High amplitude vibrations cause problems for the cameras' gyroscopes
https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668294/motorcycle-vibrations-damage-iphone-camera-apple

Long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain
frequency ranges degrades the performance of Apple iPhone optical image
stabilization (OIS).1 and Apple closed-loop autofocus (AF).2 which leads to
reduced image quality for photos and videos.

As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude vibrations.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:16:26 -0000 (UTC), NewsKrawler posted:-

> High amplitude vibrations cause problems for the cameras' gyroscopes
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668294/motorcycle-vibrations-damage-iphone-camera-apple
>
> Long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain
> frequency ranges degrades the performance of Apple iPhone optical
> image stabilization (OIS).1 and Apple closed-loop autofocus (AF).2
> which leads to reduced image quality for photos and videos.
>
> As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude
> vibrations.
>

Or better still, keep clear of Apple and their overpriced devices.

In article <iq6annF4k1aU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:

>
> Or better still, keep clear of Apple and their overpriced devices.

easily debunked myth.

apple devices are not overpriced. if they were, they would not sell
very many.

apple devices are competitively priced for similar specs and many times
cheaper than the alternatives.

On Sep 12, 2021, NewsKrawler wrote
(in article <shkr2p$32249$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> High amplitude vibrations cause problems for the cameras' gyroscopes
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668294/motorcycle-vibrations-damage-iphon
> e-camera-apple
>
> Long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain
> frequency ranges degrades the performance of Apple iPhone optical image
> stabilization (OIS).1 and Apple closed-loop autofocus (AF).2 which leads to
> reduced image quality for photos and videos.
>
> As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude vibrations.

Why would it be only Apple? And who do you blame - Apple, or Harley Davidson?

In article <0001HW.26EE5A510018B51D30708138F@news-us.newsgroup.ninja>,
Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

> > Long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain
> > frequency ranges degrades the performance of Apple iPhone optical image
> > stabilization (OIS).1 and Apple closed-loop autofocus (AF).2 which leads to
> > reduced image quality for photos and videos.
> >
> > As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude vibrations.
>
> Why would it be only Apple?

it isn't only apple, and it's not even a significant issue either.

> And who do you blame - Apple, or Harley Davidson?

journalists who write stupid linkbait articles and those who never read
past the headline.

On Sep 12, 2021, nospam wrote
(in article<120920211217509475%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

> In article<0001HW.26EE5A510018B51D30708138F@news-us.newsgroup.ninja>,
> Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > > Long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain
> > > frequency ranges degrades the performance of Apple iPhone optical image
> > > stabilization (OIS).1 and Apple closed-loop autofocus (AF).2 which leads to
> > > reduced image quality for photos and videos.
> > >
> > > As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude vibrations.
> >
> > Why would it be only Apple?
>
> it isn't only apple, and it's not even a significant issue either.
>
> > And who do you blame - Apple, or Harley Davidson?
>
> journalists who write stupid linkbait articles and those who never read
> past the headline.

And people who use rigid mounts for expensive electronics on bikes that shake
a lot.

On Monday, 13 September 2021 at 10:37:11 UTC-4, Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> asked
> >>> > As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude vibrations.
> >>>
> >>> Why would it be only Apple?
> >>
> >> it isn't only apple, and it's not even a significant issue either.
> >>
> >>> And who do you blame - Apple, or Harley Davidson?
> >>
> >> journalists who write stupid linkbait articles and those who never read
> >> past the headline.
> >
> > And people who use rigid mounts for expensive electronics on bikes that shake
> > a lot.
> 1. Why would it only be Apple?
> Just as in batteries, *Apple _chooses_ to use cheap iPhone components*.
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/10/iphone-camera-vibration-damage-motorcyles/>
>
> 2. Is it a significant issue?
> According to XDADevelopers, the expensive iPhone is _permanently_ borked.
> <https://www.xda-developers.com/apple-warns-motorcycle-engines-can-damage-iphone-cameras/>
>
> 3. Whom do you blame? Harley Davidson?
> Maybe, but then why haven't the apologists like Savageduck,
> Jolly Roger, nospam, Wade Garrett, et. al yet found any official
> statements from the other phone OEMs yet? Why only Apple?
>
> 4. Why is it the journalists' fault for reporting on an Apple Support Doc?
> It's not. *The apologists will always _blame_ anyone but Apple.*
> It's what apologists do to deflect poor iPhone quality evidence.
> (Check out the cheap batteries Apple _chose_ to put in the iPhone 12!)
> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
>
> For apologists, the most convenient one to blame is the messenger itself.
>
> And yet, in this case, the messenger _is_ Apple!
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212803>
>
> Notice Apple and apologists alike, blame everyone but Apple for all
> Apple's flaws (e.g., the battery chemistry is the _same_ in iPads!).
>
> 5. Should bikers use rigid mounts?
> Dampening mounts to protect against poor quality iPhones do exist.
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-just-issued-iphone-warning-this-could-wreck-your-camera>
>
> In summary, at the moment, it's just iPhones (to own an iPhone is to live in
> fear) but luckily many people who own iPhones have AppleCare (again, because
> to own an iPhone is to live in fear) which is replacing them under warranty.
>
> Given Apple always blames everyone else for their poor design choices, I'm
> sure the resident apologists are feverishly seeking official statements from
> other OEMs (probably even scouring Reddit for anecdotal evidence) so that
> they too can blame everyone but Apple for Apple's poor design choices.
> --
> Nobody in tech spends more in marketing and _less_ in R&D than does Apple.

I'd worry more about kidneys than iPhones.

On 2021-09-12 08:16, NewsKrawler wrote:
> High amplitude vibrations cause problems for the cameras' gyroscopes
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668294/motorcycle-vibrations-damage-iphone-camera-apple
>
> Long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain
> frequency ranges degrades the performance of Apple iPhone optical image
> stabilization (OIS).1 and Apple closed-loop autofocus (AF).2 which leads to
> reduced image quality for photos and videos.
>
> As a result you shouldn't expose your iPhone to high-amplitude vibrations.

Per the article this relates to hard mounting the iPhone, which would
transmit the vibrations directly. A bit of vibration damping would
solve it.

A mechanical engineer could work out an optimal damper for any
particular mount and mass of iPhone give the vibration characteristics.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

Segev Azulai <segev@nospam.net> asked
> Using an iPhone for nav when riding a cycle?
>
> Shoot, that's like taking a girl wearing an evening dress, diamonds, a
> tiara and long white gloves to the Pig 'n Pit Roadside Barbecue
> restaurant just off County Road #7 in rural south Georgia.

The problem here is clearly the iPhone is built like a piece of shit.
Apple cheaps out in _many_ ways, and they get cheaper every year.

Why can't you bring your iPhone along with you on your daily commute?

An example is the crappy battery technology in the iPhone 12.
Another example is the loss of fundamental components in the iPhone 12.

Unless the apologists can find any other smartphone OEM making these
statements like Apple did becuase of rampant failures in cameras,
we're going to have to agree that it's ONLY APPLE who has this problem.

We already know Apple is almost _never_ in the top ten of camera output.
The real question is why doesn't Apple design more robust cameras?

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> asked
> I'd worry more about kidneys than iPhones.

I ride a BMW K1200 which, save for the ridiculous default seating position
(which everyone changes), is a pretty smooth ride (the $1K Aerostich helps).
<https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/influence-of-engine-vibration-on-motorcycle-design/>

The apologists on this newsgroup such as Savageduck, nospam, Jolly Roger,
et. al, are at this very moment scouring the Internet to find any way to
blame the poor quality of the Apple iPhone cameras on someone else.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212803>

Apologists are desperate to deflect and blame (on bribes?) that the iPhone
camera sucks compared to the top cameras as tested independently by DXOMark.
<https://www.dxomark.com/rankings/#smartphones-mobile>

Apologists are desperate to deflect and blame (on Google?) the fact the
iPhone is horribly crippled in app functionality in so many ways that
*to own an iPhone is to own a crippled device*.
<https://www.technipages.com/android-can-iphone-cant>

And, apologists are desperate to deflect and blame (on anyone but Apple!)
<if the apologists could find someone to blame - they would have already>
--
Never forget Apple spends LESS in R&D than ANYONE in high tech
and more in Marketing. Legal penalties for Apple's lies were over a billion
dollars in 2020 alone, let alone their yearly cost defending their lies.
*Nobody lies like Apple lies*

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> asked
> Per the article this relates to hard mounting the iPhone, which would
> transmit the vibrations directly. A bit of vibration damping would
> solve it.
>
> A mechanical engineer could work out an optimal damper for any
> particular mount and mass of iPhone give the vibration characteristics.

Just Apple?

Why is it (so far anyway) just Apple whose cameras are permanently borked?
<https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/11/apple-warns-that-vibrations-by-motorcycles-might-impact-iphone-cameras/>

Why can't the apologists find (yet?) someone _else_ to blame for the poor
design choices Apple makes in designing & sourcing cheap camera components?
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/11/22668294/motorcycle-vibrations-damage-iphone-camera-apple>

And it's not just motorcycles... it's bicycles too... and scooters...
<https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/594197/Will+shaking+damage+the+image+stabilization>
<https://advrider.com/f/threads/iphone-11-pro-camera-failures-due-to-vibration.1432567/>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/60gf8v/vibration_killed_my_iphone_camera/>

Why only the iPhone?
Where are the apologists who _blame anyone but Apple_ for Apple's flaws?
--
Nobody spends LESS in R&D and MORE in MARKETING than does Apple.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:25:43 +0000, Robin Goodfellow posted:-

> The problem here is clearly the iPhone is built like a piece of shit.

Seen so many with smashed screens when dropped.

BTW OT an emergency iOS update out from Crapple.

Seems there is spyware out there which can infiltrate Crapple without
user knowing.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2021/09/13/apple-releases-ios-148-unprecedented-security-update-heralds-new-iphone-feature-update-now-warning-millions-iphone-users/

Whatever happened to those Crapple fan bois who used to say "Crapple
can't be hacked"?

<troll finished LOL>

In article <iq9rtcFpifuU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:

> Seen so many with smashed screens when dropped.

that can happen to any smartphone. the front is glass.

> Seems there is spyware out there which can infiltrate Crapple without
> user knowing.

as there is for android.

in fact, there is more malware for android than for any other operating
system, but why let facts get in the way of a very poor attempt at
trolling.

what's really crazy is the primary distribution method for android
malware is google's own play store:
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/play-store-identified-as-main-distributio
n-vector-for-most-android-malware/>
The official Google Play Store has been identified as the primary
source of malware installs on Android devices in a recent academic
study ‹ considered the largest one of its kind carried out to date.

unfortunately, a significant number of android devices will never be
patched.

> Whatever happened to those Crapple fan bois who used to say "Crapple
> can't be hacked"?

straw man.

what they actually said was that it's vastly more difficult to hack mac
and ios, for several reasons.

it's not impossible, because nothing is 100% secure.

> <troll finished LOL>

not a very good one.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:45:30 +0000, Robin Goodfellow posted:-

> Nobody spends LESS in R&D and MORE in MARKETING than does Apple.

LOL brave words, you will get "nospam" the troll giving you a serve for
that.

In article <iqa44kFr0llU3@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:45:30 +0000, Robin Goodfellow posted:-
> > Nobody spends LESS in R&D and MORE in MARKETING than does Apple.
>
>
> LOL brave words, you will get "nospam" the troll giving you a serve for
> that.

he's posted that drivel before. both of you failed grade school math.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 19:20:03 -0400, nospam posted:-

> In article <iqa44kFr0llU3@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
> <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:45:30 +0000, Robin Goodfellow posted:-
> > > Nobody spends LESS in R&D and MORE in MARKETING than does Apple.
> >
> >
> > LOL brave words, you will get "nospam" the troll giving you a serve
> > for that.
>
> he's posted that drivel before. both of you failed grade school math.

Many have been blinded by Crapple marketing, you obviously are one of
them.

In article <iqa6jkFrgvuU2@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:

> Many have been blinded by Crapple marketing, you obviously are one of
> them.

many make baseless assumptions and have no clue about apple (or the
industry itself), leaving insults as their only response.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>>> Nobody spends LESS in R&D and MORE in MARKETING than does Apple.
>>
>> LOL brave words, you will get "nospam" the troll giving you a serve for
>> that.
>
> he's posted that drivel before. both of you failed grade school math.

It's well known, for decades, Apple is all MARKETING and almost no R&D.
However, apologists from Savageduck to nospam, all _hate_ facts about Apple.

Why?
I don't know why.

But the fact they always deny facts about Apple implies they hate Apple.
(Apple lied to them because they _believed_ only the advertising bullshit.)

FACTS:
*Apple Is Spending Dramatically Below Peers on Innovation*
<https://www.barrons.com/articles/apple-innovation-research-development-acquisitions-cash-flow-buybacks-51597786424>

*Apple R&D spending is anemic compared to rivals' big budgets*
<https://www.cultofmac.com/720505/apple-rd-spending-2020-compared-to-google-microsoft/>

*Apple spends less on research & development than they advertise*
<https://www.ibtimes.com/why-apple-inc-spends-less-research-development-you-think-1954667>

Want more?
The facts are always _easy_ to prove.

Apologists _hate_ facts about Apple.
As with cultists, facts destroy the apologists' imaginary belief systems.
--
Nobody spends LESS in R&D and MORE in MARKETING in high tech than Apple.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> many make baseless assumptions and have no clue about apple (or the
> industry itself), leaving insults as their only response.

What is telling is how brazenly nospam denies facts which are easy to prove.
/Why do _all_ the Apple apologists _hate_ facts about Apple?/

I don't know why.

It seems they _hate_ what Apple is (preferring to believe the ads instead).

GRAPHS:
*Apple R&D spend % versus five "similar" tech companies*
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/22343-26888-comparisonpercentagerdofrev2relabel-l.jpg>
*Five "similar" tech companies' revenue & R&D costs compared for one year*
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/22343-26885-07-comparisonrevrdcostsrelabel-l.jpg>
*Apple R&D % change over the years*
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/22343-26884-06-yoychangeinrdannualcosts-l.jpg>
*Apple net income versus operating income & R&D costs over the years*
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/22343-26881-01-annualnetincomeopincomerdc-l.jpg>
*Apple annual net sales, operating income, & R&D costs over the years*
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/22343-26882-02-annualnetsalesopincrdcosts-l.jpg>

CITES:
*Apple's R&D spending hits bottom as percentage of revenue*
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-r-d-spending-hits-bottom-as-percentage-of-revenue/>
*Apple is a cheapskate when it comes to R&D*
<https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/02/26/apple-cheapskate-when-comes-rd/80987938/>
*Analysts Criticize Apple Over Low R&D Spend*
<https://www.pymnts.com/apple/2018/apple-spend-more-rd/>
*Apple's R&D spending hits a low*
<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/apples-randd-spending-hits-a-low-2011-10/>
*Is Apple Underinvesting in R&D?*
<https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/12/is-apple-underinvesting-in-rd-what-steve-jobs-woul.aspx>
*Apple spends way less than Microsoft on R&D*
<https://money.cnn.com/2013/11/20/technology/mobile/apple-rd-spend/index.html
*Why Apple Inc. Spends Less On Research And Development Than You Think*
<https://www.ibtimes.com/why-apple-inc-spends-less-research-development-you-think-1954667>
*Apple Research and Development Expenses by Year*
<https://dazeinfo.com/2019/09/27/apple-research-and-development-expenses-by-year-graphfarm/>
*Top Ten R&D spenders*
<https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/521302-2018-02/>
*Apple, Inc. R&D: Too Little?*
<https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/12/01/apple-inc-rd-too-little-or-just-right.aspx>
*Qualcomm Should Be Scared of These 2 Words That Apple Just Uttered*
<https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/05/05/qualcomm-should-be-scared-of-these-2-words-that-ap.aspx>
*Apple R&D spending is "efficient" versus its competitors*
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/08/09/though-apples-rd-spending-is-massive-its-still-more-efficient-than-all-other-competitors>
etc.
--
Nobody in high tech spends LESS than Apple in R&D nor more in Marketing!

Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> asked
> Many have been blinded by Crapple marketing, you obviously are one of
> them.

The apologists have no adult defense to facts so they brazenly deny them.
This nospam _hates_ what Apple is (he wants to believe it's not what it is).

Why else does nospam deny facts that _everyone_ already knows are correct?

The fact is:
*Nobody in high tech spends _less_ in R&D percentage than does Apple.*

Facts are always easy to prove...
Apple even spends less in actual dollars than _many_ others in tech!)

*Apple spends way less than Microsoft on R&D*
<https://money.cnn.com/2013/11/20/technology/mobile/apple-rd-spend/>
--
Did you ever wonder why Apple can't even break into the top ten on camera
quality of results in the DXOMark independent comprehensive testing?

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> in fact, there is more malware for android than for any other operating
> system, but why let facts get in the way of a very poor attempt at
> trolling.

*Everyone but nospam is aware that Android is far more secure than iOS.*
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/03/16/iphone-12-pro-max-and-iphone-13-not-more-secure-than-google-and-samsung-android-warns-cyber-billionaire/>

How is iOS more secure when iOS doesn't even allow the real Tor browser?
How is iOS more secure when iOS doesn't even allow GPS spoofing defaults?
How is iOS more secure when you _must_ have a login to the mother ship?
How is iOS more secure when hackers stopped accepting zero-day bugs?
How is iOS more secure when you can't add a FOSS firewall to block access?
How is iOS more secure when _every_ app has your AppleID inside of it?
How is iOS more secure when you're required to use WebKit (which is a POS)?
(this list of well-known iOS insecurities can go on virtually forever)

The most damning evidence (there are _many_ references proving this!),
is that Apple has _never_ even once sufficiently tested iOS (never!)
"Large portions of iOS code were not touched for years"
<https://onezero.medium.com/is-android-getting-safer-than-ios-4a2ca6f359d3>

The fact that iOS is inherently less secure than Android is known to all but
these apologists like nospam who only know what Apple feeds him to believe.

Did you ever notice how vastly many unexpected security holes force Apple to
suddenly update iOS when Apple just released it that very same day!

The iOS release clusterfuck is the most sordid set of bugs you've ever seen.
Did you ever notice Apple _never_ is the one who _found_ the huge holes?

The only place iOS is more secure than Android is in Apple advertisements.
--
Nobody in tech spends LESS in R&D and more in MARKETING than does Apple.

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 06:45:54 +0000, Robin Goodfellow posted:-

> *Apple spends way less than Microsoft on R&D*
> <https://money.cnn.com/2013/11/20/technology/mobile/apple-rd-spend/>

That say heaps, because Billy Bob Gates stuff is full of bugs.

Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> asked
>> *Apple spends way less than Microsoft on R&D*
>> <https://money.cnn.com/2013/11/20/technology/mobile/apple-rd-spend/>
>
> That say heaps, because Billy Bob Gates stuff is full of bugs.

The fact is easily proven because it is a fact (despite nospam's denials).
*Nobody in high tech spends LESS than Apple does in Research & Development.*

The point, related to cameras, is that the iPhone camera is poorly designed.
And it uses cheap parts (we'll ignore Apple's cheap batteries & boards).

Just as it was _only_ certain iPhones that had to be killed secretly by
Apple (in Apple's words, "we killed them to save them") it's the same here.

It's _only_ Apple who has to put out a statement saying their cheap camera
components don't hold up to extremely common typical vehicular vibrations.
--
Nobody in high tech spends LESS than Apple does in Research & Development.