While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those two always set the record.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those two always set the record.

Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
<https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
No need to thank me.

Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
on purpose to hide something.

BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
grievous mistake.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those two always set the record.
>
> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
> No need to thank me.
>
> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
> on purpose to hide something.
>
> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
> grievous mistake.
>

same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
bike a few times but I never commented on it.

IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
straight.

--
Add xx to reply

Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had
>>> to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the
>>> Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those
>>> two always set the record.
>>
>> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
>> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
>> No need to thank me.
>>
>> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
>> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
>> on purpose to hide something.
>>
>> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
>> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
>> grievous mistake.
>>
>
>
> same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
> comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
> bike a few times but I never commented on it.
>
>
> IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
> he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
> straight.
>

Let alone that Cannondale Optimo is a road race bike. Typo one assumes.

https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/race/caad-optimo/caad-optimo-1

Still on rims at least now, older models did have cable operated brakes,
which those are Avid BB7 the red adjusters being big giveaway ie mechanical
no hydraulics even mechanical operated.

Their Gravel bikes are the Topstone and always have been.

Roger Merriman

On 2/27/2024 3:38 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had
>>>> to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the
>>>> Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those
>>>> two always set the record.
>>>
>>> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
>>> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
>>> No need to thank me.
>>>
>>> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
>>> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
>>> on purpose to hide something.
>>>
>>> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
>>> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
>>> grievous mistake.
>>>
>>
>>
>> same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
>> comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
>> bike a few times but I never commented on it.
>>
>>
>> IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
>> he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
>> straight.
>>
>
> Let alone that Cannondale Optimo is a road race bike. Typo one assumes.

No, it's not a typo. Tom, as usual, is wrong, and on top of that he's
lying about me commenting on it.

I never wrote anything - one way or the other - about the Cdale Optimo
until now.

What he actually has listed is a 2005 cyclocross bike.

https://vintagecannondale.com/year/2005/2005.pdf
Refer to page 46

Tom's bike has the identical color and decal scheme as the Cyclocross
Optimo Disc model. The difference is that he (or someone) replaced the
original straight leg fork with a more traditional curved fork, Probably
one of those cheap chinese carbon Kinesis forks.

He must feel awful to always be wrong and have me and Jeff always set
the record straight.

For the current vintage, you're correct,the Optimo is a road bike. As
far as I can find, Cdale never made a gravel bike under the Optimo
model. Remember though that Optimo is a tubing/material name, not a
specific model. Cdale has offered Optimo frames under a variety of
different models over the years.

>
> https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/race/caad-optimo/caad-optimo-1
>
> Still on rims at least now, older models did have cable operated brakes,
> which those are Avid BB7 the red adjusters being big giveaway ie mechanical
> no hydraulics even mechanical operated.
>
> Their Gravel bikes are the Topstone and always have been.
>
> Roger Merriman
>
>
>

--
Add xx to reply

On Tue Feb 27 20:38:02 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had
> >>> to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the
> >>> Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those
> >>> two always set the record.
> >>
> >> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
> >> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
> >> No need to thank me.
> >>
> >> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
> >> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
> >> on purpose to hide something.
> >>
> >> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
> >> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
> >> grievous mistake.
> >>
> >
> >
> > same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
> > comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
> > bike a few times but I never commented on it.
> >
> >
> > IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
> > he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
> > straight.
> >
>
> Let alone that Cannondale Optimo is a road race bike. Typo one assumes.
>
> https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/race/caad-optimo/caad-optimo-1
>
> Still on rims at least now, older models did have cable operated brakes,
> which those are Avid BB7 the red adjusters being big giveaway ie mechanical
> no hydraulics even mechanical operated.
>
> Their Gravel bikes are the Topstone and always have been.
>
> Roger Merriman
>
>
>
-

I believe that the discs are enclosed mechanically actuated hydraulics. When you pull the brakes the disk does not move over to one side like a pure mechanical brake does. And they are a bit large for pure mechanical. And actualtion is smooth and very powerful. The mechanical discs I used before were none of those.

As for their denial they refused to believe that I was buying a Cannondale gravel bike - you have watched these punks deny absolutely anything I have said - that ass Liebermann EVEN denied that the sign I posted a picture of was where I stated it was! There has been something seriously wrong with those guys from the first not because of anything I started but simply because they refused to believe that I was a self taught electronics engineer and they worked so hard to get nowhere themselves. Just the other day that idiot Liebermann was claiming I hadn't worked in electrinics for over 50 years because my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies that thought that long resume's were negative and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact, there was a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable. In the meantime Liebermann, like rygowski, couldn't work a real engineering job deespite having a degree (which isn't unusual mind you) and took different paths. Flunky is at the very lowest end of being an EE. He is there only to sign off paperwork.

Scharf has said that he was an EE but never went into any detail of what he did. Dollars to donuts it was far more than those three accomplished in their entire careers.

I really shouldn't be knocking these guys because they made a living and 80% of those with a degree never worked a single day in engineering. But they have to face facts that a degree means almost nothing except in special cases. Unfortunately, I only occassionally ran into these special cases. Most of the time I ended up with the rejects like Liebermann and had to do their work as well as mine.

On Wed Feb 28 08:38:28 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/27/2024 3:38 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had
> >>>> to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the
> >>>> Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those
> >>>> two always set the record.
> >>>
> >>> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
> >>> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
> >>> No need to thank me.
> >>>
> >>> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
> >>> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
> >>> on purpose to hide something.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
> >>> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
> >>> grievous mistake.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
> >> comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
> >> bike a few times but I never commented on it.
> >>
> >>
> >> IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
> >> he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
> >> straight.
> >>
> >
> > Let alone that Cannondale Optimo is a road race bike. Typo one assumes.
>
> No, it's not a typo. Tom, as usual, is wrong, and on top of that he's
> lying about me commenting on it.
>
> I never wrote anything - one way or the other - about the Cdale Optimo
> until now.
>
> What he actually has listed is a 2005 cyclocross bike.
>
> https://vintagecannondale.com/year/2005/2005.pdf
> Refer to page 46
>
> Tom's bike has the identical color and decal scheme as the Cyclocross
> Optimo Disc model. The difference is that he (or someone) replaced the
> original straight leg fork with a more traditional curved fork, Probably
> one of those cheap chinese carbon Kinesis forks.
>
> He must feel awful to always be wrong and have me and Jeff always set
> the record straight.
>
> For the current vintage, you're correct,the Optimo is a road bike. As
> far as I can find, Cdale never made a gravel bike under the Optimo
> model. Remember though that Optimo is a tubing/material name, not a
> specific model. Cdale has offered Optimo frames under a variety of
> different models over the years.
>
>
>
> >
> > https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/race/caad-optimo/caad-optimo-1
> >
> > Still on rims at least now, older models did have cable operated brakes,
> > which those are Avid BB7 the red adjusters being big giveaway ie mechanical
> > no hydraulics even mechanical operated.
> >
> > Their Gravel bikes are the Topstone and always have been.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Add xx to reply
>

Now Flunky, the stupid ass wants to claim that my gravel bike was really a modified road bike, because as we all know, replacing a fork, which didn't happen, makes plenty of room in the rear stays for a 38 mm knobbie. I wonder if he ever thinks what he sounds like.

On 2/28/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> ... my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies that
thought that long resume's were negative ...

Yep. Or more precisely, not being able to hold a job for more than a
year or two is negative. A long, long list of rapid job changes is a
really bad sign.

> ... and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact, there was
a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I
worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable.

:-) That's funny!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed Feb 28 11:49:32 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/28/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > ... my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies that
> thought that long resume's were negative ...
>
> Yep. Or more precisely, not being able to hold a job for more than a
> year or two is negative. A long, long list of rapid job changes is a
> really bad sign.
>
> > ... and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact, there was
> a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I
> worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable.
>
> :-) That's funny!
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Holding one job forever is a really bad sign. It means you're not wanted by anyone and you have to hold on to what you have. You and Flunky are perfect examples and Liebermann deminstrates WHY.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:17:36 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Wed Feb 28 11:49:32 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/28/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > ... my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies that
>> thought that long resume's were negative ...
>>
>> Yep. Or more precisely, not being able to hold a job for more than a
>> year or two is negative. A long, long list of rapid job changes is a
>> really bad sign.
>>
>> > ... and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact, there was
>> a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I
>> worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable.
>>
>> :-) That's funny!
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>
>Holding one job forever is a really bad sign. It means you're not wanted by anyone and you have to hold on to what you have. You and Flunky are perfect examples and Liebermann deminstrates WHY.

It's called "rationalization"

I had a lot of jobs and I think I'm a wonderful person, thus having a
lot of jobs is wonderful!

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/28/2024 3:35 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:17:36 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed Feb 28 11:49:32 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 2/28/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> > ... my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies that
>>> thought that long resume's were negative ...
>>>
>>> Yep. Or more precisely, not being able to hold a job for more than a
>>> year or two is negative. A long, long list of rapid job changes is a
>>> really bad sign.
>>>
>>> > ... and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact, there was
>>> a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I
>>> worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable.
>>>
>>> :-) That's funny!
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>
>> Holding one job forever is a really bad sign. It means you're not wanted by anyone and you have to hold on to what you have. You and Flunky are perfect examples and Liebermann deminstrates WHY.
>
> It's called "rationalization"
>
> I had a lot of jobs and I think I'm a wonderful person, thus having a
> lot of jobs is wonderful!
>

Sometimes yes (I was grateful for the opportunities & needed
the extra cash) but sometimes no:

https://punchingbagpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/nojobsdasdf.jpg
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:17:36 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed Feb 28 11:49:32 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>> On 2/28/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>   > ... my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies
>>>> that
>>>> thought that long resume's were negative ...
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Or more precisely, not being able to hold a job for more than a
>>>> year or two is negative. A long, long list of rapid job changes is a
>>>> really bad sign.
>>>>
>>>>   > ... and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact,
>>>> there was
>>>> a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I
>>>> worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable.
>>>>
>>>> :-)  That's funny!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>
>>> Holding one job forever is a really bad sign.

Actually it isn't, and not nearly as bad as bouncing around every couple
of years.

>>>It means you're not
>>> wanted by anyone

Gee, that makes perfect sense, someone managing to keep a job for a
couple/few decades means they aren't wanted by anyone...

>>> and you have to hold on to what you have. You and
>>> Flunky are perfect examples

Well, considering I've worked for 7 different companies in nearly 40
years, it would seem I'm not a 'perfect example' at 'holding one job
forever'. Just past ten years at my present company, tied my record at
HP/Agilent!

On 2/28/2024 11:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/28/2024 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > ... my resume was cut off at the request of employment agencies that
> thought that long resume's were negative ...
>
> Yep. Or more precisely, not being able to hold a job for more than a
> year or two is negative. A long, long list of rapid job changes is a
> really bad sign.
>
> > ... and suggested that I had been fired from jobs. In fact, there was
> a company that followed me around and purchased all of the companies I
> worked for because the projects I worked on were valuable.
>
> :-)  That's funny!

Hilarious!

Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/27/2024 3:38 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had
>>>>> to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the
>>>>> Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those
>>>>> two always set the record.
>>>>
>>>> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
>>>> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
>>>> No need to thank me.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
>>>> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
>>>> on purpose to hide something.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
>>>> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
>>>> grievous mistake.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
>>> comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
>>> bike a few times but I never commented on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
>>> he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
>>> straight.
>>>
>>
>> Let alone that Cannondale Optimo is a road race bike. Typo one assumes.
>
> No, it's not a typo. Tom, as usual, is wrong, and on top of that he's
> lying about me commenting on it.
>
> I never wrote anything - one way or the other - about the Cdale Optimo
> until now.
>
> What he actually has listed is a 2005 cyclocross bike.

I do remember him talking about some Gravel bike that was a CX bike though
if it was this one?
>
> https://vintagecannondale.com/year/2005/2005.pdf
> Refer to page 46

Ooh good find and I note the BB7’s listed and shown in better detail.
>
> Tom's bike has the identical color and decal scheme as the Cyclocross
> Optimo Disc model. The difference is that he (or someone) replaced the
> original straight leg fork with a more traditional curved fork, Probably
> one of those cheap chinese carbon Kinesis forks.

It’s a woeful advert not surprising that he gets folks not buying or being
cautious.
>
> He must feel awful to always be wrong and have me and Jeff always set
> the record straight.
>
> For the current vintage, you're correct,the Optimo is a road bike. As
> far as I can find, Cdale never made a gravel bike under the Optimo
> model. Remember though that Optimo is a tubing/material name, not a
> specific model. Cdale has offered Optimo frames under a variety of
> different models over the years.
>
>
Ah I didn’t know that! Beyond the Leftie MTB fork never really been on my
radar.
>
>>
>> https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/race/caad-optimo/caad-optimo-1
>>
>> Still on rims at least now, older models did have cable operated brakes,
>> which those are Avid BB7 the red adjusters being big giveaway ie mechanical
>> no hydraulics even mechanical operated.
>>
>> Their Gravel bikes are the Topstone and always have been.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>>
>>
>
Roger Merriman

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue Feb 27 20:38:02 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/26/2024 4:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:42:15 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While I was renewing my Craigslist postings for the gravel bike, I had
>>>>> to laugh remembering when Liebermann and Flunky both said that the
>>>>> Optima was a road bike. It must feel awful to always be wrong and those
>>>>> two always set the record.
>>>>
>>>> Nice advertisement in RBT. You forgot to post the URL:
>>>> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/san-leandro-cannondale-optima-gravel/7721599119.html>
>>>> No need to thank me.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you (again) hiding the right side of the bicycle where the
>>>> drive train would be visible? It's almost as if you were doing that
>>>> on purpose to hide something.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I've never posted anything about your Cannondale Optima being a
>>>> gravel or road bicycle. I expect you to feel awful for making such a
>>>> grievous mistake.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> same here, Tom's penchant of disproving statements we never made is
>>> comical. I just did a search on the word 'optima'. He's mentioned the
>>> bike a few times but I never commented on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> IOW - just another typical lie from tommy. But, he's right on one thing,
>>> he must feel awful to always be wrong and have us always set the record
>>> straight.
>>>
>>
>> Let alone that Cannondale Optimo is a road race bike. Typo one assumes.
>>
>> https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/road/race/caad-optimo/caad-optimo-1
>>
>> Still on rims at least now, older models did have cable operated brakes,
>> which those are Avid BB7 the red adjusters being big giveaway ie mechanical
>> no hydraulics even mechanical operated.
>>
>> Their Gravel bikes are the Topstone and always have been.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>>
>>
> -
>
>
>
> I believe that the discs are enclosed mechanically actuated hydraulics.
> When you pull the brakes the disk does not move over to one side like a
> pure mechanical brake does. And they are a bit large for pure mechanical.
> And actualtion is smooth and very powerful. The mechanical discs I used
> before were none of those.

They are the original BB7 which are single pistons designs and clearly so
even with the low image quality.

Cable operated hydraulics there are very few made as they were even more of
stopgap technology than cable disks.
>
Snip rant
>

Roger Merriman