origin of life
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> origin of life
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

Science is a wonderful thing.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> origin of life
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>
>Science is a wonderful thing.

Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<6aa303a2-c14d-47bc-919e-eadf8ab1ac30n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> origin of life
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>
>Science is a wonderful thing.

Yes it is
interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?

On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:27:52 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<mhr7eh92dqp490c8j02a7bbofo8j7f3j2e@4ax.com>:

>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> origin of life
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>>
>>Science is a wonderful thing.
>
>Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

Yea and silicon is irrelevant to electronics in your reasoning
Idiot

On 29/07/2022 17:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
> <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc-919e-eadf8ab1ac30n@googlegroups.com>:
>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> origin of life
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>>
>> Science is a wonderful thing.
>
> Yes it is
> interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
> Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
> Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?

In a reducing atmosphere cyanide would be fairly long lived.

It is highly toxic to us because we belong in an oxygen rich atmosphere
and it is very reactive. These are however exactly the properties that
make it able to form amino acids under the right conditions.

A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.

https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 29/07/2022 15:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> origin of life
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>>
>> Science is a wonderful thing.
>
> Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

Life is *entirely* chemistry. It is just *very* complicated chemistry.

Science is a much better approach than consigning everything that is
presently unexplained to "Goddidit" as a "just so" explanation.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 7/29/2022 21:53, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 29/07/2022 15:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> origin of life
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>>>
>>> Science is a wonderful thing.
>>
>> Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.
>
> Life is *entirely* chemistry. It is just *very* complicated chemistry.
>
> Science is a much better approach than consigning everything that is
> presently unexplained to "Goddidit" as a "just so" explanation.
>
>

I'd be a bit more cautious with "entirely" as we don't understand
everything but OK, as far as we know it looks so.

However this - like any other - argument does not contradict the
"God did it" one; we cannot prove God did not design the universe
with its physical laws such that there would be complex chemistry
to turn into life....

Nor can we prove the opposite of course.

On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

>On 29/07/2022 17:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc-919e-eadf8ab1ac30n@googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> origin of life
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
>>>
>>> Science is a wonderful thing.
>>
>> Yes it is
>> interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
>> Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
>> Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?
>
>In a reducing atmosphere cyanide would be fairly long lived.
>
>It is highly toxic to us because we belong in an oxygen rich atmosphere
>and it is very reactive. These are however exactly the properties that
>make it able to form amino acids under the right conditions.
>
>A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
>clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.
>
>https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry

Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!

On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 06:25:10 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:
> >On 29/07/2022 17:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc...@googlegroups.com>:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>>> origin of life
> >>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm
> >>>
> >>> Science is a wonderful thing.
> >>
> >> Yes it is
> >> interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
> >> Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
> >> Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?
> >
> >In a reducing atmosphere cyanide would be fairly long lived.
> >
> >It is highly toxic to us because we belong in an oxygen rich atmosphere
> >and it is very reactive. These are however exactly the properties that
> >make it able to form amino acids under the right conditions.
> >
> >A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
> >clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.
> >
> >https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry
> Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!
Life - called Self-EGO is made by interactions
Bs of interactions with real world

On 30/07/2022 05:13, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1@gioia.aioe.org>:
>
>>
>> A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
>> clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.
>>
>> https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry
>
> Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!

The spectrum of interstellar dust (long believed to be mostly some sort
of carbon soot or basalt like mixture) was known long before fullerenes
were discovered. No terrestrial organic spectrum quite matched it.

https://cen.acs.org/articles/88/i30/Fullerenes-Found-Space.html

Carbon stars are impressively red (but mostly dim as well) so you need a
small telescope to see even the brightest ones. List here:

https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/carbon-stars-will-make-see-red1203201401/

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:20:45 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc3i8f$1nrb$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

>On 30/07/2022 05:13, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1@gioia.aioe.org>:
>>
>>>
>>> A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
>>> clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.
>>>
>>> https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry
>>
>> Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!
>
>The spectrum of interstellar dust (long believed to be mostly some sort
>of carbon soot or basalt like mixture) was known long before fullerenes
>were discovered. No terrestrial organic spectrum quite matched it.
>
>https://cen.acs.org/articles/88/i30/Fullerenes-Found-Space.html
>
>Carbon stars are impressively red (but mostly dim as well) so you need a
>small telescope to see even the brightest ones. List here:
>
>https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/carbon-stars-will-make-see-red1203201401/

Thanks
especially the second link gives / leads to a lot of info!
Did not now about that site.