of the swimming hole far above the dam show it filling with mud. The insanity of the attacks on me because I caught these people who ride either not at all or so little that they have bad judgement in their mistakes. Will end soon enough by their own hands. And then I might return. Imagine Liebermann saying that Chemo doesn't effect your immune system! Or Krygowski comparing his heavy touring bike with a freewheel drive saying it is better than a modern bikie with modern components! While I am sure that his bike is perfectly fine for his riding style, I would never in a million years try to compare a racer with a touring bike. Flunky bragging about racing as if it made him a superior judge of bicycles when he couldn't begin to afford a good racing bike (not that one is needed in his class) Racing for the pure pleasure of it is good for you but it certainly doesn't make you a judge of bicycles you've never even seen. And it doesn't explain the oddities of bicycles.
>>>
>>> My BMC rides very smooth and it is pretty light. It tracks very straight. But the Basso Loto is heavier, weaves back and forth more and so far appears to be a measurably faster bike. The BMC is a Campy 12 speed with as wide a ratio as possible. The Basso a 10 speed with the lower end of a MTB cassette of 11-36. This makes the lower end with a great deal wider fast end of the dial instead of the one tooth difference per shift on the 11 or 12 speed.
>>>
>>> Campagnolo after all of these years as the top end group started taking its customers for granted and now, although they are still designed well do not supply replacement parts and people are fed up with that. The 12 speed reel designed to only take Campagnolo EXACT sized shift inner? Their refusal to believe that I got a new set of levers sealed in the factory box without the wires and the reel split from my threading a Chinese Campy copy shift cable in it that was 0.05 mm larger in diameter? This was entirely unnecessary to have clearances this close. It added nothing to the operation or shift accuracy since it is the BASE of the plug from which the adjustment is made rather than the diameter of the entrance.
>>>
>>> More importantly, not supplying that reel as a spare part when they DO make them is unprofessional. That you have to be careful of the diameter is a learning curve and not making parts to correct for a mistake is silly. Most of the Chinese replacements are correct and only 20% were misaligned in the casting jig. One pass with a file corrects that.
>>>
>>> So like when the Brifters first came out, people are again flocking to their major competition - Shimano (only now Shimano has ruined their top end group by making it Di2 only making the 105 group their top end manual group. Di2 is competing with SRAM now rather than Campy. This isn't because of improved operation of the Campy making it more expensive but SRAM's decision to have full wireless and removable batteries that can be recharged on a desk rather than Shimano's keeping the VERY long term large battery powering everything but the levers which take coin cells which last a long time in a lever that is only used to shift up to speed. The weakness of the Di2 is that it is difficult to discern the up and down levers from the other with heavy gloves on or numb hands which occurs because of slight fit errors. SRAM solves this problem with a single actuation lever. Campy makes the same Shimano error.
>>>
>>> But I find the 105 manual group as well made and reliable as the Dura Ace if slightly heavier. I have fit this to several bikes and had no problems, especially with the 10 speeds. The Di2 shifts well but it makes noise until it self corrects its position.
>>>
>>> Because I don't like the Dura Ace cranks, I use FSA "Team Issue" which feel quite a bit heavier than the FSA SL-Lite (I think that the Team Issue have an aluminum core) which work well.
>> Small problem, simple solution:
>>
>> https://www.guhring.com/ProductsServices/SizeDetails?EDP=9038970040000&fromResults=True
>>
>> After which you can run fat Asian wires in your Campagnolo
>> shifter.
> The good Asian wires and the Campy wires have 4 mm ends. If you get one of the Asian ends that missed the mark it is 4.1 mm
End mills are a commodity - many vendors, many sizes.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 7:18:31 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/20/2024 7:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/20/2024 12:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:23:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
> >>>>>> countries
> >>>>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
> >>>>>> far lower
> >>>>>> crime rates."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
> >>>>>> far lower
> >>>>>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
> >>>>>> population."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
> >>>>> point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
> >>>>> is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
> >>>>> right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
> >>>>> histories of failure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
> >>>>> similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
> >>>>> results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
> >>>>> with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
> >>>>> similar nations... and so on.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
> >>>> things here!
> >>>> (2 min video)
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
> >>>> --
> >>>> Andrew Muzi
> >>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
> >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>>
> >>> The result of my warning the group about mRNA vaccines and the relatively bland result of catching covid-19 resulted in the Stupid 4+1 running out and immediately getting vaccinated as often as possible. It is now clear that after 3 vaccinations and certainly with 4, that your immune system is then crippled and you become liable for any disease coming down the turnpike. Since the Stupid 4+1 had all of the vaccines they could get, they cannot die too soon. I will look in via eternal september now and then to see if they are still alive and arguing pointless points after Google ends coverage of Google Groups. Then eventually the group can return to mostly bicycle tech related things with the usual topic drift rather than the insanity of things like John actually arguing that I'm a liar because Pol Pot only murdered 25% of Cambodians rather than my stated 30% which most experts agree upon. Or Liebermann arguing that there was no mud blocking the dam at the bottom of Cull Canyon whe even Satellite photos of the swimming hole far above the dam show it filling with mud. The insanity of the attacks on me because I caught these people who ride either not at all or so little that they have bad judgement in their mistakes. Will end soon enough by their own hands. And then I might return. Imagine Liebermann saying that Chemo doesn't effect your immune system! Or Krygowski comparing his heavy touring bike with a freewheel drive saying it is better than a modern bikie with modern components! While I am sure that his bike is perfectly fine for his riding style, I would never in a million years try to compare a racer with a touring bike. Flunky bragging about racing as if it made him a superior judge of bicycles when he couldn't begin to afford a good racing bike (not that one is needed in his class) Racing for the pure pleasure of it is good for you but it certainly doesn't make you a judge of bicycles you've never even seen.. And it doesn't explain the oddities of bicycles.
> >>>
> >>> My BMC rides very smooth and it is pretty light. It tracks very straight. But the Basso Loto is heavier, weaves back and forth more and so far appears to be a measurably faster bike. The BMC is a Campy 12 speed with as wide a ratio as possible. The Basso a 10 speed with the lower end of a MTB cassette of 11-36. This makes the lower end with a great deal wider fast end of the dial instead of the one tooth difference per shift on the 11 or 12 speed.
> >>>
> >>> Campagnolo after all of these years as the top end group started taking its customers for granted and now, although they are still designed well do not supply replacement parts and people are fed up with that. The 12 speed reel designed to only take Campagnolo EXACT sized shift inner? Their refusal to believe that I got a new set of levers sealed in the factory box without the wires and the reel split from my threading a Chinese Campy copy shift cable in it that was 0.05 mm larger in diameter? This was entirely unnecessary to have clearances this close. It added nothing to the operation or shift accuracy since it is the BASE of the plug from which the adjustment is made rather than the diameter of the entrance.
> >>>
> >>> More importantly, not supplying that reel as a spare part when they DO make them is unprofessional. That you have to be careful of the diameter is a learning curve and not making parts to correct for a mistake is silly. Most of the Chinese replacements are correct and only 20% were misaligned in the casting jig. One pass with a file corrects that.
> >>>
> >>> So like when the Brifters first came out, people are again flocking to their major competition - Shimano (only now Shimano has ruined their top end group by making it Di2 only making the 105 group their top end manual group. Di2 is competing with SRAM now rather than Campy. This isn't because of improved operation of the Campy making it more expensive but SRAM's decision to have full wireless and removable batteries that can be recharged on a desk rather than Shimano's keeping the VERY long term large battery powering everything but the levers which take coin cells which last a long time in a lever that is only used to shift up to speed. The weakness of the Di2 is that it is difficult to discern the up and down levers from the other with heavy gloves on or numb hands which occurs because of slight fit errors.. SRAM solves this problem with a single actuation lever. Campy makes the same Shimano error.
> >>>
> >>> But I find the 105 manual group as well made and reliable as the Dura Ace if slightly heavier. I have fit this to several bikes and had no problems, especially with the 10 speeds. The Di2 shifts well but it makes noise until it self corrects its position.
> >>>
> >>> Because I don't like the Dura Ace cranks, I use FSA "Team Issue" which feel quite a bit heavier than the FSA SL-Lite (I think that the Team Issue have an aluminum core) which work well.
> >> Small problem, simple solution:
> >>
> >> https://www.guhring.com/ProductsServices/SizeDetails?EDP=9038970040000&fromResults=True
> >>
> >> After which you can run fat Asian wires in your Campagnolo
> >> shifter.
> > The good Asian wires and the Campy wires have 4 mm ends. If you get one of the Asian ends that missed the mark it is 4.1 mm
> End mills are a commodity - many vendors, many sizes.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It is probably best to carefully select the properly manufactured Chinese inners since they are identical to the Campy wires but 1/20th the cost. The Campy reels are perfectly molded to the 4 mm but if they opened it just to 4.1 mm they couldn't have any problems with non-Campy wires. I am disturbed that Campy is treating their audience so badly to the point that teams no longer want to use their products. This again puts Campy behind Shimano when for a while, they were the leading component manufacturer after Shimano's initial lead with the Brifters.

But this is about getting flats from the steel corded tires because people are back in the Great Recession phase of the economy from the inflation that the Stupid 4+1 claim isn't happening despite that wonderful Janet Yellen apologizing for causing it. And that effect on people who are riding bicycles despite Flunky saying it ain't so and that he can get innertubes from Amazon though he hasn't tried because it is winter and he isn't riding. That is sort of complicated but my being unable to get new innertubes in the proper size is troublesome. And here I am with 3 flat tires that I have been repairing over and over again in the last month.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:18:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/20/2024 7:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 11:07:03?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/20/2024 12:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:23:55?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
>>>>>>> far lower
>>>>>>> crime rates."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
>>>>>>> far lower
>>>>>>> crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
>>>>>>> population."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
>>>>>> point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
>>>>>> is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
>>>>>> right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
>>>>>> histories of failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
>>>>>> similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
>>>>>> results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
>>>>>> with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
>>>>>> similar nations... and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, different in many ways. But hey we make really cool
>>>>> things here!
>>>>> (2 min video)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>
>>>> The result of my warning the group about mRNA vaccines and the relatively bland result of catching covid-19 resulted in the Stupid 4+1 running out and immediately getting vaccinated as often as possible. It is now clear that after 3 vaccinations and certainly with 4, that your immune system is then crippled and you become liable for any disease coming down the turnpike. Since the Stupid 4+1 had all of the vaccines they could get, they cannot die too soon. I will look in via eternal september now and then to see if they are still alive and arguing pointless points after Google ends coverage of Google Groups. Then eventually the group can return to mostly bicycle tech related things with the usual topic drift rather than the insanity of things like John actually arguing that I'm a liar because Pol Pot only murdered 25% of Cambodians rather than my stated 30% which most experts agree upon. Or Liebermann arguing that there was no mud blocking the dam at the bottom of Cull Canyon whe
>even Satellite photos of the swimming hole far above the dam show it filling with mud. The insanity of the attacks on me because I caught these people who ride either not at all or so little that they have bad judgement in their mistakes. Will end soon enough by their own hands. And then I might return. Imagine Liebermann saying that Chemo doesn't effect your immune system! Or Krygowski comparing his heavy touring bike with a freewheel drive saying it is better than a modern bikie with modern components! While I am sure that his bike is perfectly fine for his riding style, I would never in a million years try to compare a racer with a touring bike. Flunky bragging about racing as if it made him a superior judge of bicycles when he couldn't begin to afford a good racing bike (not that one is needed in his class) Racing for the pure pleasure of it is good for you but it certainly doesn't make you a judge of bicycles you've never even seen. And it doesn't explain the oddities of
>bicycles.
>>>>
>>>> My BMC rides very smooth and it is pretty light. It tracks very straight. But the Basso Loto is heavier, weaves back and forth more and so far appears to be a measurably faster bike. The BMC is a Campy 12 speed with as wide a ratio as possible. The Basso a 10 speed with the lower end of a MTB cassette of 11-36. This makes the lower end with a great deal wider fast end of the dial instead of the one tooth difference per shift on the 11 or 12 speed.
>>>>
>>>> Campagnolo after all of these years as the top end group started taking its customers for granted and now, although they are still designed well do not supply replacement parts and people are fed up with that. The 12 speed reel designed to only take Campagnolo EXACT sized shift inner? Their refusal to believe that I got a new set of levers sealed in the factory box without the wires and the reel split from my threading a Chinese Campy copy shift cable in it that was 0.05 mm larger in diameter? This was entirely unnecessary to have clearances this close. It added nothing to the operation or shift accuracy since it is the BASE of the plug from which the adjustment is made rather than the diameter of the entrance.
>>>>
>>>> More importantly, not supplying that reel as a spare part when they DO make them is unprofessional. That you have to be careful of the diameter is a learning curve and not making parts to correct for a mistake is silly. Most of the Chinese replacements are correct and only 20% were misaligned in the casting jig. One pass with a file corrects that.
>>>>
>>>> So like when the Brifters first came out, people are again flocking to their major competition - Shimano (only now Shimano has ruined their top end group by making it Di2 only making the 105 group their top end manual group. Di2 is competing with SRAM now rather than Campy. This isn't because of improved operation of the Campy making it more expensive but SRAM's decision to have full wireless and removable batteries that can be recharged on a desk rather than Shimano's keeping the VERY long term large battery powering everything but the levers which take coin cells which last a long time in a lever that is only used to shift up to speed. The weakness of the Di2 is that it is difficult to discern the up and down levers from the other with heavy gloves on or numb hands which occurs because of slight fit errors. SRAM solves this problem with a single actuation lever. Campy makes the same Shimano error.
>>>>
>>>> But I find the 105 manual group as well made and reliable as the Dura Ace if slightly heavier. I have fit this to several bikes and had no problems, especially with the 10 speeds. The Di2 shifts well but it makes noise until it self corrects its position.
>>>>
>>>> Because I don't like the Dura Ace cranks, I use FSA "Team Issue" which feel quite a bit heavier than the FSA SL-Lite (I think that the Team Issue have an aluminum core) which work well.
>>> Small problem, simple solution:
>>>
>>> https://www.guhring.com/ProductsServices/SizeDetails?EDP=9038970040000&fromResults=True
>>>
>>> After which you can run fat Asian wires in your Campagnolo
>>> shifter.
>
>> The good Asian wires and the Campy wires have 4 mm ends. If you get one of the Asian ends that missed the mark it is 4.1 mm
>
>End mills are a commodity - many vendors, many sizes.

Wouldn't it be simpler and easier to simple buy the correct cables to
fit 'Your' system?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
>
> Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
>
> I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot tell which button I am pressing.
>
> This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn't ride or Slocomb who, if he ever rode a bike, it was so long ago that he forgets what a bike looks like.
>
> November can't come fast enough.

LOL!

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01 AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
> On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
> >
> > Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
> >
> > I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot tell which button I am pressing.
> >
> > This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn't ride or Slocomb who, if he ever rode a bike, it was so long ago that he forgets what a bike looks like.
> >
> > November can't come fast enough.
>
>
> LOL!

That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection" and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain sight for 17 hours without detection of the people sitting next to them waiting for buses? Obviously the pipe bombs were a hoax like the "win" of Biden.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01?AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
>> On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
>> >
>> > Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
>> >
>> > I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot tell which button I am pressing.
>> >
>> > This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn't ride or Slocomb who, if he ever rode a bike, it was so long ago that he forgets what a bike looks like.
>> >
>> > November can't come fast enough.
>>
>>
>> LOL!
>
>That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection" and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain sight for 17 hours without detection of the people sitting next to them waiting for buses? Obviously the pipe bombs were a hoax like the "win" of Biden.

As usual Tommy gets it wrong. Again.
The bomb behind the RNC was discovered on Jan. 6 at around 12:45 p.m.,
about 90 minutes before rioters entered the Capitol.
Around 1:15 p.m., officials have said, the second bomb was discovered
several blocks away next to a bench outside the DNC.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/29/pipe-bomb-suspect-video/
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/21/2024 11:48 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01?AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
>>>>
>>>> Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
>>>>
>>>> I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot tell which button I am pressing.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn't ride or Slocomb who, if he ever rode a bike, it was so long ago that he forgets what a bike looks like.
>>>>
>>>> November can't come fast enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection" and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain sight for 17 hours without detection of the people sitting next to them waiting for buses? Obviously the pipe bombs were a hoax like the "win" of Biden.
>
>
> As usual Tommy gets it wrong. Again.
> The bomb behind the RNC was discovered on Jan. 6 at around 12:45 p.m.,
> about 90 minutes before rioters entered the Capitol.
> Around 1:15 p.m., officials have said, the second bomb was discovered
> several blocks away next to a bench outside the DNC.
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/29/pipe-bomb-suspect-video/

As with everything about he 2020 election, false reports
proliferated promptly; clarifications are mostly buried.

https://www.theblaze.com/columns/analysis/revealed-a-plainclothes-capitol-cop-found-the-dnc-pipe-bomb

https://politicom.com.au/breaking-professor-and-election-expert-j-halderman-hacks-into-dominion-voting-machine-tabulator-in-court-on-friday-in-georgia-in-front-of-judge-totenberg-using-only-a-pen-to-change-vote-totals/

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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:33:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/19/2024 6:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
>>>>>>> the goes up,
>>>>>>> "BAN the deadly AR!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But when an official law enforcement agency announces
>>>>>>> that 7,937
>>>>>>> homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
>>>>>>> "pistols", not a
>>>>>>> sound is heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
>>>>>> said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
>>>>>> for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
>>>>> assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
>>>>> merely a lack of will.
>>>>
>>>> There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
>>>> more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
>>>> realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
>>>> are better ways to set people right.
>>>>
>>>> As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
>>>> in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
>>>> smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
>>>> crime rates.
>>>>
>>>> What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
>>>> thing over and over and expecting different results"?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
>>> title, "The Seen and Unseen".
>>>
>>> State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
>>> other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
>>> our streets and public services is not better for them or
>>> for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
>>> assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
>>> cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
>>> poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
>>> suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
>>>
>>> And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
>>> incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
>>> deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
>>> either case.
>>>
>>> But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
>>> disbelief reigns:
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html
>>>
>>> Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
>>> of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
>>> populace never occurred to the writer.
>>
>> Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when
>> a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is
>> heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank
>> then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
>>
>> What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
>> don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could
>> just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
>> school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
>> completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
>>
>
>no firearms in this link:
>https://denvergazette.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-broomfield-crash-deported-multiple-times/article_4728fa44-b00b-11ee-83cd-2bee4cc831ac.html
>
Here being in the country without a visa is a violation of the law and
you are liable to serve some time in jail although if it is a first
offense the police will likely just deliver you to your embassy or the
border if a next door country.

>further judicial procedure (or its lack) details:
>https://www.denverpost.com/2024/01/17/broomfield-crash-rioradn-melissa-powell-dui-jose-menjivar-ice-immigration/
Here if you cause an accident and someone is killed then it is a
maximum of 10 years in jail.

I think our system is better then your system :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/21/2024 3:56 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:33:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/19/2024 6:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
>>>>>>>> the goes up,
>>>>>>>> "BAN the deadly AR!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But when an official law enforcement agency announces
>>>>>>>> that 7,937
>>>>>>>> homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
>>>>>>>> "pistols", not a
>>>>>>>> sound is heard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
>>>>>>> said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
>>>>>>> for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
>>>>>> assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
>>>>>> merely a lack of will.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
>>>>> more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
>>>>> realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
>>>>> are better ways to set people right.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
>>>>> in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
>>>>> smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
>>>>> crime rates.
>>>>>
>>>>> What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
>>>>> thing over and over and expecting different results"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
>>>> title, "The Seen and Unseen".
>>>>
>>>> State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
>>>> other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
>>>> our streets and public services is not better for them or
>>>> for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
>>>> assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
>>>> cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
>>>> poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
>>>> suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
>>>> incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
>>>> deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
>>>> either case.
>>>>
>>>> But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
>>>> disbelief reigns:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
>>>> of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
>>>> populace never occurred to the writer.
>>>
>>> Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when
>>> a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is
>>> heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank
>>> then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
>>>
>>> What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
>>> don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could
>>> just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
>>> school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
>>> completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
>>>
>>
>> no firearms in this link:
>> https://denvergazette.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-broomfield-crash-deported-multiple-times/article_4728fa44-b00b-11ee-83cd-2bee4cc831ac.html
>>
> Here being in the country without a visa is a violation of the law and
> you are liable to serve some time in jail although if it is a first
> offense the police will likely just deliver you to your embassy or the
> border if a next door country.
>
>> further judicial procedure (or its lack) details:
>> https://www.denverpost.com/2024/01/17/broomfield-crash-rioradn-melissa-powell-dui-jose-menjivar-ice-immigration/
> Here if you cause an accident and someone is killed then it is a
> maximum of 10 years in jail.
>
> I think our system is better then your system :-)

Well, our countries are different.

If we had a king, we could insult him (1st Amendment) but
after that, a lot here just doesn't work any longer.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:05:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/21/2024 3:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:33:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2024 6:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
>>>>>>>>> the goes up,
>>>>>>>>> "BAN the deadly AR!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But when an official law enforcement agency announces
>>>>>>>>> that 7,937
>>>>>>>>> homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
>>>>>>>>> "pistols", not a
>>>>>>>>> sound is heard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
>>>>>>>> said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
>>>>>>>> for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
>>>>>>> assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
>>>>>>> merely a lack of will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
>>>>>> more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
>>>>>> realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
>>>>>> are better ways to set people right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
>>>>>> in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
>>>>>> smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
>>>>>> crime rates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
>>>>>> thing over and over and expecting different results"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
>>>>> title, "The Seen and Unseen".
>>>>>
>>>>> State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
>>>>> other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
>>>>> our streets and public services is not better for them or
>>>>> for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
>>>>> assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
>>>>> cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
>>>>> poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
>>>>> suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
>>>>>
>>>>> And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
>>>>> incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
>>>>> deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
>>>>> either case.
>>>>>
>>>>> But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
>>>>> disbelief reigns:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
>>>>> of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
>>>>> populace never occurred to the writer.
>>>>
>>>> Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when
>>>> a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is
>>>> heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank
>>>> then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
>>>>
>>>> What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
>>>> don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could
>>>> just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
>>>> school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
>>>> completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> no firearms in this link:
>>> https://denvergazette.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-broomfield-crash-deported-multiple-times/article_4728fa44-b00b-11ee-83cd-2bee4cc831ac.html
>>>
>> Here being in the country without a visa is a violation of the law and
>> you are liable to serve some time in jail although if it is a first
>> offense the police will likely just deliver you to your embassy or the
>> border if a next door country.
>>
>>> further judicial procedure (or its lack) details:
>>> https://www.denverpost.com/2024/01/17/broomfield-crash-rioradn-melissa-powell-dui-jose-menjivar-ice-immigration/
>> Here if you cause an accident and someone is killed then it is a
>> maximum of 10 years in jail.
>>
>> I think our system is better then your system :-)
>
>Well, our countries are different.
>
>If we had a king, we could insult him (1st Amendment) but
>after that, a lot here just doesn't work any longer.

I read the other day that some idiot just got a 50 year sentence for
insulting the king.
Given that the lèse-majesté law has been on the statute books for 116
years and is supported by the bulk of the population the guy seems to
have set a new record in stupidity.

--
Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 11:40 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We might return to prosecuting felon in possession,
>>>>> armed assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of
>>>>> statutes, merely a lack of will.
>>>>
>>>> There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to
>>>> fund more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's
>>>> the realization (at least, among some) that in many cases
>>>> there are better ways to set people right.
>>>>
>>>> As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world
>>>> leader in citizen incarceration. Most other countries
>>>> jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
>>>> far lower crime rates.
>>>>
>>>> What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
>>>> thing over and over and expecting different results"?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything.  Or in his
>>> pithy title, "The Seen and Unseen".
>>
>> So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more?
>> Despite the poor performance of that strategy?
>>
>>> State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer
>>> and other critics.  A plague of suffering mentally ill
>>> infesting our streets and public services is not better
>>> for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
>>
>> I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that
>> policy change.
>> https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
>>
>>> And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and
>>> killing citizens has a real cost too, just not one you
>>> share in any large part.
>>
>> Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best
>> strategy for diminishing that behavior? The current one -
>> that is, incarcerating more of our population than other
>> countries - doesn't seem to work. See
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
>>
>> Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
>>
>>> And these are not absolutes.  There's no world with zero
>>> incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every
>>> single deviant is in an institution.
>>
>> Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify
>> ignoring the available data! Many other prosperous countries
>> do have very different policies than ours, and have far, far
>> lower crime rates. Our "same old, same old" isn't working,
>> and doing even more of it is very unlikely to work.
>>
>
> We can agree that in homogenous countries with a single
> culture and language, crimes of all sorts, especially
> violent crimes, are less common. That's not where we are.
>
> No illegal immigration in Poland, for example, and Poles
> share one language, one culture:

Very much doubt that Poland is that,
> https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/POL/poland/crime-rate-statistics
>
> Unlike England:

> https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/

Incorrect data, you’re using. A red flag should be absolute numbers vs
rate.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingjune2023

Nor is it’s illegal as they claim asylum.

<https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2023/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2023#:~:text=In%20the%20year%20ending%20June,the%20year%20ending%20June%202022.>

Some may somehow cross the borders illegally I guess, but will be vanishing
small number as well no National insurance number, or NHS numbers and so
on.

Don’t believe all the click bate stuff by Nigel Friage and similar.

>
> Then there are countries which experienced a significant
> shift in components of their population:
>
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/533917/sweden-number-of-homicides/
>
> Like it or not, simple or complex, we have to deal with US
> problems in our own US way with our US populace, voters and
> legal processes.
>
>
Roger Merriman

On 1/21/2024 5:07 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:05:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/2024 3:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:33:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2024 6:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
>>>>>>>>>> the goes up,
>>>>>>>>>> "BAN the deadly AR!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But when an official law enforcement agency announces
>>>>>>>>>> that 7,937
>>>>>>>>>> homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
>>>>>>>>>> "pistols", not a
>>>>>>>>>> sound is heard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
>>>>>>>>> said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
>>>>>>>>> for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
>>>>>>>> assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
>>>>>>>> merely a lack of will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
>>>>>>> more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
>>>>>>> realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
>>>>>>> are better ways to set people right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
>>>>>>> in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
>>>>>>> smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
>>>>>>> crime rates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
>>>>>>> thing over and over and expecting different results"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
>>>>>> title, "The Seen and Unseen".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
>>>>>> other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
>>>>>> our streets and public services is not better for them or
>>>>>> for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
>>>>>> assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
>>>>>> cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
>>>>>> poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
>>>>>> suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
>>>>>> incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
>>>>>> deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
>>>>>> either case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
>>>>>> disbelief reigns:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
>>>>>> of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
>>>>>> populace never occurred to the writer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when
>>>>> a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is
>>>>> heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank
>>>>> then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
>>>>>
>>>>> What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
>>>>> don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could
>>>>> just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
>>>>> school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
>>>>> completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no firearms in this link:
>>>> https://denvergazette.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-broomfield-crash-deported-multiple-times/article_4728fa44-b00b-11ee-83cd-2bee4cc831ac.html
>>>>
>>> Here being in the country without a visa is a violation of the law and
>>> you are liable to serve some time in jail although if it is a first
>>> offense the police will likely just deliver you to your embassy or the
>>> border if a next door country.
>>>
>>>> further judicial procedure (or its lack) details:
>>>> https://www.denverpost.com/2024/01/17/broomfield-crash-rioradn-melissa-powell-dui-jose-menjivar-ice-immigration/
>>> Here if you cause an accident and someone is killed then it is a
>>> maximum of 10 years in jail.
>>>
>>> I think our system is better then your system :-)
>>
>> Well, our countries are different.
>>
>> If we had a king, we could insult him (1st Amendment) but
>> after that, a lot here just doesn't work any longer.
>
> I read the other day that some idiot just got a 50 year sentence for
> insulting the king.
> Given that the lèse-majesté law has been on the statute books for 116
> years and is supported by the bulk of the population the guy seems to
> have set a new record in stupidity.
>

We're no strangers to stupid behavior.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:02:26 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/21/2024 11:48 AM, John B. wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01?AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
> >>> On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
> >>>>
> >>>> Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot tell which button I am pressing.
> >>>>
> >>>> This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn't ride or Slocomb who, if he ever rode a bike, it was so long ago that he forgets what a bike looks like.
> >>>>
> >>>> November can't come fast enough.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> LOL!
> >>
> >> That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection" and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain sight for 17 hours without detection of the people sitting next to them waiting for buses? Obviously the pipe bombs were a hoax like the "win" of Biden.
> >
> >
> > As usual Tommy gets it wrong. Again.
> > The bomb behind the RNC was discovered on Jan. 6 at around 12:45 p.m.,
> > about 90 minutes before rioters entered the Capitol.
> > Around 1:15 p.m., officials have said, the second bomb was discovered
> > several blocks away next to a bench outside the DNC.
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/29/pipe-bomb-suspect-video/
> As with everything about he 2020 election, false reports
> proliferated promptly; clarifications are mostly buried.
>
> https://www.theblaze.com/columns/analysis/revealed-a-plainclothes-capitol-cop-found-the-dnc-pipe-bomb
>
> https://politicom.com.au/breaking-professor-and-election-expert-j-halderman-hacks-into-dominion-voting-machine-tabulator-in-court-on-friday-in-georgia-in-front-of-judge-totenberg-using-only-a-pen-to-change-vote-totals/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Why do you suppose that Slocomb HAS to lie about absolutely everything? As it turns out, the discoverer of the pipe bomb is a member of the DC police force in plain clothes. He has not been identified nor questioned to discover how he noticed a pipe bomb when you could plainly see him walk by without looking over to where the pipe bomb was sitting in plain view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-jbrLo81Bs

On 1/22/2024 10:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:02:26 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/21/2024 11:48 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01?AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot tell which button I am pressing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn't ride or Slocomb who, if he ever rode a bike, it was so long ago that he forgets what a bike looks like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> November can't come fast enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection" and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain sight for 17 hours without detection of the people sitting next to them waiting for buses? Obviously the pipe bombs were a hoax like the "win" of Biden.
>>>
>>>
>>> As usual Tommy gets it wrong. Again.
>>> The bomb behind the RNC was discovered on Jan. 6 at around 12:45 p.m.,
>>> about 90 minutes before rioters entered the Capitol.
>>> Around 1:15 p.m., officials have said, the second bomb was discovered
>>> several blocks away next to a bench outside the DNC.
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/29/pipe-bomb-suspect-video/
>> As with everything about he 2020 election, false reports
>> proliferated promptly; clarifications are mostly buried.
>>
>> https://www.theblaze.com/columns/analysis/revealed-a-plainclothes-capitol-cop-found-the-dnc-pipe-bomb
>>
>> https://politicom.com.au/breaking-professor-and-election-expert-j-halderman-hacks-into-dominion-voting-machine-tabulator-in-court-on-friday-in-georgia-in-front-of-judge-totenberg-using-only-a-pen-to-change-vote-totals/

>
> Why do you suppose that Slocomb HAS to lie about absolutely everything? As it turns out, the discoverer of the pipe bomb is a member of the DC police force in plain clothes. He has not been identified nor questioned to discover how he noticed a pipe bomb when you could plainly see him walk by without looking over to where the pipe bomb was sitting in plain view.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-jbrLo81Bs

First Amendment update:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/justice-dept-may-be-orchestrating-retaliation-against-blaze-news-steve-baker-for-his-jan-6-reporting-bakers-attorneys

If there's nothing to hide, why charge the reporter?
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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/21/2024 11:07 AM, Tom Kunich proved once again I live rent free in
his head:
>
> But this is about getting flats from the steel corded tires because people are back in the Great Recession phase of the economy from the inflation that the Stupid 4+1 claim isn't happening

5 quarters of positive GDP growth averaging 3%.
Inflation dropped from 6.4% in january '23 to 3.4% in december '23.
Major stock indices hit all-time highs in the past few months.
Employment rate well above what economist call "full employment".

Metrics hardly indicative of the deep recession you think we're in.

> despite that wonderful Janet Yellen apologizing for causing it.

Yellen didn't apologize for causing the recession because she didn't
cause the recession, dumbass.

> And that effect on people who are riding bicycles despite Flunky saying it ain't so

I still say it isn't so. There aren't great numbers of people driving
cars with tread worn down to the cord because they can't afford new
tires. Who knows what you've been riding through to cause this spate of
flats, but it isn't because of bits of steel-belted radials.

> and that he can get innertubes from Amazon though he hasn't tried because it is winter and he isn't riding.

I restock my tube and CO2 supplies in the winter when distributor stock
is higher. The link I posted was from an order I placed in November. I
got them in two days with free shipping.

> That is sort of complicated but my being unable to get new innertubes in the proper size is troublesome.

That's your personal problem. Amazon has your tubes and they're
generally available overnight. If you think they aren't, post the
specific size and stem length you need, I'm sure we'll be able to help
you out.

> And here I am with 3 flat tires that I have been repairing over and over again in the last month.

I rarely patch tubes. At ~$6 a piece it simply isn't worth the hassle.
Given the spectacular stock market performance, one would think ordering
this:
https://www.amazon.com/VeloTubes-Gravel-Presta-Valve-Bicycle/dp/B09GHBF2JX/?th=1
(Free overnight delivery with Prime)
wouldn't be a problem for someone allegedly making $12K/mo off his
investments.

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