It is always lovely to see the emergence of a solar system using different snapshots across the Universe to create a continuous narrative.

https://webbtelescope.org/contents/news-releases/2023/news-2023-109

I haven't seen any Webb images of SN1987a, however, there is a possibility that certain supernova events represent a transition phase in a stellar lifecycle as the birth of the solar system rather than the death of a star. I feel that researchers in this matter, one of the bright spots in research, will eventually get there-

https://www.news.ucsb.edu/2022/020668/star-survived-supernova

I always include the issue of the galactic orbital motion of a star and a solar system as it makes more sense to derive a planetary system, like our own, from our parent star which orbits the galactic centre.

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

> ...there is a possibility that certain supernova events represent a transition phase in a stellar lifecycle as the birth of the solar system rather than the death of a star.

There is zero evidence that this is the case. It is beyond absurd that you suggest otherwise.

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:13:22 AM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
>
> > ...there is a possibility that certain supernova events represent a transition phase in a stellar lifecycle as the birth of the solar system rather than the death of a star.
>
> There is zero evidence that this is the case. It is beyond absurd that you suggest otherwise.

The modification to direct/retrograde motions from the original postulate of Copernicus is bigger than the modification Kepler introduced in terms of variable orbital speeds. The latter insight is tied into this Fomahaut system as the geometry of the position of the star and the external ring indicate a galactic orbital component-

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/fap/image/0507/fomalhaut_hst_wf.jpg

This is not for the dull and negative people no more than the partitioning of direct/retrogrades depending on whether the planets are moving faster or slower than our planet. Of course, the transition phase of a supernova star from a singular mass to the birth of a solar system is speculative, however, certain geometric aspects of its evolution dictate a distinct possibility. The fact is that I was working on the same geometric structure in 1990 that first appeared as imaging of SN1987a almost 30 years ago with specific reasoning attached.

You have to go the same way as the science fiction contributor who lost the ability to discuss anything due to his specific trait because you are so predictable that you are better off in the relativity forum where they lost the struggle with what they learned in their school days and ultimately with themselves.

On Mon, 8 May 2023 20:13:20 -0700 (PDT), palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 3:35:02?PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
>
>> ...there is a possibility that certain supernova events represent a transition phase in a stellar lifecycle as the birth of the solar system rather than the death of a star.
>
>There is zero evidence that this is the case. It is beyond absurd that you suggest otherwise.

That understates it. There is abundant evidence that refutes that
absurd position, not merely an absence of supporting evidence.

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:50:04 PM UTC+1, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 8 May 2023 20:13:20 -0700 (PDT), palsing <pnal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 3:35:02?PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
> >
> >> ...there is a possibility that certain supernova events represent a transition phase in a stellar lifecycle as the birth of the solar system rather than the death of a star.
> >
> >There is zero evidence that this is the case. It is beyond absurd that you suggest otherwise.
> That understates it. There is abundant evidence that refutes that
> absurd position, not merely an absence of supporting evidence.

There is a certain satisfaction in seeing and hearing the major modification to planetary direct/retrograde motion resolutions in the mouth of a celebrity even when observers here had the reasoning leading up to the resolution using split perspectives ( 8:30 minutes in) over a decade ago-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQh1xFce7s&t=520s

Everything is absurd until it becomes accepted so although the explanation is written in a hundred comments over the last decade like pages of a book and nowhere else, any complaints among present contributors mean nothing.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

The supernova issue is different as the evolutionary process of a star is also scattered throughout the Universe and waiting to be assembled like a book through observations. Unlike the issue above which is an observational certainty and larger as an innovation than Kepler's variable orbital speeds for reasons nobody here could possibly understand, the issue of certain supernova events as a transition of a star of singular mass to a solar system like a metamorphosis rather than the death of a star is slowly being put together.

You pair can discuss backsides and padded seats where you belong.

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 8:23:10 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:....

>... the issue of certain supernova events as a transition of a star of singular mass to a solar system like a metamorphosis rather than the death of a star is slowly being put together.

No, it is not, except, perhaps, in your very fertile imagination, Gerald. Of course, if you have evidence to support your extremely weak position, I would surely like to see it!

Evidence rules... got any? I am pretty sure that you do not...

The bulk of the research was on the SN1987a event and the evolution of the ring at the intersection of the two large external rings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12g2Nq3_2I

The presence of hydrogen in carbonado diamonds found on Earth indicates that any supernova event had to have occurred close to the emergence of the Earth itself so just as easy to look at stellar evolution as a transition phase rather than the death of a star, at least certain supernovae stars.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070109172003.htm

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:37:05 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

> The presence of hydrogen in carbonado diamonds found on Earth indicates that any supernova event had to have occurred close to the emergence of the Earth itself ...

There is zero evidence in support of this claim. The supernova event could have been literally billions of years earlier.

There is no doubt that elements heavier than hydrogen and helium were created in supernovae, but that does not mean that these supernovae happened at the same time as the Earth was created. THAT would be impossible, according to current models.

You can't just make it up as you go along and expect anyone to believe it.... evidence rules, and you have none.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

When someone resolves a 500-year-old issue on direct/retrograde resolutions without proper attribution then they neither like the Universe and the Universe sure does not pay them attention. I adore what was handed on to me and appreciate it was simply the lack of satellite observations to demonstrate the Earth moves by means of the annual change in the position of the stars free of RA/Dec modelling thereby setting the central Sun up for the back-and-forth motions of Venus and Mercury or their direct/retrograde motion resolution.

A person has to have a feeling for creation and that I have not seen, here nor elsewhere even when celebrities mangle the explanation above.

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

When someone else sees the resolution of a 500-year-old issue on direct/retrograde resolutions without according the proper attrribution to the individual who gifted it to them then they neither like the Universe and the Universe will not return the feeling. I adore what was handed on to me and appreciate it was simply the lack of satellite observations to demonstrate the Earth moves by means of the annual change in the position of the stars free of RA/Dec modelling thereby setting the central Sun up for the back-and-forth motions of Venus and Mercury or their direct/retrograde motion resolution.

Things move on.