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Re: Counterexample

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Subject: Re: Counterexample
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 by: Greg Cunt - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:38 UTC

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 8:25:40 PM UTC+2, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:20:51 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 8:09:55 PM UTC+2, WM wrote:
> > >
> > > infinitely many numbers cannot serve as indices.
> > >
> > They can, because they do,
> >
> No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

Hint: IN is the index set of so called "infinite sequences", and hence of (E(1), E(2), E(3), ...) too.

This means, each and every natural number "serves as an index" here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence

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 by: Serg io - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:59 UTC

On 10/23/2021 12:57 PM, WM wrote:
> Python schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 01:37:58 UTC+2:
>> WM wrote:
>
> the numbers in an endsegment cannot serve as indices for the predecessors of this endsegment.
>> Of course the can,
>
> No, but you are obviously unable to understand even the simple example:
> The numbers in E(4) = {4, 5, 6, ...} cannot serve as indices for E(1), E(2), an E(3).
>
> Regards, W;
>
>

You need to put more care into mathematical thoroughness and reading.

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 by: Serg io - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:01 UTC

On 10/23/2021 1:11 PM, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:08:52 UTC+2:
>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 7:57:46 PM UTC+2, WM wrote:
>>
>>> The numbers in E(4) = {4, 5, 6, ...} cannot serve as indices for E(1), E(2), an E(3).
>> They could, but actually, they don't (here: (E(1), E(2), E(3), E(4), E(5), E(6), ...)).
>>
>> Proof: Reorder the sequence
>
> The sequence is and remains ordered in the natural way. Only then my proof is valid.
>
> Regards, WM
>

You need to put more care into mathematical thoroughness and reading.

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 by: Serg io - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:03 UTC

On 10/23/2021 1:25 PM, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:17:00 UTC+2:
<snip crap>
>>> Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:08:52 UTC+2:
<snip crap>
>>>>>

<snip crap>

>>>>>
>>>> They could, but actually, they don't (here: (E(1), E(2), E(3), E(4), E(5), E(6), ...)).
>>>>
>>>> Proof: Reorder the sequence [...]
>>>>

<snip crap>

>
>> Fascinating! In the context of mathematics each and every sequence _can be_ reordered!
>

<snip crap>

>
> Regards, WM
>

You need to put more care into mathematical thoroughness and reading.

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 by: Serg io - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:06 UTC

On 10/23/2021 12:51 PM, WM wrote:
> Jim Burns schrieb am Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 um 23:10:23 UTC+2:
>> On 10/22/2021 11:37 AM, WM wrote:
>
>
>>> This successorship would not stop at natural indices
>>> but would run through all ordinal numbers.
>>> That shows the direct way from 1 to 𝛚 and beyond,
>> This successorship does not run through anything beyond
>> all natural indices.
>
<snip crap>

<snip crap>

>
>> This successorship does not run through 𝛚.
>
<snip crap>
>

<snip crap>

>> The numbers before omega can be counted to.
>> All of them.
>

<snip crap>

>
>> We cannot count to omega because,
>> if we could count to omega, it would be just another
>> natural number,
>

<snip crap>

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 by: Serg io - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:06 UTC

On 10/23/2021 1:09 PM, WM wrote:
> Python schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 01:40:41 UTC+2:
<snip crap>
<snip crap>
>> but they can for E(17), E(18), etc.
>
<snip crap>
>
>>> If every endsegment is infinite, then infinitely many numbers cannot serve as indices for endsegments. Then only the complement of this infinite set is available as indices. The complement of an infinite contents is finite.
>> Oh dear... 'then infinitely many numbers cannot serve as indices for
>> *some* endsegments' but 'all can serve as indicies for *others*
>> endsegments".
>
<snip crap>

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On 10/23/2021 1:25 PM, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:20:51 UTC+2:
>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 8:09:55 PM UTC+2, WM wrote:
>>
<snip crap>
>> They can, because they do,
>
<snip crap>
>>
>> This means, each and every natural number "serves as an index" here.
>
<snip crap>

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Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:38:09 UTC+2:

> IN is the index set of so called "infinite sequences", and hence of (E(1), E(2), E(3), ...) too.
> This means, each and every natural number "serves as an index" here.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence

If all endsegments are infinite, then infinitely many natnumbers cannot appear as indices. Please decribe two consecutive infinite sets in omega, if you can.

Regards, WM

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On 10/24/2021 6:19 AM, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2021 um 20:38:09 UTC+2:
>
>> IN is the index set of so called "infinite sequences", and hence of (E(1), E(2), E(3), ...) too.
>> This means, each and every natural number "serves as an index" here.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence
>
> If all endsegments are infinite, then infinitely many natnumbers cannot appear as indices. Please decribe two consecutive infinite sets in omega, if you can.
>
> Regards, WM
>

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On Sunday, 24 October 2021 at 08:19:27 UTC-3, WM wrote:
> If all endsegments are infinite, then infinitely many natnumbers cannot appear as indices.

Whenever a sentence contains a quantifier, one can be certain the Muckenheim manages to swap it illegally.

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 by: WM - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:47 UTC

Gus Gassmann schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 18:01:46 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, 24 October 2021 at 08:19:27 UTC-3, WM wrote:
> > If all endsegments are infinite, then infinitely many natnumbers cannot appear as indices.
> Whenever a sentence contains a quantifier, one can be certain

that you will try to misinform the reader about its meaning.
All endsegments are infinite. That means every endsegment contains an infinite set of natural numbers. There is no chance to cheat an intelligent reader.

Regards, WM

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On Su nday, October 24, 2021 at 8:47:47 PM UTC+2, WM wrote:

> All endsegments are infinite. That means every endsegment [is] an infinite set of natural numbers.

Incredible! How would you know?

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On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM UTC+2, WM wrote:

> But the set of FISONs [in ZFC]

is identical with IN (due to von Neumann).

Hint: {{}, {0}, {0, 1}, {0, 1, 2}, ...} = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.

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On Sunday, 24 October 2021 at 15:47:47 UTC-3, WM wrote:
> Gus Gassmann schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 18:01:46 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, 24 October 2021 at 08:19:27 UTC-3, WM wrote:
> > > If all endsegments are infinite, then infinitely many natnumbers cannot appear as indices.
> > Whenever a sentence contains a quantifier, one can be certain
> that you will try to misinform the reader about its meaning.
> All endsegments are infinite. That means every endsegment contains an infinite set of natural numbers. There is no chance to cheat an intelligent reader.

Correct. And no intelligent reader is deceived. It is you, you stinking liar, who is trying to conflate the end segments with the set of "indices", blatantly double counting and, yes, switching quantifiers. You don't have the first clue about infinity, and you know dick all about Cantor or any mathematics in general. And that is why *YOU* have to lie and cheat at every possible opportunity to try to save face and paper over your many obvious shortcomings.

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 by: Serg io - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:59 UTC

On 10/24/2021 3:52 PM, Gus Gassmann wrote:
> On Sunday, 24 October 2021 at 15:47:47 UTC-3, WM wrote:
>> Gus Gassmann schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 18:01:46 UTC+2:
>>> On Sunday, 24 October 2021 at 08:19:27 UTC-3, WM wrote:
>>>> If all endsegments are infinite, then infinitely many natnumbers cannot appear as indices.
>>> Whenever a sentence contains a quantifier, one can be certain
>> that you will try to misinform the reader about its meaning.
>> All endsegments are infinite. That means every endsegment contains an infinite set of natural numbers. There is no chance to cheat an intelligent reader.
>
> Correct. And no intelligent reader is deceived. It is you, you stinking liar, who is trying to conflate the end segments with the set of "indices", blatantly double counting and, yes, switching quantifiers. You don't have the first clue about infinity, and you know dick all about Cantor or any mathematics in general. And that is why *YOU* have to lie and cheat at every possible opportunity to try to save face and paper over your many obvious shortcomings.
>

WM seems to like cheat math.

He uses no proofs, no variables, no algebra, no calculus, no equations to support his Cheat Math.

(already have Cheat Ants)

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 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 04:35 UTC

fredag 22 oktober 2021 kl. 17:39:37 UTC+2 skrev WM:
> zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 22. Oktober 2021 um 06:39:18 UTC+2:
>
>
> > And yes, all endsegments are infinite because the endsegment E(n) is in bijection with N
> If all indexes are an infinite subset of |N and the contents is infinite too. Where is the caesura?
>
> Regards, WM
the what?

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Greg Cunt schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 22:08:37 UTC+2:
>
> > But the set of FISONs [in ZFC]
>
> is identical with IN (due to von Neumann).
>
> Hint: {{}, {0}, {0, 1}, {0, 1, 2}, ...} = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.

There is only a collection FISONs because ℵo numbers are occupied by endegments. What v. Neumann proves means the collection of definable natnumbers.
Note: Only when you refrain from defining the indices k, then you can prove that the intersection of all endsegments is empty by

∀k ∈ ℕ: E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k}.

Which is assumed for all natnumbers k including the dark ones.

If you define the number k, then it is necessarily a finite natnumber and hence:
∀k ∈ ℕ_def: ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} = E(k) /\ |E(k)| = ℵ₀ .

Regards, WM

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zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 25. Oktober 2021 um 06:35:13 UTC+2:
> fredag 22 oktober 2021 kl. 17:39:37 UTC+2 skrev WM:

> > > And yes, all endsegments are infinite because the endsegment E(n) is in bijection with N
> > If all indexes are an infinite subset of |N and the contents is infinite too. Where is the caesura?
> >
> the what?

The cut or the point between two infinite consecutive sets, namely the claimed infinite set of indexes of all endsegments and the infinite set contained in all endsegments which all are claimed to contain infinite sets.

Regards, WM

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 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:51 UTC

måndag 25 oktober 2021 kl. 11:31:37 UTC+2 skrev WM:
> zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 25. Oktober 2021 um 06:35:13 UTC+2:
> > fredag 22 oktober 2021 kl. 17:39:37 UTC+2 skrev WM:
>
> > > > And yes, all endsegments are infinite because the endsegment E(n) is in bijection with N
> > > If all indexes are an infinite subset of |N and the contents is infinite too. Where is the caesura?
> > >
> > the what?
>
> The cut or the point between two infinite consecutive sets, namely the claimed infinite set of indexes of all endsegments and the infinite set contained in all endsegments which all are claimed to contain infinite sets.
>
> Regards, WM
nothing but rambling of an idiot

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On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:28:44 AM UTC+2, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 22:08:37 UTC+2:
> >
> > > But the set of FISONs [in ZFC]
> >
> > is identical with IN (due to von Neumann).
> >
> > Hint: {{}, {0}, {0, 1}, {0, 1, 2}, ...} = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.
> >
> What v. Neumann <bla>

Set_of_FISONs = {{}, {0}, {0, 1}, {0, 1, 2}, ...} = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...} = IN. qed

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On 10/25/2021 4:28 AM, WM wrote:
> Greg Cunt schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 22:08:37 UTC+2:
>>
>>> But the set of FISONs [in ZFC]
>>
>> is identical with IN (due to von Neumann).
>>
>> Hint: {{}, {0}, {0, 1}, {0, 1, 2}, ...} = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.
>
> There is only a collection FISONs because ℵo numbers are occupied by endegments. What v. Neumann proves means the collection of definable natnumbers.
> Note: Only when you refrain from defining the indices k, then you can prove that the intersection of all endsegments is empty by
>
> ∀k ∈ ℕ: E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k}.
>
> Which is assumed for all natnumbers k including the dark ones.
>
> If you define the number k, then it is necessarily a finite natnumber and hence:

> ∀k ∈ ℕ_def: ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} = E(k) /\ |E(k)| = ℵ₀ .

Extra Credit: how many mistakes are in above ?

>
> Regards, WM
>

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On Monday, 25 October 2021 at 10:18:24 UTC-3, Serg io wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 4:28 AM, WM wrote:
> > Greg Cunt schrieb am Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2021 um 22:08:37 UTC+2:
> >>
> >>> But the set of FISONs [in ZFC]
> >>
> >> is identical with IN (due to von Neumann).
> >>
> >> Hint: {{}, {0}, {0, 1}, {0, 1, 2}, ...} = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.
> >
> > There is only a collection FISONs because ℵo numbers are occupied by endegments. What v. Neumann proves means the collection of definable natnumbers.
> > Note: Only when you refrain from defining the indices k, then you can prove that the intersection of all endsegments is empty by
> >
> > ∀k ∈ ℕ: E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k}.
> >
> > Which is assumed for all natnumbers k including the dark ones.
> >
> > If you define the number k, then it is necessarily a finite natnumber and hence:
>
> > ∀k ∈ ℕ_def: ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} = E(k) /\ |E(k)| = ℵ₀ .
> Extra Credit: how many mistakes are in above ?

Sorry; I lost count at twelve.

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Hooray

Hooray!! End the Ukraine war

Easiest way to end the Ukraine invasion by Russia, start felling GLONASS satellites, fell them directly with radar laser pulses or jam them to fall.

Now I thought GLONASS Russian satellites numbered in the thousands, for the Internet is lousy on this question of how many satellites, for recently BBC was vague with a estimate of 600 satellites, yet another web site said 42,000. But apparently only 24 are operational for GLONASS. And my take on this is that satellites are precarious vessels and easily for something to go wrong and be inoperative. All the better to look for flaws in engineering to down all 24 GLONASS Russian satellites.

So, easy easy Achilles tendon in all of the Russian ICBM military strategy, for knock out the 24 and you in a sense, knock out the entire Russian ICBM arsenal, for they no longer have any navigation.

And if the West is on its top shape and form in technology, we want the West Scientists to figure out how to intercept the Russian ICBM and cause it to fall upon Russia and explode upon Russia.

Get the best electronics and electrical engineers of the West to figure out how to cause all Russian launched and Chinese launched ICBMs to explode on home territory.

Caveat: if the West can do it, mind you, the Chinese and Russians will want to steal those secrets from the West and that should never be allowed--Ultimate Top Secret classification that not even a punk weirdo president like Trump cannot see, nor mention to him for he would likely sell it for a golf course in some foreign enemy country.

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GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, or Global Navigation Satellite System) is a global GNSS owned and operated by the Russian Federation. The fully operational system consists of 24+ satellites.Oct 19, 2021

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From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35.
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Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictators launching rockets from North Korea.

It is respectfully request help from engineers in Japan to help fell the BeiDou satellites that navigate the illegal North Korea launches.

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The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS; Chinese: 北斗卫星导航系统; pinyin: Běidǒu Wèixīng Dǎoháng Xìtǒng) is a Chinese satellite navigation system. It consists of two separate satellite constellations. The first BeiDou system, officially called the BeiDou Satellite Navigation Experimental System and also known as BeiDou-1, consisted of three satellites which, beginning in 2000, offered limited coverage and navigation services, mainly for users in China and neighboring regions. BeiDou-1 was decommissioned at the end of 2012. The second generation of the system, officially called the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and also known as COMPASS or BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit. Since December 2012, it has been offering services to customers in the Asia-Pacific region.

In 2015, China launched the third generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 30 March 2015. On 27 December 2018, BeiDou Navigation Satellite System started providing global services. The 35th and the final satellite of BDS-3 was launched into orbit on 23 June 2020. It was said in 2016 that BeiDou-3 will reach millimeter-level accuracy (with post-processing). On 23 June 2020, the final BeiDou satellite was successfully launched, the launch of the 55th satellite in the Beidou family. The third iteration of the Beidou Navigation Satellite System provides full global coverage for timing and navigation, offering an alternative to Russia's GLONASS, the European Galileo positioning system, and the US's GPS.

According to China Daily, in 2015, fifteen years after the satellite system was launched, it was generating a turnover of $31.5 billion per annum for major companies such as China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, AutoNavi Holdings Ltd., and China North Industries Group Corp. The industry has grown an average of over 20% in value annually to reach $64 billion in 2020 according to Xinhua citing data.

Domestic industry reports forecast the satellite navigation service market output value, directly generated and driven by the Beidou system, will be worth 1 trillion yuan ($156.22 billion) by 2025, and $467 billion by 2035.
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> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites.
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> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator sending drones to Russia to down Ukraine power utility electric lines.

How many of the Iran satellites are used in drones destroying Ukraine electric grid. We should immediately fell those satellites.

--- quoting Wikipedia on Iran satellites ---
On 22 April 2020, Iran successfully launched "Noor" (Farsi for "Light"), a military satellite, into a 426 x 444 km / 59.8° orbit.

On 8 March 2022, Iran reportedly sent its second “Nour-2” military satellite into 500 km orbit.[55][56]
The Khayyam, a high resolution imaging satellite, was successfully launched into orbit by a Russian Soyuz rocket on 9 August 2022
Unlaunched satellites
Nahid (1), satellite with folding solar panels.
Toloo, is the first of a new generation of reconnaissance satellites being built by Iran Electronics Industries with SIGINT capabilities. It will be launched by a Simorgh.
Nasir 1, Iran's indigenously designed satellite navigation system (SAT NAV) has been manufactured to find the precise locations of satellites moving in orbit.

Zohreh, is a geosynchronous communication satellite which was originally proposed before the Revolution in the 1970s as part of a joint Indian-Iranian project of four Iranian satellites to be launched by the then upcoming NASA Space Shuttles. Iran had also negotiated with France to build and launch the satellites but the project never materialized. In 2005, Iran negotiated with Russia to build and launch the first Zohreh satellite under an agreement worth $132 million with the satellite launch date stipulated as 2007–2008. The new agreement had followed the earlier failed negotiations with Russia in 2003 when Russia cancelled the project under US pressures.
Ekvator, a geosynchronous communications satellite built by ISS Reshetnev for Iran in a continuation of previous Russia-Iran space cooperation efforts.. As of October 2022, Ekvator is expected to be launched on a Proton-M rocket in early 2024.
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Radio Wave & Laser Rifle to shoot down GLONASS and BeiDou satellites

Is Wolfgang Mueckenheim, a cover code of "dark numbers" really a code for jamming GLONASS.

I am not positive we can take out GLONASS and BeiDou from ground based radio and laser waves, even jamming.

Call it anything you want-- unification, so long as those GLONASS and BeiDou satellites tumble out of the sky.

But I am certain that we can put a satellite in orbit that is a wrecking ramming satellite that does take out GLONASS and BeiDou. And to this end, we need such a wrecking ball satellite immediately up there.

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Satellite RIFLE to shoot down GLONASS, Iran,and BeiDou satellites.
Hooray

Hooray!! End the Ukraine war

Easiest way to end the Ukraine invasion by Russia, start felling GLONASS satellites, fell them directly with radar laser pulses or jam them to fall.

Now I thought GLONASS Russian satellites numbered in the thousands, for the Internet is lousy on this question of how many satellites, for recently BBC was vague with a estimate of 600 satellites, yet another web site said 42,000. But apparently only 24 are operational for GLONASS. And my take on this is that satellites are precarious vessels and easily for something to go wrong and be inoperative. All the better to look for flaws in engineering to down all 24 GLONASS Russian satellites.

So, easy easy Achilles tendon in all of the Russian ICBM military strategy, for knock out the 24 and you in a sense, knock out the entire Russian ICBM arsenal, for they no longer have any navigation.

And if the West is on its top shape and form in technology, we want the West Scientists to figure out how to intercept the Russian ICBM and cause it to fall upon Russia and explode upon Russia.

Get the best electronics and electrical engineers of the West to figure out how to cause all Russian launched and Chinese launched ICBMs to explode on home territory.

Caveat: if the West can do it, mind you, the Chinese and Russians will want to steal those secrets from the West and that should never be allowed--Ultimate Top Secret classification that not even a punk weirdo president like Trump cannot see, nor mention to him for he would likely sell it for a golf course in some foreign enemy country.

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GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, or Global Navigation Satellite System) is a global GNSS owned and operated by the Russian Federation. The fully operational system consists of 24+ satellites.Oct 19, 2021

Other Global Navigation Satellite Systems (GNSS) - GPS.govhttps://www.gps.gov › systems › gnss
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Radio Wave--Laser Rifle felling BeiDou satellites

From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35.
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Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictators launching rockets from North Korea.

It is respectfully request help from engineers in Japan to help fell the BeiDou satellites that navigate the illegal North Korea launches.

--- quoting Wikipedia ---
The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS; Chinese: 北斗卫星导航系统; pinyin: Běidǒu Wèixīng Dǎoháng Xìtǒng) is a Chinese satellite navigation system. It consists of two separate satellite constellations. The first BeiDou system, officially called the BeiDou Satellite Navigation Experimental System and also known as BeiDou-1, consisted of three satellites which, beginning in 2000, offered limited coverage and navigation services, mainly for users in China and neighboring regions. BeiDou-1 was decommissioned at the end of 2012. The second generation of the system, officially called the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and also known as COMPASS or BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit. Since December 2012, it has been offering services to customers in the Asia-Pacific region.

In 2015, China launched the third generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 30 March 2015. On 27 December 2018, BeiDou Navigation Satellite System started providing global services. The 35th and the final satellite of BDS-3 was launched into orbit on 23 June 2020. It was said in 2016 that BeiDou-3 will reach millimeter-level accuracy (with post-processing). On 23 June 2020, the final BeiDou satellite was successfully launched, the launch of the 55th satellite in the Beidou family. The third iteration of the Beidou Navigation Satellite System provides full global coverage for timing and navigation, offering an alternative to Russia's GLONASS, the European Galileo positioning system, and the US's GPS.

According to China Daily, in 2015, fifteen years after the satellite system was launched, it was generating a turnover of $31.5 billion per annum for major companies such as China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, AutoNavi Holdings Ltd., and China North Industries Group Corp. The industry has grown an average of over 20% in value annually to reach $64 billion in 2020 according to Xinhua citing data.

Domestic industry reports forecast the satellite navigation service market output value, directly generated and driven by the Beidou system, will be worth 1 trillion yuan ($156.22 billion) by 2025, and $467 billion by 2035.
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> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites.
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> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator sending drones to Russia to down Ukraine power utility electric lines.

How many of the Iran satellites are used in drones destroying Ukraine electric grid. We should immediately fell those satellites.

--- quoting Wikipedia on Iran satellites ---
On 22 April 2020, Iran successfully launched "Noor" (Farsi for "Light"), a military satellite, into a 426 x 444 km / 59.8° orbit.

On 8 March 2022, Iran reportedly sent its second “Nour-2” military satellite into 500 km orbit.[55][56]
The Khayyam, a high resolution imaging satellite, was successfully launched into orbit by a Russian Soyuz rocket on 9 August 2022
Unlaunched satellites
Nahid (1), satellite with folding solar panels.
Toloo, is the first of a new generation of reconnaissance satellites being built by Iran Electronics Industries with SIGINT capabilities. It will be launched by a Simorgh.
Nasir 1, Iran's indigenously designed satellite navigation system (SAT NAV) has been manufactured to find the precise locations of satellites moving in orbit.

Zohreh, is a geosynchronous communication satellite which was originally proposed before the Revolution in the 1970s as part of a joint Indian-Iranian project of four Iranian satellites to be launched by the then upcoming NASA Space Shuttles. Iran had also negotiated with France to build and launch the satellites but the project never materialized. In 2005, Iran negotiated with Russia to build and launch the first Zohreh satellite under an agreement worth $132 million with the satellite launch date stipulated as 2007–2008. The new agreement had followed the earlier failed negotiations with Russia in 2003 when Russia cancelled the project under US pressures.
Ekvator, a geosynchronous communications satellite built by ISS Reshetnev for Iran in a continuation of previous Russia-Iran space cooperation efforts.. As of October 2022, Ekvator is expected to be launched on a Proton-M rocket in early 2024.
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Subject: Re: Counterexample
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 by: Archimedes Plutonium - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 23:02 UTC

Is it true Thomasson, Cambridge Ahnert,Alai,Alexander,Allison, that WM jammed GLONASS #24 or is it just another spam by Thomasson and Wolfgang Mueckenheim spam going on for 3 decades now.

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Radio Wave & Laser Rifle to shoot down GLONASS and BeiDou satellites

Is Wolfgang Mueckenheim, a cover code of "dark numbers" really a code for jamming GLONASS???????

Is this true Gottingen Univ Metin Tolan, Karsten Bahr, Peter Bloechl, or is WM just an insane daily spammer of sci.math????????

Cambridge Physics Dept with spokesman or spammer Chris Thomasson, can Cambridge confirm by Ahnert, Alai, Alexander, Allison, that WM has jammed satellite #24 of GLONASS???

Universitat Augsburg, Germany, rector Sabine Doering-Manteuffel
Math dept Ronald H.W.Hoppe, B. Schmidt, Sarah Friedrich, Stefan Grosskinsky, Friedrich Pukelsheim, Mirjam Dur, Ralf Werner.

Hochschule Augsburg, Wolfgang Mueckenheim

Gottingen Univ president Metin Tolan
Gottingen Univ math
Dorothea Bahns, Laurent Bartholdi, Valentin Blomer, Jorg Brüdern, Stefan Halverscheid, Harald Andres Helfgott, Madeleine Jotz Lean, Ralf Meyer, Preda Mihailescu, Walther Dietrich Paravicini, Viktor Pidstrygach, Thomas Schick, Evelina Viada, Ingo Frank Witt, Chenchang Zhu

Gottingen Univ physics
Prof. Dr. Karsten Bahr
Prof. Dr. Peter Bloechl
Prof. Dr. Eberhard Bodenschatz
Prof. Laura Covi, PhD
Prof. Dr. Andreas Dillmann
Prof. Dr. Stefan Dreizler
Prof. Dr. Jörg Enderlein
Prof. Dr. Laurent Gizon
Prof. Dr. Ariane Frey
apl. Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Glatzel
Prof. Dr. Fabian Heidrich-Meisner
Prof. Dr. Hans Christian Hofsäss
Prof. Dr. Andreas Janshoff
Prof. Dr. Christian Jooß
Prof. Dr. Stefan Kehrein
Prof. Dr. Stefan Klumpp
Prof. Dr. Sarah Köster
Prof. Dr. Reiner Kree
Prof. Dr. Matthias Krüger
Prof. Dr. Stanley Lai
Prof. Dr. Stefan Mathias
apl. Prof. Dr. Vasile Mosneaga
Prof. Dr. Marcus Müller
Prof. Dr. Jens Niemeyer
apl. Prof. Dr. Astrid Pundt
Prof. Dr. Arnulf Quadt
apl. Prof. Dr. Karl-Henning Rehren
Prof. Dr. Ansgar Reiners
Prof. Dr. Angela Rizzi
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apl. Prof. Dr. Susanne Schneider
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apl. Prof. Dr. Michael Seibt
Prof. Dr. Peter Sollich
Prof. Dr. Andreas Tilgner
Prof. Cynthia A. Volkert
Prof. Dr. Florentin Wörgötter
Prof. Dr. Annette Zippelius

Cambridge Physics Dept

Ahnert, Alai, Alexander, Allison, Ansorge, Atature, Barker, Barnes, Bartlett, Batley, Baumberg, Bohndiek, Bowman, Brown, Buscher, Butler, Campbell Carilli, Carter, Castelnovo, Challis, Chalut, Chaudhri, Chin, Ciccarelli, Cicuta, Harry Cliff, Cole, Cooper, Cowburn, Credgington, Cross, Croze, Deschler, Donald, Duffett-Smith, Dutton, Eiser, Ellis, Euser, Field, Flynn, Ford, Friend, Gibson, Green, Greenham, Gripaios, Grosche, Guck, Gull, Haniff, Heavens-Ward, Heine, Hine, Hobson, Hope-Coles, Howie, Hughes, Irvine, Jardine, Jenkins, Jones, Josephson, Keyser, Khmeinitskii, King, Kotlyar, Lamacraft, Lasenby, Lester, Longair, Lonzarich, Maiolino, Marshall, Martin, Mitov, Morris, Mortimer, Moller, Needs, Norman, Nunnenkamp, Padman,Parker, Patel, Payne, Pepper, Phillips, Pramauro, Queloz, Rao, Richer, Riley, Ritchie, Sargent, Saunders, Saxena, Schneider, Scott, Scrivener, Sebastian, Simmons, Simons, Sirringhaus, Smith, Sutherland, Taylor, Teichmann, Terentjev, Thomson, Verrechia, Walker, Ward, Warner, Weale, Webber, Whyles, Withington.

Cambridge Math Dept

Alan Baker
Bela Bollobas
Darwin Smith
John Coates
Timothy Gowers
Peter Johnstone
Imre Leader
Gabriel Paternain

I am not positive we can take out GLONASS and BeiDou from ground based radio and laser waves, even jamming.

Call it anything you want-- unification, so long as those GLONASS and BeiDou satellites tumble out of the sky.

But I am certain that we can put a satellite in orbit that is a wrecking ramming satellite that does take out GLONASS and BeiDou. And to this end, we need such a wrecking ball satellite immediately up there.

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Satellite RIFLE to shoot down GLONASS, Iran,and BeiDou satellites.
Hooray

Hooray!! End the Ukraine war

Easiest way to end the Ukraine invasion by Russia, start felling GLONASS satellites, fell them directly with radar laser pulses or jam them to fall.

Now I thought GLONASS Russian satellites numbered in the thousands, for the Internet is lousy on this question of how many satellites, for recently BBC was vague with a estimate of 600 satellites, yet another web site said 42,000. But apparently only 24 are operational for GLONASS. And my take on this is that satellites are precarious vessels and easily for something to go wrong and be inoperative. All the better to look for flaws in engineering to down all 24 GLONASS Russian satellites.

So, easy easy Achilles tendon in all of the Russian ICBM military strategy, for knock out the 24 and you in a sense, knock out the entire Russian ICBM arsenal, for they no longer have any navigation.

And if the West is on its top shape and form in technology, we want the West Scientists to figure out how to intercept the Russian ICBM and cause it to fall upon Russia and explode upon Russia.

Get the best electronics and electrical engineers of the West to figure out how to cause all Russian launched and Chinese launched ICBMs to explode on home territory.

Caveat: if the West can do it, mind you, the Chinese and Russians will want to steal those secrets from the West and that should never be allowed--Ultimate Top Secret classification that not even a punk weirdo president like Trump cannot see, nor mention to him for he would likely sell it for a golf course in some foreign enemy country.

Google search reveals
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GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, or Global Navigation Satellite System) is a global GNSS owned and operated by the Russian Federation. The fully operational system consists of 24+ satellites.Oct 19, 2021

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Radio Wave--Laser Rifle felling BeiDou satellites

From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35.
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Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictators launching rockets from North Korea.

It is respectfully request help from engineers in Japan to help fell the BeiDou satellites that navigate the illegal North Korea launches.

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The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS; Chinese: 北斗卫星导航系统; pinyin: Běidǒu Wèixīng Dǎoháng Xìtǒng) is a Chinese satellite navigation system. It consists of two separate satellite constellations. The first BeiDou system, officially called the BeiDou Satellite Navigation Experimental System and also known as BeiDou-1, consisted of three satellites which, beginning in 2000, offered limited coverage and navigation services, mainly for users in China and neighboring regions. BeiDou-1 was decommissioned at the end of 2012. The second generation of the system, officially called the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and also known as COMPASS or BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit. Since December 2012, it has been offering services to customers in the Asia-Pacific region.

In 2015, China launched the third generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 30 March 2015. On 27 December 2018, BeiDou Navigation Satellite System started providing global services. The 35th and the final satellite of BDS-3 was launched into orbit on 23 June 2020. It was said in 2016 that BeiDou-3 will reach millimeter-level accuracy (with post-processing). On 23 June 2020, the final BeiDou satellite was successfully launched, the launch of the 55th satellite in the Beidou family. The third iteration of the Beidou Navigation Satellite System provides full global coverage for timing and navigation, offering an alternative to Russia's GLONASS, the European Galileo positioning system, and the US's GPS.

According to China Daily, in 2015, fifteen years after the satellite system was launched, it was generating a turnover of $31.5 billion per annum for major companies such as China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, AutoNavi Holdings Ltd., and China North Industries Group Corp. The industry has grown an average of over 20% in value annually to reach $64 billion in 2020 according to Xinhua citing data.


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