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* New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
+* Re: New annotated version of SRTAthel Cornish-Bowden
|+* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
||`- Re: New annotated version of SRTAthel Cornish-Bowden
|`* Re: New annotated version of SRTJ. J. Lodder
| `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTAthel Cornish-Bowden
|   `* Re: New annotated version of SRTcarl eto
|    `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|     `* Re: New annotated version of SRTDeandre Theofilopoulos
|      `* Re: New annotated version of SRTwhodat
|       `* Re: cretin of the month _whodat_ eats shitDeandre Theofilopoulos
|        `* Re: cretin of the month _whodat_ eats shitwhodat
|         +* Re: cretin of the month _whodat_ eats shitDeandre Theofilopoulos
|         |`- Re: cretin of the month _whodat_ eats shitwhodat
|         `* Re: cretin of the month _whodat_ eats shitVolney
|          +- Re: cretin of the month _whodat_ eats shitThomas Heger
|          `- Re: shithead "whodat" sucks dicks in differential equationsBlaide Theofilopoulos
+* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
|`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| +* Re: New annotated version of SRTJ. J. Lodder
| |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
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| |  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |   `* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |    `- Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
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| |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |   `- Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| +* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
| |`- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
| +* Re: New annotated version of SRTPaul B. Andersen
| |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |  +- Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTPaul B. Andersen
| |   `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |    +* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |    |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |    | +* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |    | |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |    | | `- Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |    | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
| |    |  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |    |   +* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |    |   |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |    |   | +- Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
| |    |   | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTTom Roberts
| |    |   |  `- Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| |    |   `* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
| |    |    `- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
| |    `* Re: New annotated version of SRTPaul B. Andersen
| |     `* Re: New annotated version of SRTRichard Hachel
| |      +- Re: New annotated version of SRTRichard Hachel
| |      `* Re: New annotated version of SRTPaul B. Andersen
| |       +* Re: New annotated version of SRTRichard Hachel
| |       |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTPython
| |       | `- Ignorant imbecile ?Richard Hachel
| |       `- Re: New annotated version of SRTHGW
| `* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
|  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   `- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
+* Re: New annotated version of SRTPaparios
|+- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|`* Re: New annotated version of SRTJ. J. Lodder
| `- Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
+* Re: New annotated version of SRTSylvia Else
|+- Re: New annotated version of SRTConnie Scutese
|`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
| `* Re: New annotated version of SRTSylvia Else
|  +- Re: New annotated version of SRTMikko
|  +- Re: New annotated version of SRTRichard Hachel
|  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   +* Re: New annotated version of SRTSylvia Else
|   |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTSylvia Else
|   |  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   |   `* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |    +* Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |    |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |    | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |    |  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |    |   `- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |    `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   |     +- Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |     `* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
|   |      `* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   |       +* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |       |+- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |       |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   |       | +* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |       | |+* Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |       | ||`* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |       | || `* Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |       | ||  `* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |       | ||   `- Re: New annotated version of SRTMaciej Wozniak
|   |       | |`* Re: New annotated version of SRTThomas Heger
|   |       | | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTVolney
|   |       | `* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
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|   |       `* Re: New annotated version of SRTPython
|   `* Re: New annotated version of SRTJanPB
`* Re: New annotated version of SRTAthel Cornish-Bowden

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New annotated version of SRT

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From: ttt_...@web.de (Thomas Heger)
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Subject: New annotated version of SRT
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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:01 UTC

Hi NG

now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
annotations from previous versions.

The idea behind writing aannotations is this:

take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.

It was actually meant as a learning tool and aimed to find ALL errors in
a text and to write into the annotations, why that is an error.

I wrote more than 400 annotations and most of them aare bout errors in
Einstein's text.

The errors stem from a great varfiety of topics, like:

formal errors
missing quotes
unclear formulations
wrong or reused variables
illogic resoning
wrong math
and so forth...

Many of my arguments were discussed in this forum extensively. Then I
had, if possible, taken hints and corrections by members of this board
and integrated them into this version, too.

A different class of improvements of this lates version came from my
attempt to identify the possibly sources, which Einstein had used (but
not quoted).

As I speak, of course, German, I could read the works of Heinrich Hertz
und could identify possible sources.

French is not that possible, but I can understand a little. So,
Poincare's 'Sur le dynamic de la electron' was another possible source.

(Dutch is impossible for me, hence I had to leave Hendrik Lorentz away.)

Also language, spelling and formats were improved in this version
(besides of rethinking and checking the annotations themselves).

So, here comes my latest annotated version of SRT:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D2m4RV7StviWik2JiB1_Huk_7PR5Sxvi/view?usp=sharing

You need to download the pdf-file, because this is stored as google doc
and google will not show the annotations online.

Hope you like it...

TH

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From: athel...@gmail.com (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
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Subject: Re: New annotated version of SRT
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:25 UTC

On 2023-02-18 09:01:56 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

>
> [ ā€¦ ]
>
> The errors stem from a great varfiety of topics, like:
>
> formal errors
> missing quotes
> unclear formulations
> wrong or reused variables
> illogic resoning
> wrong math
> and so forth...
>
> [ ā€¦ ]
>
> French is not that possible, but I can understand a little. So,
> Poincare's 'Sur le dynamic de la electron' was another possible source.

PoincarƩ was French. I find it impossible to believe that he would have
used such an illiterate title (five errors in six words: "dynamique",
not "dynamic"; it is feminine, so "la" not "le"; "Ć©lectron" has an
accent; and is masculine, so "du", not "de la", and anyway it's elided
beforea vowel: "de l'Ć©lectron"). Can we assume that your list of
"errors" in Einstein's paper is as carelessly assembled as that?
>
> (Dutch is impossible for me, hence I had to leave Hendrik Lorentz away.)
>
> Also language, spelling and formats were improved in this version
> (besides of rethinking and checking the annotations themselves).
>
>
> So, here comes my latest annotated version of SRT:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D2m4RV7StviWik2JiB1_Huk_7PR5Sxvi/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> You need to download the pdf-file, because this is stored as google doc
> and google will not show the annotations online.
>
>
> Hope you like it...
>
> TH

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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From: ttt_...@web.de (Thomas Heger)
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Subject: Re: New annotated version of SRT
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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:44 UTC

Am 18.02.2023 um 10:25 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
..

>>
>> French is not that possible, but I can understand a little. So,
>> Poincare's 'Sur le dynamic de la electron' was another possible source.
>
> PoincarƩ was French. I find it impossible to believe that he would have
> used such an illiterate title (five errors in six words: "dynamique",
> not "dynamic"; it is feminine, so "la" not "le"; "Ć©lectron" has an
> accent; and is masculine, so "du", not "de la", and anyway it's elided
> beforea vowel: "de l'Ć©lectron"). Can we assume that your list of
> "errors" in Einstein's paper is as carelessly assembled as that?

PoincarƩ was French and I am German.

French is something you can learn in German schools, by I didn't,
because to Learn Latin was the other option, which I had chosen.

French is something I can speaak on 'tourists level', like Italian,
Spanish and a few others.

Sorry for my very poor French. I can understand a few words, but not many.

English I can speak far better than French, while still not perfect.

The annotations are all written in English and I tried hard to make them
as perfect as possible. This wasn't that easy for me, but at least you
should be able to understand them.

TH

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 by: JanPB - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:48 UTC

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Hi NG
>
> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> annotations from previous versions.
>
> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>
> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.

It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other words,
it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
the content.

> It was actually meant as a learning tool and aimed to find ALL errors in
> a text and to write into the annotations, why that is an error.

Ergo, what you are doing cannot possibly serve as a "learning tool".

> I wrote more than 400 annotations and most of them aare bout errors in
> Einstein's text.

All of them are your errors only.

> The errors stem from a great varfiety of topics, like:
>
> formal errors

There are no "formal errors" in that paper.

> missing quotes
> unclear formulations
> wrong or reused variables

These are not errors. You simply are not familiar with certain notational
conventions, most of them used to this day, everywhere.

> illogic resoning

There is none of that in the paper. There are instances of clumsiness, yes.
But they are not errors.

> wrong math

There is no wrong math in the paper. There are instances of clumsiness, yes.
But they are not errors.

> and so forth...

Again, there are no errors in Einstein's 1905 paper. There are instances of minor
sloppiness but this sort of thing is present in virtually all science papers.

> Many of my arguments were discussed in this forum extensively.

Not really "discussed". Your arguments are all errors or misunderstandings.
There is nothing to "discuss" here except your wasting your time on this
nonsensical "project" is a bit of a psychological mystery.

> Then I
> had, if possible, taken hints and corrections by members of this board
> and integrated them into this version, too.

These are, again, microscopic changes which, again, every science paper
in existence could benefit from. This is a non-issue.

> A different class of improvements of this lates version came from my
> attempt to identify the possibly sources, which Einstein had used (but
> not quoted).

This was the custom back then. Look up Annalen der Physik from around
that time and you'll see multitudes of papers with no references in them.

--
Jan

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From: athel...@gmail.com (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:49 UTC

On 2023-02-18 09:44:09 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:25 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
> ..
>
>>>
>>> French is not that possible, but I can understand a little. So,
>>> Poincare's 'Sur le dynamic de la electron' was another possible source.
>>
>> PoincarƩ was French. I find it impossible to believe that he would have
>> used such an illiterate title (five errors in six words: "dynamique",
>> not "dynamic"; it is feminine, so "la" not "le"; "Ć©lectron" has an
>> accent; and is masculine, so "du", not "de la", and anyway it's elided
>> beforea vowel: "de l'Ć©lectron"). Can we assume that your list of
>> "errors" in Einstein's paper is as carelessly assembled as that?
>
> PoincarƩ was French and I am German.
>
> French is something you can learn in German schools, by I didn't,
> because to Learn Latin was the other option, which I had chosen.
>
> French is something I can speaak on 'tourists level', like Italian,
> Spanish and a few others.
>
> Sorry for my very poor French. I can understand a few words, but not many.

Yes, but surely you can copy a text of a few words without so many errors?
>
> English I can speak far better than French, while still not perfect.
>
> The annotations are all written in English and I tried hard to make
> them as perfect as possible. This wasn't that easy for me, but at least
> you should be able to understand them.
>
>
> TH

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:17 UTC

Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Hi NG
>>
>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>> annotations from previous versions.
>>
>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>
>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>
> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other words,
> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
> the content.

This is actually true.

Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.

This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...

As I was not really an Einstein expert, it took me a very long time to
understand the entire text.

I have also rewritten my annotations several times.

Now I'm actually quite good and you wouldn't be able (most likely) to
find any error by me in them at all.

There will be a few remaining flaws, most likely, but certainly not
many, because every single of my annotation was checked for validity
many times (for instance in discussions here).

Now I'm quite confident, that I'm able to defend almost all of my
arguments, because I was able to do that here in this newsgroup several
times.

(If not and the errors were actually mine, I had ample opportunity to
change my annotations.)

>> It was actually meant as a learning tool and aimed to find ALL errors in
>> a text and to write into the annotations, why that is an error.
>
> Ergo, what you are doing cannot possibly serve as a "learning tool".

Well, wrong...

Practice is actually the best method for learning and writing is much
more practice than reading.

Far better are, of course, real experiments.

But theoretical physics is not a science of experiments.

So, reading, thinking and writing are the main tools, which could be
assisted by discussions and possibly by advice of a teatcher.

But unfortunately I have no teatcher, because I'm just a hobbyist.

>> I wrote more than 400 annotations and most of them aare bout errors in
>> Einstein's text.
>
> All of them are your errors only.

Well, then show me at least one.

....

TH

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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> > On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >> Hi NG
> >>
> >> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >> annotations from previous versions.
> >>
> >> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>
> >> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >
> > It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other
> > words, it only makes sense if the person making the annotations
> > understands the content.
>
>
> This is actually true.
>
> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>
> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...

Your problem in a nutshell.
The point is not 'understanding the words'.
You need to get the contents.
(and of course any modern undergraduate textbook
is far more suitable for that)

Jan

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 by: JanPB - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:52 UTC

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:17:06 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> > On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >> Hi NG
> >>
> >> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >> annotations from previous versions.
> >>
> >> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>
> >> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >
> > It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other words,
> > it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
> > the content.
> This is actually true.
>
> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.

My point was that that's not what you are doing. What you are doing is
like trying to learn playing piano by exclusively studying the fabric of
the tuxedo (because piano players tend to wear tuxedo for recitals).

IOW, what you are doing does not even begin to touch the substance.
Your focus in your annotations is entirely in the land of the irrelevant.

> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...

But you don't understand it. This is very obvious. Not only that, you missed
all instances of genuine errors (typos in the text), genuine mistranslations
(since you are annotating an English translation), and you are not pointing out
instances of genuine leaps of argument (you are not even aware they exist).

Before you get into a fit, those leaps I mention are standard in any science paper.

> As I was not really an Einstein expert, it took me a very long time to
> understand the entire text.

You still don't understand it. This is very obvious.

> Now I'm quite confident, that I'm able to defend almost all of my
> arguments,

No, you can't. But the state of your ignorance is such that you cannot
understand even *that*. This is a well-known psychological phenomenon,
known for centuries. It has even been somewhat quantified recently.
Basically in order to understand why a person is wrong, it requires that
that person possesses a certain minimum of the subject knowledge in
the first place.

Since you lack it, all arguments disproving your claims appear vacuous to you.

This cannot be fixed by you learning physics first.

> because I was able to do that here in this newsgroup several
> times.

This means nothing. This is a lunchtime entertainment group.

--
Jan

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On 2/18/2023 5:17 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Hi NG
>>>
>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>>> annotations from previous versions.
>>>
>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>>
>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>>
>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In
>> other words,
>> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
>> the content.
>
>
> This is actually true.
>
> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>
> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
> reference...
>
> As I was not really an Einstein expert, it took me a very long time to
> understand the entire text.

And you apparently still haven't succeeded.
>
> I have also rewritten my annotations several times.
>
> Now I'm actually quite good and you wouldn't be able (most likely) to
> find any error by me in them at all.

Except for the multitude of your errors already pointed out to you.
Did you remove them? I didn't think so.
>
> There will be a few remaining flaws, most likely, but certainly not
> many, because every single of my annotation was checked for validity
> many times (for instance in discussions here).

And they were all found to be your mistakes/misunderstandings, not
Einstein's.
>
>
> Now I'm quite confident, that I'm able to defend almost all of my
> arguments, because I was able to do that here in this newsgroup several
> times.
>
> (If not and the errors were actually mine, I had ample opportunity to
> change my annotations.)

So why didn't you do that?
>
> But theoretical physics is not a science of experiments.
>
> So, reading, thinking and writing are the main tools, which could be
> assisted by discussions and possibly by advice of a teatcher.
>
> But unfortunately I have no teatcher, because I'm just a hobbyist.

Get a new hobby.
>
>>> I wrote more than 400 annotations and most of them aare bout errors in
>>> Einstein's text.
>>
>> All of them are your errors only.
>
>
> Well, then show me at least one.

Done, multiple times here.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:11 UTC

On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 18:19:45 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 5:17 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> >> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>> Hi NG
> >>>
> >>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >>> annotations from previous versions.
> >>>
> >>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>>
> >>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >>
> >> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In
> >> other words,
> >> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
> >> the content.
> >
> >
> > This is actually true.
> >
> > Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
> >
> > This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> > every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
> > reference...
> >
> > As I was not really an Einstein expert, it took me a very long time to
> > understand the entire text.
> And you apparently still haven't succeeded.

And do you still believe that adjusting
clocks to your ISO idiocy means "Newton
mode"?
You're such an amazing idiot, stupid
Mike.

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:52:40 AM UTC+1, JanPB wrote:
>
> This cannot be fixed by you learning physics first.

Typo, sorry. I meant:
This can be fixed only by you learning physics first.

IOW, forget "annotating" the masters. You are nowhere near that level yet.
At this point all of your annotations are drivel.

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Jan

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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:36 UTC

Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Hi NG
>>>
>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>>> annotations from previous versions.
>>>
>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>>
>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>>
>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In
>> other words,
>> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
>> the content.
>
>
> This is actually true.
>
> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>
> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
> reference...

Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
every single word in the text".

In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:

"In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
by the equations
X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
where
Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c} .

Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
of the wave-normals."

Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):

"Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
as phase shift."

and:

"Einstein should have written, what he meant with the term
(lx + my + nz)/c. My guess would be, that the variables x, y and z
are coordinates in K of a certain point (x,y,z) and the variables
l, m and n stem from the direction of the incoming wave at the position
of the observer. This term would create a time value, which represents
the phase shift of the plane wave at that point. The problem is, that
the angles at point (x, y, z) are different for spherical waves, hence
Einstein had to use the unphysical case of plane waves."

>
> As I was not really an Einstein expert, it took me a very long time to
> understand the entire text.

But eventually you did understand it? :-D

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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 by: JanPB - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 09:30 UTC

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
> > Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> >> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>> Hi NG
> >>>
> >>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >>> annotations from previous versions.
> >>>
> >>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>>
> >>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >>
> >> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In
> >> other words,
> >> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
> >> the content.
> >
> >
> > This is actually true.
> >
> > Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
> >
> > This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> > every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
> > reference...
> Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
> every single word in the text".
>
> In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
> Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:
>
> "In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
> let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
> a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
> be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
> by the equations
> X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> where
> Ī¦ = Ļ‰ {t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c } .
>
> Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
> the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
> of the wave-normals."
>
> Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
> the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):
>
> "Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
> If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
> of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
> dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
> where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
> The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
> and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
> certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
> Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
> the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
> as phase shift."
>
> and:
>
> "Einstein should have written, what he meant with the term
> (lx + my + nz)/c. My guess would be, that the variables x, y and z
> are coordinates in K of a certain point (x,y,z) and the variables
> l, m and n stem from the direction of the incoming wave at the position
> of the observer. This term would create a time value, which represents
> the phase shift of the plane wave at that point. The problem is, that
> the angles at point (x, y, z) are different for spherical waves, hence
> Einstein had to use the unphysical case of plane waves."

What he writes here is incredibly naive, this is high school wave motion
stuff here he is trying to discuss.

And then he proceeds to completely ignore a genuine leap in reasoning
(such leaps are standard in science papers written for experts) which
states that Phi = Phi' (on which the subsequent derivation of the formulas
on top of page 16 is based). The independence of phase (Phi) on the observer
is a bit non-trivial and true for both Galilean/Newtonian and Lorentzian/Einsteinian
mechanics. Again, it's non-trivial but also well-known so that its derivation
does not belong in a pro science paper, just like the proof that the derivative
of x^2 equals 2x does not belong in a pro mathematics paper.

Otherwise, his annotations are practically 100% about the material used
to tailor the piano soloist's clothes while pretending they are about the music.

--
Jan

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 20:25 UTC

Am 18.02.2023 um 11:36 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> Hi NG
>>>>
>>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>>>> annotations from previous versions.
>>>>
>>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>>>
>>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>>>
>>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other
>>> words, it only makes sense if the person making the annotations
>>> understands the content.
>>
>>
>> This is actually true.
>>
>> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>>
>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...
>
> Your problem in a nutshell.
> The point is not 'understanding the words'.
> You need to get the contents.
> (and of course any modern undergraduate textbook
> is far more suitable for that)
>

Actually I'm not dealing with the methaphysical content of Einstein's text.

My annotations are mainly about formal issues or wrong math or similar.

My aim is/was not to disprove relativity per se.

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 20:30 UTC

Am 18.02.2023 um 11:52 schrieb JanPB:
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:17:06 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> Hi NG
>>>>
>>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>>>> annotations from previous versions.
>>>>
>>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>>>
>>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>>>
>>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other words,
>>> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
>>> the content.
>> This is actually true.
>>
>> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>
> My point was that that's not what you are doing. What you are doing is
> like trying to learn playing piano by exclusively studying the fabric of
> the tuxedo (because piano players tend to wear tuxedo for recitals).

I wrote annotations into the English version of Einstein's text.

That is something legal and my hobby.

If you like to critizise my annotations, than feel free to do so.

Simply take any of my comments, quote that and show, where my commentens
were wrong.

Anything else like telling me what I need to do and what I should read
or learn, that is not related to the subject.

I surely apprecheate other comments, too, but mainly I'm interested in
comments about my annotations.

....

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 20:49 UTC

Am 20.02.2023 um 10:30 schrieb JanPB:
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Hi NG
>>>>>
>>>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>>>>> annotations from previous versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>>>>
>>>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>>>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>>>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>>>>
>>>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In
>>>> other words,
>>>> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
>>>> the content.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is actually true.
>>>
>>> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>>>
>>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
>>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
>>> reference...
>> Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
>> every single word in the text".
>>
>> In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
>> Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:
>>
>> "In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
>> let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
>> a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
>> be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
>> by the equations
>> X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>> Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>> Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>> where
>> Ī¦ = Ļ‰ {t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c } .
>>
>> Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
>> the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
>> of the wave-normals."
>>
>> Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
>> the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):
>>
>> "Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
>> If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
>> of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
>> dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
>> where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
>> The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
>> and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
>> certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
>> Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
>> the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
>> as phase shift."
>>
>> and:
>>
>> "Einstein should have written, what he meant with the term
>> (lx + my + nz)/c. My guess would be, that the variables x, y and z
>> are coordinates in K of a certain point (x,y,z) and the variables
>> l, m and n stem from the direction of the incoming wave at the position
>> of the observer. This term would create a time value, which represents
>> the phase shift of the plane wave at that point. The problem is, that
>> the angles at point (x, y, z) are different for spherical waves, hence
>> Einstein had to use the unphysical case of plane waves."
>
> What he writes here is incredibly naive, this is high school wave motion
> stuff here he is trying to discuss.

Actually not.

I think mainly like a programmer, who writes a code-review or something
similar.
I read a text and find a symbol like 'x', for instance.

Now x is not a variable and much less a physical quantity. Thaat 'x' is
simply a short text, which consists from a single ACII character 'x'.

That is is taken as the name of a variable.

Variables store something. The 'x' is a 'handle' by which that storage
is addressed.

Now I ask the question, what shall be stored at that storage.

So, I scimmed the text for possible meanings of 'x'.

The first occurance of 'x' denotes a scalar part of a postition vector
in coordinate system K.

So, ok, 'x' stores scalars, which mean a number, by which the unit
vector of that coordinate system shall be multiplied.

All together they build a vector (x,y,z), which belongs to system K.

That is nice and no problem at all.

But any further occurances of 'x' are therefore meant as scalar part of
position vector (x,y,z) from system K.

Similar with l, m, and n, which also occur in that equation.

These are 'direction cosines' and belong to angles of the incoming ray
at the position of the observer.

This is also nice and no problem at all.

But what does the author want to say with this equation, if the
position in K is not defined and the postion of the observer or a ray
arriving there were not under consideration?

I complained here about missing definitions of used variables and about
inconsisted or impossible interpretations of variables names already
used otherwise.

A computer programm would quit at that time with a general error message.

I wrote, that I do not understand, what the variables are supposed to
express.

My guess was, that phase angles were actually meant, but cannot read the
author's mind.

....

TH

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 by: JanPB - Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:44 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:25:33 PM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 18.02.2023 um 11:36 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> > Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> >>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>> Hi NG
> >>>>
> >>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >>>> annotations from previous versions.
> >>>>
> >>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>>>
> >>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >>>
> >>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other
> >>> words, it only makes sense if the person making the annotations
> >>> understands the content.
> >>
> >>
> >> This is actually true.
> >>
> >> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
> >>
> >> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> >> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...
> >
> > Your problem in a nutshell.
> > The point is not 'understanding the words'.
> > You need to get the contents.
> > (and of course any modern undergraduate textbook
> > is far more suitable for that)
> >
> Actually I'm not dealing with the methaphysical content of Einstein's text.
>
> My annotations are mainly about formal issues

They are either irrelevant or incorrect.

> or wrong math or similar.

There is no wrong math in the paper.

> My aim is/was not to disprove relativity per se.

I understand. But you are approaching this from a
completely nonsensical POV.

--
Jan

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On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:49:23 PM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 20.02.2023 um 10:30 schrieb JanPB:
> > On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >> Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
> >>> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> >>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>> Hi NG
> >>>>>
> >>>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >>>>> annotations from previous versions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >>>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >>>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >>>>
> >>>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In
> >>>> other words,
> >>>> it only makes sense if the person making the annotations understands
> >>>> the content.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is actually true.
> >>>
> >>> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
> >>>
> >>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> >>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
> >>> reference...
> >> Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
> >> every single word in the text".
> >>
> >> In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
> >> Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:
> >>
> >> "In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
> >> let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
> >> a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
> >> be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
> >> by the equations
> >> X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> >> Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> >> Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> >> where
> >> Ī¦ = Ļ‰ {t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c } .
> >>
> >> Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
> >> the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
> >> of the wave-normals."
> >>
> >> Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
> >> the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):
> >>
> >> "Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
> >> If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
> >> of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
> >> dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
> >> where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
> >> The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
> >> and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
> >> certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
> >> Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
> >> the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
> >> as phase shift."
> >>
> >> and:
> >>
> >> "Einstein should have written, what he meant with the term
> >> (lx + my + nz)/c. My guess would be, that the variables x, y and z
> >> are coordinates in K of a certain point (x,y,z) and the variables
> >> l, m and n stem from the direction of the incoming wave at the position
> >> of the observer. This term would create a time value, which represents
> >> the phase shift of the plane wave at that point. The problem is, that
> >> the angles at point (x, y, z) are different for spherical waves, hence
> >> Einstein had to use the unphysical case of plane waves."
> >
> > What he writes here is incredibly naive, this is high school wave motion
> > stuff here he is trying to discuss.
> Actually not.
>
> I think mainly like a programmer, who writes a code-review or something
> similar.

No, you are not. What you are writing is like writing details about the shape of the
wheel on one of the piano legs during a concert and submitting it as a review
of the concert performance by the soloist and the orchestra.

Your annotations don't even begin to touch any substance, while they
ignore completely instances of genuine (inessential) hiccups.

> I read a text and find a symbol like 'x', for instance.
>
> Now x is not a variable and much less a physical quantity. Thaat 'x' is
> simply a short text, which consists from a single ACII character 'x'.
>
> That is is taken as the name of a variable.
>
> Variables store something. The 'x' is a 'handle' by which that storage
> is addressed.
>
> Now I ask the question, what shall be stored at that storage.
>
> So, I scimmed the text for possible meanings of 'x'.
>
> The first occurance of 'x' denotes a scalar part of a postition vector
> in coordinate system K.
>
> So, ok, 'x' stores scalars, which mean a number, by which the unit
> vector of that coordinate system shall be multiplied.
>
> All together they build a vector (x,y,z), which belongs to system K.
>
> That is nice and no problem at all.
>
> But any further occurances of 'x' are therefore meant as scalar part of
> position vector (x,y,z) from system K.
>
> Similar with l, m, and n, which also occur in that equation.

None of it is of any importance whatsoever. Again, you are here debating
the details of the piano's leg. You delude yourself if you think this sort
of thing is of any consequence.

> These are 'direction cosines' and belong to angles of the incoming ray
> at the position of the observer.
> This is also nice and no problem at all.
>
> But what does the author want to say with this equation, if the
> position in K is not defined and the postion of the observer or a ray
> arriving there were not under consideration?

The very fact that you have to ask this question means that you
don't understand high school physics (wave motion). One doesn't
even know how to answer your question, the sheer lack of any
understanding on your part simply paralysing. I can try though:
the position of the observer is chosen arbitrarily and fixed.

> I complained here about missing definitions of used variables and about
> inconsisted or impossible interpretations of variables names already
> used otherwise.

Yes, but those are not valid complaints. Einstein's use of certain
notational conventions is completely standard and it remains
in current use, even in high school.

> A computer programm would quit at that time with a general error message.

That's irrelevant. Mathematics alone (let alone physics) cannot be
formalised as Goedel demonstrated in the 1930s.

> I wrote, that I do not understand, what the variables are supposed to
> express.

Yes. But you don't solve this problem by silly "annotating". You solve
this problem by learning the subject.

> My guess was, that phase angles were actually meant, but cannot read the
> author's mind.

You don't need to read the author's mind. The expression (using the complex
numbers) A*exp(i(wt - k.r)) is standard for plane waves, pick any elementary
E&M textbook. Your complaint about reading Einstein's mind here is like
complaining that a research mathematics paper just assumed that you knew
what logarithm was.

Einstein's notation is one of the many possible ones, all of them are covered
in any decent undergraduate physics textbook:

1. he uses the real numbers instead of the more compact "exp(i(...))" notation:

exp(i(wt - k.r)) = cos(wt - k.r) + i * sin(wt - k.r)

The amplitude A when considered as a complex number includes an overall
extra phase. In this case it can be taken to be zero, for obvious physics reasons.
So we can assume (as Einstein did) that the overal constant phase is zero and
X0, Y0, Z0 and L0, M0, N0 are real numbers,

2. he writes the 3 field components separately: X, Y, Z and L, M, N ,

3. he writes the vector I denoted by "k" above as "(l, m, n)" and the
position vector I denoted by "r" as "(x, y, z)",

4. so the dot product is:

k.r = (k) * (lx + my + nz),


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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Tue, 21 Feb 2023 20:48 UTC

Den 20.02.2023 21:49, skrev Thomas Heger:
> Am 20.02.2023 um 10:30 schrieb JanPB:
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>>
>>>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
>>>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
>>>> reference...

>>> Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
>>> every single word in the text".
>>>
>>> In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
>>> Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:
>>>
>>> "In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
>>> let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
>>> a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
>>> be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
>>> by the equations
>>> X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>>> Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>>> Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>>> where
>>> Ī¦ = Ļ‰ {t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c } .
>>>
>>> Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
>>> the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
>>> of the wave-normals."
>>>
>>> Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
>>> the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):
>>>
>>> "Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
>>> If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
>>> of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
>>> dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
>>> where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
>>> The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
>>> and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
>>> certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
>>> Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
>>> the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
>>> as phase shift."

Here you demonstrate:
- You don't know that Ī¦ is the phase of the wave.
Or rather: you don't know what the phase of a wave is.
- You don't understand that (t,x,y,z) are the coordinates
of an event.
- You don't understand that the phase is a function
Ī¦(t,x,y,z) of these coordinates. Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t-(lx + my + nz)/c}

And this is despite the fact that I (an probably several others)
have explained this to you before:

|03.04.2021 Paul B. Andersen wrote:
|> Look at this:
|> https://paulba.no/pdf/AberrationDoppler.pdf
|>
|> I am not expecting you to understand anything of it,
|> the point is that equation (1) and (2) are the equations
|> for the electric field in an EM wave moving in the positive
|> z direction. Equation (2) is the phase of the wave.
|> Equation (6) is the same equation as:
|> Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx+my+nz)/c}
|> with the slight difference that this is the phase
|> of a wave propagating in a general direction.
|>
|> Anybody with the slightest knowledge of physics
|> will immediately recognize these equations, and will know
|> that the wavelength is 2Ļ€c/Ļ‰. (Ī» = c/f)

|06.04.2021 Paul B. Andersen wrote:
|> Thomas, in all elementary physics books you will find
|> a chapter with the name "Wave motion" or similar.
|>
|> I looked in the first physic book I ever read,
|> Margenau et al: Physics, from 1953.
|> Here I find as the equation for a wave (any wave):
|>
|> y = Aā‹…sin(2Ļ€(t/P-x/Ī»))
|>
|> where P is the period, P = 1/f, and Ī» is the wavelength
|>
|> The argument of a sinus is always a phase,(an angle in radians), so:
|> Ī¦(t,x) = 2Ļ€(t/P-x/Ī»)
|>
|> This equation can be written on several equivalent forms:
|>
|> Einstein's equation was:
|> Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx+my+nz)/c}
|> In the case where the wave is moving along the x-axis,
|> the direction cosines are l = 1, m = 0 and n = 0,
|> and the equation for the phase can be written:
|> Ī¦(t,x) = Ļ‰(t - x/c) = (Ļ‰ā‹…t - (Ļ‰/c)ā‹…x)
|>
|> inserting Ļ‰ = 2Ļ€f yields:
|> Ī¦(t,x) = (2Ļ€fā‹…t āˆ’ (2Ļ€f/c)ā‹…x) = 2Ļ€(fā‹…t - (f/c)ā‹…x)
|>
|> inserting Ī» = c/f yields:
|> Ī¦(t,x) = 2Ļ€(fā‹…t āˆ’ (1/Ī»)ā‹…x)
|>
|> You don't have to be a physicist to know this,
|> it is _very_ elementary physics, and it was
|> known as such _long_ before 1905.

If you don't understand these equations, you are not
competent to read the paper where the equations occur.

>>
>> What he writes here is incredibly naive, this is high school wave motion
>> stuff here he is trying to discuss.

You said you were "forced to understand every single word in the text"
But you keep demonstrating that you understand nothing of the text:

>
> Actually not.
>
> I think mainly like a programmer, who writes a code-review or something
> similar.
> I read a text and find a symbol like 'x', for instance.
>
> Now x is not a variable and much less a physical quantity. Thaat 'x' is
> simply a short text, which consists from a single ACII character 'x'.
>
> That is is taken as the name of a variable.
>
> Variables store something. The 'x' is a 'handle' by which that storage
> is addressed.
>
> Now I ask the question, what shall be stored at that storage.
>
> So, I scimmed the text for possible meanings of 'x'.
>
> The first occurance of 'x' denotes a scalar part of a postition vector
> in coordinate system K.
>
> So, ok, 'x' stores scalars, which mean a number, by which the unit
> vector of that coordinate system shall be multiplied.
>
> All together they build a vector (x,y,z), which belongs to system K.
>
> That is nice and no problem at all.
>
> But any further occurances of 'x' are therefore meant as scalar part of
> position vector (x,y,z) from system K.

This reminds me of a Dilbert story.
I can't find the cartoon, but the story goes like this:

Teacher solving equations on the blackboard, saying:
" .. and then x = 5"

Dilbert raising his hand, saying:
"Wait a darn minute! Yesterday you said x = 3!"

>
> Similar with l, m, and n, which also occur in that equation.
>
> These are 'direction cosines' and belong to angles of the incoming ray
> at the position of the observer.
>
> This is also nice and no problem at all.
>
> But what does the author wantĀ  to say with this equation, if the
> position in K is not defined and the postion of the observer or a ray
> arriving there were not under consideration?

This is defined:

The equation is in the beginning of
Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration

If you read on, you will find:
".. an observer is moving with velocity v relatively to
an infinitely distant source of light of frequency Ī½ (nu),
in such a way that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€
makes the angle Ļ† with the velocity of the observer referred
to a system of co-ordinates which is at rest relatively to
the source of light,.."

You demonstrate that you do not understand what this means
in your "annotation".
"To define velocity in respect to infinity would be a very
bad idea, because ā€˜Infinitely distant' is remaining infinitely
distant, even if you move in respect to infinity. Velocity
is defined as v=dx/dt. And because that 'x' in dx is not
changing (stays always 'infinity'), v will remain zero, however
you move. Therefore, your velocity in respect to infinity is always
zero."

This is nonsense!

The source is stationary in K at infinity.
The observer is moving at the velocity vāƒ— in K, in such a way
that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€ makes the angle Ļ† with
the velocity.

Look.
A star with parallax - say < 1"- can be considered to be
infinitely far away, and stationary in the solar frame.(K)
And you are saying that the velocity of the Earth in the solar
frame is always zero because the star is so far away! :-D

https://paulba.no/pdf/Stellar_aberration.pdf

>
>
> I complained here about missing definitions of used variables and about
> inconsisted or impossible interpretations of variables names already
> used otherwise.
>
> A computer programm would quit at that time with a general error message.
>
> I wrote, that I do not understand, what the variables are supposed to
> express.


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 by: Thomas Heger - Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:39 UTC

Am 21.02.2023 um 10:44 schrieb JanPB:
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:25:33 PM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 18.02.2023 um 11:36 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>> Hi NG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
>>>>>> annotations from previous versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
>>>>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
>>>>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
>>>>>
>>>>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other
>>>>> words, it only makes sense if the person making the annotations
>>>>> understands the content.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is actually true.
>>>>
>>>> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
>>>>
>>>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
>>>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...
>>>
>>> Your problem in a nutshell.
>>> The point is not 'understanding the words'.
>>> You need to get the contents.
>>> (and of course any modern undergraduate textbook
>>> is far more suitable for that)
>>>
>> Actually I'm not dealing with the methaphysical content of Einstein's text.
>>
>> My annotations are mainly about formal issues
>
> They are either irrelevant or incorrect.

Well, this is theoretical physics and that is based on perfectionism in
formal and mathematical aspects.

I have, for instance, complained about the reuse vor variable names.

E.g. x' was used for different purposes or P or A.

Now, this is just a formal complaint, but about a serious issue.

The reuse of variable names for different quantities makes it difficult
to identify the intendend meaning.

Another issue was also formal:

you should not name the same quantity with different names.

I also wanted usual names like 'p' for pressure, because if other names
than common ones were used, then all variables need proper definitions.

But actually none of the variables were defined, what made the intended
meaning very difficult to identify.

These are simple formal issues, but they are not irrelevant.

Other formal issues were missing quotes.

Sure, that was just an article in a scientific paper.

But quotes are important and could not be left away, not even in 1905.

Yet another issue was, that quotes should be correct.

But Einstein quoted Heinrich Hertz implicitly, but not with the correct
equations. Hertz used absolute differentials and Einstein partial, while
calling that 'Maxwell-Hertz' equation, even it was not what Hertz had
written (as far as I could identify the source).

....

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:46 UTC

Am 21.02.2023 um 21:48 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
> Den 20.02.2023 21:49, skrev Thomas Heger:
>> Am 20.02.2023 um 10:30 schrieb JanPB:
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen
>>> wrote:
>>>> Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to
>>>>> understand
>>>>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
>>>>> reference...
>
>>>> Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
>>>> every single word in the text".
>>>>
>>>> In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
>>>> Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:
>>>>
>>>> "In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
>>>> let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
>>>> a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
>>>> be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
>>>> by the equations
>>>> X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>>>> Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>>>> Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
>>>> where
>>>> Ī¦ = Ļ‰ {t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c } .
>>>>
>>>> Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
>>>> the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
>>>> of the wave-normals."
>>>>
>>>> Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
>>>> the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):
>>>>
>>>> "Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
>>>> If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
>>>> of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
>>>> dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
>>>> where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
>>>> The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
>>>> and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
>>>> certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
>>>> Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
>>>> the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
>>>> as phase shift."
>
> Here you demonstrate:
> - You don't know that Ī¦ is the phase of the wave.
> Or rather: you don't know what the phase of a wave is.
> - You don't understand that (t,x,y,z) are the coordinates
> of an event.
> - You don't understand that the phase is a function
> Ī¦(t,x,y,z) of these coordinates. Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t-(lx + my + nz)/c}
>
> And this is despite the fact that I (an probably several others)
> have explained this to you before:
>
> |03.04.2021 Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> |> Look at this:
> |> https://paulba.no/pdf/AberrationDoppler.pdf
> |>
> |> I am not expecting you to understand anything of it,
> |> the point is that equation (1) and (2) are the equations
> |> for the electric field in an EM wave moving in the positive
> |> z direction. Equation (2) is the phase of the wave.
> |> Equation (6) is the same equation as:
> |> Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx+my+nz)/c}
> |> with the slight difference that this is the phase
> |> of a wave propagating in a general direction.
> |>
> |> Anybody with the slightest knowledge of physics
> |> will immediately recognize these equations, and will know
> |> that the wavelength is 2Ļ€c/Ļ‰. (Ī» = c/f)
>
> |06.04.2021 Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> |> Thomas, in all elementary physics books you will find
> |> a chapter with the name "Wave motion" or similar.
> |>
> |> I looked in the first physic book I ever read,
> |> Margenau et al: Physics, from 1953.
> |> Here I find as the equation for a wave (any wave):
> |>
> |> y = Aā‹…sin(2Ļ€(t/P-x/Ī»))
> |>
> |> where P is the period, P = 1/f, and Ī» is the wavelength
> |>
> |> The argument of a sinus is always a phase,(an angle in radians), so:
> |> Ī¦(t,x) = 2Ļ€(t/P-x/Ī»)
> |>
> |> This equation can be written on several equivalent forms:
> |>
> |> Einstein's equation was:
> |> Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx+my+nz)/c}
> |> In the case where the wave is moving along the x-axis,
> |> the direction cosines are l = 1, m = 0 and n = 0,
> |> and the equation for the phase can be written:
> |> Ī¦(t,x) = Ļ‰(t - x/c) = (Ļ‰ā‹…t - (Ļ‰/c)ā‹…x)
> |>
> |> inserting Ļ‰ = 2Ļ€f yields:
> |> Ī¦(t,x) = (2Ļ€fā‹…t āˆ’ (2Ļ€f/c)ā‹…x) = 2Ļ€(fā‹…t - (f/c)ā‹…x)
> |>
> |> inserting Ī» = c/f yields:
> |> Ī¦(t,x) = 2Ļ€(fā‹…t āˆ’ (1/Ī»)ā‹…x)
> |>
> |> You don't have to be a physicist to know this,
> |> it is _very_ elementary physics, and it was
> |> known as such _long_ before 1905.
>
> If you don't understand these equations, you are not
> competent to read the paper where the equations occur.
>
>
>>>
>>> What he writes here is incredibly naive, this is high school wave motion
>>> stuff here he is trying to discuss.
>
> You said you were "forced to understand every single word in the text"
> But you keep demonstrating that you understand nothing of the text:
>
>>
>> Actually not.
>>
>> I think mainly like a programmer, who writes a code-review or
>> something similar.
>> I read a text and find a symbol like 'x', for instance.
>>
>> Now x is not a variable and much less a physical quantity. Thaat 'x'
>> is simply a short text, which consists from a single ACII character 'x'.
>>
>> That is is taken as the name of a variable.
>>
>> Variables store something. The 'x' is a 'handle' by which that storage
>> is addressed.
>>
>> Now I ask the question, what shall be stored at that storage.
>>
>> So, I scimmed the text for possible meanings of 'x'.
>>
>> The first occurance of 'x' denotes a scalar part of a postition vector
>> in coordinate system K.
>>
>> So, ok, 'x' stores scalars, which mean a number, by which the unit
>> vector of that coordinate system shall be multiplied.
>>
>> All together they build a vector (x,y,z), which belongs to system K.
>>
>> That is nice and no problem at all.
>>
>> But any further occurances of 'x' are therefore meant as scalar part
>> of position vector (x,y,z) from system K.
>
> This reminds me of a Dilbert story.
> I can't find the cartoon, but the story goes like this:
>
> Teacher solving equations on the blackboard, saying:
> " .. and then x = 5"
>
> Dilbert raising his hand, saying:
> "Wait a darn minute! Yesterday you said x = 3!"
>
>>
>> Similar with l, m, and n, which also occur in that equation.
>>
>> These are 'direction cosines' and belong to angles of the incoming ray
>> at the position of the observer.
>>
>> This is also nice and no problem at all.
>>
>> But what does the author want to say with this equation, if the
>> position in K is not defined and the postion of the observer or a ray
>> arriving there were not under consideration?
>
> This is defined:
>
> The equation is in the beginning of
> Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
>
> If you read on, you will find:
> ".. an observer is moving with velocity v relatively to
> an infinitely distant source of light of frequency Ī½ (nu),
> in such a way that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€
> makes the angle Ļ† with the velocity of the observer referred
> to a system of co-ordinates which is at rest relatively to
> the source of light,.."
>
> You demonstrate that you do not understand what this means
> in your "annotation".
> "To define velocity in respect to infinity would be a very
> bad idea, because ā€˜Infinitely distant' is remaining infinitely
> distant, even if you move in respect to infinity. Velocity
> is defined as v=dx/dt. And because that 'x' in dx is not
> changing (stays always 'infinity'), v will remain zero, however
> you move. Therefore, your velocity in respect to infinity is always
> zero."
>
> This is nonsense!


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On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:39:15ā€ÆAM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 21.02.2023 um 10:44 schrieb JanPB:
> > On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:25:33 PM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >> Am 18.02.2023 um 11:36 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> >>> Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Am 18.02.2023 um 10:48 schrieb JanPB:
> >>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:02:00 AM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi NG
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> now I have finished my latest version after rewriting almost all
> >>>>>> annotations from previous versions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The idea behind writing aannotations is this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> take a certain text (here: 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' by
> >>>>>> A. Einstein from 1905) and write annotations into it, similar to how a
> >>>>>> professor writes annotations into the homework of a student.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It only makes sense if it's truly a teacher-pupil relationship. In other
> >>>>> words, it only makes sense if the person making the annotations
> >>>>> understands the content.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is actually true.
> >>>>
> >>>> Iow: you can only learn to swim by swimming.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to understand
> >>>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or reference...
> >>>
> >>> Your problem in a nutshell.
> >>> The point is not 'understanding the words'.
> >>> You need to get the contents.
> >>> (and of course any modern undergraduate textbook
> >>> is far more suitable for that)
> >>>
> >> Actually I'm not dealing with the methaphysical content of Einstein's text.
> >>
> >> My annotations are mainly about formal issues
> >
> > They are either irrelevant or incorrect.
> Well, this is theoretical physics and that is based on perfectionism in
> formal and mathematical aspects.

No, this is most definitely not how this works. Perfectionism is in fact
detrimental to understanding in scientific writing. This is well-known.

> I have, for instance, complained about the reuse vor variable names.

Yes, this is standard and a great aid to exposition. But it presumes
a certain degree of competence on the part of the writer and the reader.

> E.g. x' was used for different purposes or P or A.

Again, this is standard and a great aid to exposition.

> Now, this is just a formal complaint, but about a serious issue.

It's not an issue, just like rubato is not an "issue" in music performance.

> The reuse of variable names for different quantities makes it difficult
> to identify the intendend meaning.

To an inexperienced reader, yes. This is not the intended audience, however..
A scientist cannot write research papers as if his audience consisted of
beginners.

> Another issue was also formal:
>
> you should not name the same quantity with different names.

This is standard and an aid in exposition and understanding. Obviously,
it can be overdone, that's why the concept of "taste" is important in
scientific writing. But to judge this aspect, one needs lots of experience.

> I also wanted usual names like 'p' for pressure, because if other names
> than common ones were used, then all variables need proper definitions.
>
> But actually none of the variables were defined, what made the intended
> meaning very difficult to identify.

Everything is defined to a sufficient degree in that paper.

> These are simple formal issues, but they are not irrelevant.

They are mostly irrelevant.

--
Jan

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On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:46:44ā€ÆAM UTC+1, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 21.02.2023 um 21:48 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
> > Den 20.02.2023 21:49, skrev Thomas Heger:
> >> Am 20.02.2023 um 10:30 schrieb JanPB:
> >>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Den 18.02.2023 11:17, skrev Thomas Heger:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is why the method works really great: you are forced to
> >>>>> understand
> >>>>> every single word in the text, every equation, every picture or
> >>>>> reference...
> >
> >>>> Let's see an example of how Thomas is "forced to understand
> >>>> every single word in the text".
> >>>>
> >>>> In Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
> >>>> Einstein starts with defining an em-wave:
> >>>>
> >>>> "In the system K, very far from the origin of co-ordinates,
> >>>> let there be a source of electrodynamic waves, which in
> >>>> a part of space containing the origin of co-ordinates may
> >>>> be represented to a sufficient degree of approximation
> >>>> by the equations
> >>>> X = Xā‚€ sin Ī¦, L = Lā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> >>>> Y = Yā‚€ sin Ī¦, M = Mā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> >>>> Z = Zā‚€ sin Ī¦, N = Nā‚€ sin Ī¦,
> >>>> where
> >>>> Ī¦ = Ļ‰ {t āˆ’ (lx + my + nz)/c } .
> >>>>
> >>>> Here (Xā‚€, Yā‚€, Zā‚€) and (Lā‚€, Mā‚€, Nā‚€) are the vectors defining
> >>>> the amplitude of the wave-train, and l, m, n the direction-cosines
> >>>> of the wave-normals."
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas has two "annotations" for the equation of
> >>>> the phase Ī¦(t,x,y,z):
> >>>>
> >>>> "Phi is the product of a time interval and a frequency term.
> >>>> If you multiply frequency and a duration, you get the number
> >>>> of waves in a certain interval plus a phase angle. Such
> >>>> dimensionless numbers are useful for the equations above,
> >>>> where they describe the sinusoidal behaviour of the waves.
> >>>> The 'time-interval' t is not time per se (as in our dates
> >>>> and times of our clocks), because the start of the wave was
> >>>> certainly not synchronized with the birth of Christ.
> >>>> Instead t starts with a zero of the sinusoidal wave, while
> >>>> the small term 1/c(lx + my + nz) could eventually be meant
> >>>> as phase shift."
> >
> > Here you demonstrate:
> > - You don't know that Ī¦ is the phase of the wave.
> > Or rather: you don't know what the phase of a wave is.
> > - You don't understand that (t,x,y,z) are the coordinates
> > of an event.
> > - You don't understand that the phase is a function
> > Ī¦(t,x,y,z) of these coordinates. Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t-(lx + my + nz)/c}
> >
> > And this is despite the fact that I (an probably several others)
> > have explained this to you before:
> >
> > |03.04.2021 Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> > |> Look at this:
> > |> https://paulba.no/pdf/AberrationDoppler.pdf
> > |>
> > |> I am not expecting you to understand anything of it,
> > |> the point is that equation (1) and (2) are the equations
> > |> for the electric field in an EM wave moving in the positive
> > |> z direction. Equation (2) is the phase of the wave.
> > |> Equation (6) is the same equation as:
> > |> Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx+my+nz)/c}
> > |> with the slight difference that this is the phase
> > |> of a wave propagating in a general direction.
> > |>
> > |> Anybody with the slightest knowledge of physics
> > |> will immediately recognize these equations, and will know
> > |> that the wavelength is 2Ļ€c/Ļ‰. (Ī» = c/f)
> >
> > |06.04.2021 Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> > |> Thomas, in all elementary physics books you will find
> > |> a chapter with the name "Wave motion" or similar.
> > |>
> > |> I looked in the first physic book I ever read,
> > |> Margenau et al: Physics, from 1953.
> > |> Here I find as the equation for a wave (any wave):
> > |>
> > |> y = Aā‹…sin(2Ļ€(t/P-x/Ī»))
> > |>
> > |> where P is the period, P = 1/f, and Ī» is the wavelength
> > |>
> > |> The argument of a sinus is always a phase,(an angle in radians), so:
> > |> Ī¦(t,x) = 2Ļ€(t/P-x/Ī»)
> > |>
> > |> This equation can be written on several equivalent forms:
> > |>
> > |> Einstein's equation was:
> > |> Ī¦ = Ļ‰{t āˆ’ (lx+my+nz)/c}
> > |> In the case where the wave is moving along the x-axis,
> > |> the direction cosines are l = 1, m = 0 and n = 0,
> > |> and the equation for the phase can be written:
> > |> Ī¦(t,x) = Ļ‰(t - x/c) = (Ļ‰ā‹…t - (Ļ‰/c)ā‹…x)
> > |>
> > |> inserting Ļ‰ = 2Ļ€f yields:
> > |> Ī¦(t,x) = (2Ļ€fā‹…t āˆ’ (2Ļ€f/c)ā‹…x) = 2Ļ€(fā‹…t - (f/c)ā‹…x)
> > |>
> > |> inserting Ī» = c/f yields:
> > |> Ī¦(t,x) = 2Ļ€(fā‹…t āˆ’ (1/Ī»)ā‹…x)
> > |>
> > |> You don't have to be a physicist to know this,
> > |> it is _very_ elementary physics, and it was
> > |> known as such _long_ before 1905.
> >
> > If you don't understand these equations, you are not
> > competent to read the paper where the equations occur.
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> What he writes here is incredibly naive, this is high school wave motion
> >>> stuff here he is trying to discuss.
> >
> > You said you were "forced to understand every single word in the text"
> > But you keep demonstrating that you understand nothing of the text:
> >
> >>
> >> Actually not.
> >>
> >> I think mainly like a programmer, who writes a code-review or
> >> something similar.
> >> I read a text and find a symbol like 'x', for instance.
> >>
> >> Now x is not a variable and much less a physical quantity. Thaat 'x'
> >> is simply a short text, which consists from a single ACII character 'x'.
> >>
> >> That is is taken as the name of a variable.
> >>
> >> Variables store something. The 'x' is a 'handle' by which that storage
> >> is addressed.
> >>
> >> Now I ask the question, what shall be stored at that storage.
> >>
> >> So, I scimmed the text for possible meanings of 'x'.
> >>
> >> The first occurance of 'x' denotes a scalar part of a postition vector
> >> in coordinate system K.
> >>
> >> So, ok, 'x' stores scalars, which mean a number, by which the unit
> >> vector of that coordinate system shall be multiplied.
> >>
> >> All together they build a vector (x,y,z), which belongs to system K.
> >>
> >> That is nice and no problem at all.
> >>
> >> But any further occurances of 'x' are therefore meant as scalar part
> >> of position vector (x,y,z) from system K.
> >
> > This reminds me of a Dilbert story.
> > I can't find the cartoon, but the story goes like this:
> >
> > Teacher solving equations on the blackboard, saying:
> > " .. and then x = 5"
> >
> > Dilbert raising his hand, saying:
> > "Wait a darn minute! Yesterday you said x = 3!"
> >
> >>
> >> Similar with l, m, and n, which also occur in that equation.
> >>
> >> These are 'direction cosines' and belong to angles of the incoming ray
> >> at the position of the observer.
> >>
> >> This is also nice and no problem at all.
> >>
> >> But what does the author want to say with this equation, if the
> >> position in K is not defined and the postion of the observer or a ray
> >> arriving there were not under consideration?
> >
> > This is defined:
> >
> > The equation is in the beginning of
> > Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
> >
> > If you read on, you will find:
> > ".. an observer is moving with velocity v relatively to
> > an infinitely distant source of light of frequency Ī½ (nu),
> > in such a way that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€
> > makes the angle Ļ† with the velocity of the observer referred
> > to a system of co-ordinates which is at rest relatively to
> > the source of light,.."
> >
> > You demonstrate that you do not understand what this means
> > in your "annotation".
> > "To define velocity in respect to infinity would be a very
> > bad idea, because ā€˜Infinitely distant' is remaining infinitely
> > distant, even if you move in respect to infinity. Velocity
> > is defined as v=dx/dt. And because that 'x' in dx is not
> > changing (stays always 'infinity'), v will remain zero, however
> > you move. Therefore, your velocity in respect to infinity is always
> > zero."
> >
> > This is nonsense!
> Why is this nonsense??
>
> Infinity is not a location, but infinitly far away.
>
> A signal from infinity would need infinite time to reach us, hence would
> never be here.


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Subject: Re: New annotated version of SRT
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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Thu, 23 Feb 2023 19:33 UTC

Den 23.02.2023 08:46, skrev Thomas Heger:
> Am 21.02.2023 um 21:48 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>
>> The equation is in the beginning of
>> Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
>>
>> If you read on, you will find:
>> Ā  ".. an observer is moving with velocity v relatively to
>> Ā Ā  an infinitely distant source of light of frequency Ī½ (nu),
>> Ā Ā  in such a way that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€
>> Ā Ā  makes the angle Ļ† with the velocity of the observer referred
>> Ā Ā  to a system of co-ordinates which is at rest relatively to
>> Ā Ā  the source of light,.."
>>
>> You demonstrate that you do not understand what this means
>> in your "annotation".
>> Ā  "To define velocity in respect to infinity would be a very
>> Ā Ā  bad idea, because ā€˜Infinitely distant' is remaining infinitely
>> Ā Ā  distant, even if you move in respect to infinity. Velocity
>> Ā Ā  is defined as v=dx/dt. And because that 'x' in dx is not
>> Ā Ā  changing (stays always 'infinity'), v will remain zero, however
>> Ā Ā  you move. Therefore, your velocity in respect to infinity is always
>> Ā Ā  zero."
>>
>> This is nonsense!

>
> Why is this nonsense??

This was explained in the part you snipped.
Do you not read what you are responding to?

>> The source is stationary in K at infinity.
>> The observer is moving at the velocity vāƒ— in K, in such a way
>> that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€ makes the angle Ļ† with
>> the velocity.
>>
>> Look.
>> A star with parallax - say < 1"- can be considered to be
>> infinitely far away, and stationary in the solar frame.(K)
>> And you are saying that the velocity of the Earth in the solar
>> frame is always zero because the star is so far away! šŸ˜‚

Please bother to read the following this time!

Let us be concrete:
Let the source be a star in the ecliptic plane.
At the time of observation, the direction to the star is
such that the Sun, Earth and star are on the same line.
Your velocity in the Solar frame is ā‰ˆ 30 km/s, the direction
is perpendicular to said line.

Note that the distance to the star is irrelevant, it is
only the direction that matters. So it might as well
be considered to be infinitely far away.

So: (see Einstein's words above)
The connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€ makes the angle Ļ† = 90ā°
with the velocity of the observer (you) referred to a system
of co-ordinates (the solar system) which is at rest relatively
to the source of light.

Do you now understand that your velocity is perfectly well defined
even if the distance to the star is unknown (considered to be infinite)?
It is indeed nonsensical to claim otherwise.

From the above, we can calculate at what angle Ļ†' you will see the star:

Einstein's equation for aberration:
cosĻ†ā€² = (cosĻ† āˆ’ v/c)/(1 āˆ’ cosĻ†Ā·v/c)

Ļ† = 90ā°, cosĻ† = 0, v/c = 30000/3e8 = 1e-4

cosĻ†ā€² = -1e-4, Ļ†ā€²ā‰ˆ (Ļ€/2 - 1e-4) radians = 90ā°-20.6"

To see the star, you have to point your telescope
20.6 arcseconds in front of the line Sun-Earth-star.

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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From: r.hac...@frite.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Thu, 23 Feb 2023 20:57 UTC

Le 23/02/2023 Ć  20:33, "Paul B. Andersen" a Ć©crit :
> Den 23.02.2023 08:46, skrev Thomas Heger:
>> Am 21.02.2023 um 21:48 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>>
>>> The equation is in the beginning of
>>> Ā§ 7. Theory of Dopplerā€™s Principle and of Aberration
>>>
>>> If you read on, you will find:
>>> Ā  ".. an observer is moving with velocity v relatively to
>>> Ā Ā  an infinitely distant source of light of frequency Ī½ (nu),
>>> Ā Ā  in such a way that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€
>>> Ā Ā  makes the angle Ļ† with the velocity of the observer referred
>>> Ā Ā  to a system of co-ordinates which is at rest relatively to
>>> Ā Ā  the source of light,.."
>>>
>>> You demonstrate that you do not understand what this means
>>> in your "annotation".
>>> Ā  "To define velocity in respect to infinity would be a very
>>> Ā Ā  bad idea, because ā€˜Infinitely distant' is remaining infinitely
>>> Ā Ā  distant, even if you move in respect to infinity. Velocity
>>> Ā Ā  is defined as v=dx/dt. And because that 'x' in dx is not
>>> Ā Ā  changing (stays always 'infinity'), v will remain zero, however
>>> Ā Ā  you move. Therefore, your velocity in respect to infinity is always
>>> Ā Ā  zero."
>>>
>>> This is nonsense!
>
>>
>> Why is this nonsense? ?
>
> This was explained in the part you snipped.
> Do you not read what you are responding to?
>
>>> The source is stationary in K at infinity.
>>> The observer is moving at the velocity vāƒ— in K, in such a way
>>> that the connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€ makes the angle Ļ† with
>>> the velocity.
>>>
>>> Look.
>>> A star with parallax - say < 1"- can be considered to be
>>> infinitely far away, and stationary in the solar frame.(K)
>>> And you are saying that the velocity of the Earth in the solar
>>> frame is always zero because the star is so far away! šŸ˜‚
>
> Please bother to read the following this time!
>
> Let us be concrete:
> Let the source be a star in the ecliptic plane.
> At the time of observation, the direction to the star is
> such that the Sun, Earth and star are on the same line.
> Your velocity in the Solar frame is ā‰ˆ 30 km/s, the direction
> is perpendicular to said line.
>
> Note that the distance to the star is irrelevant, it is
> only the direction that matters. So it might as well
> be considered to be infinitely far away.
>
> So: (see Einstein's words above)
> The connecting line ā€œsource-observerā€ makes the angle Ļ† = 90ā°
> with the velocity of the observer (you) referred to a system
> of co-ordinates (the solar system) which is at rest relatively
> to the source of light.
>
> Do you now understand that your velocity is perfectly well defined
> even if the distance to the star is unknown (considered to be infinite)?
> It is indeed nonsensical to claim otherwise.
>
> From the above, we can calculate at what angle Ļ†' you will see the star:
>
> Einstein's equation for aberration:
> cosĻ†ā€² = (cosĻ† āˆ’ v/c)/(1 āˆ’ cosĻ†Ā·v/c)
>
> Ļ† = 90ā°, cosĻ† = 0, v/c = 30000/3e8 = 1e-4
>
> cosĻ†ā€² = -1e-4, Ļ†ā€²ā‰ˆ (Ļ€/2 - 1e-4) radians = 90ā°-20.6"
>
> To see the star, you have to point your telescope
> 20.6 arcseconds in front of the line Sun-Earth-star.

What you say is entirely true, except that you say it was calculated by
Einstein.

We must stop putting Einstein all over the place, it becomes ridiculous.

This is false, the calculation is derived by itself from the
PoincarƩ-Lorentz transformations.

Just take these transformations as I gave them myself, making them more
"physically obvious", and you get right away:

<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?f39m55jBy0YQroBCrPBwVVIN-m4@jntp/Data.Media:1>

As we see, the angle has no relation to the distance from the star.

On the other hand, if we know the distance of the star in the solar
reference frame, we can know when its light was emitted (To=d/c),
but we can also know what its position will be in the reference frame of
the terrestrial observer (the star will be further away and its light
emitted earlier).

It's extremely simple and very obvious if you understand how
transformations work (it's high school level).

> To see the star, you have to point your telescope
> 20.6 arcseconds in front of the line Sun-Earth-star.

Absolutly.

R.H.


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