On 4/25/2024 10:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wed Apr 24 23:26:44 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> Wow! Have you really lost the ability to search a few posts back in a
>> thread?
>>
>> Since you seem to have trouble with that, here's a copy of what I
>> originally said:
>>
>> ----------------------------
>>
>> Tom, you've frequently talked about misplaced parts, tools, etc. Here's
>> a serious tip.
>>
>> You have cats, right? Buy the cat litter that comes in big cardboard boxes.
>>
>> When empty, cut the box down so it fits on a shelf. Label the box
>> "Shifters." Label the next box "Derailleurs." Label a third box
>> "Brakes." Label a fourth box "Pedals." Do as many boxes as necessary.
>>
>> Develop the habit of putting the components into the proper box, and
>> nowhere else. If necessary, label their details with tape.
>>
>> Use the same philosophy for workshop tools. A place for everything, and
>> everything in its place.
>>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> If you want to use plastic bins, divided drawers or whatever, do so.
>> When we had a cat, we went through boxes of litter. I decided to put
>> those boxes to use.
>>
>> But using _any_ marked containers will give better results than whatever
>> you're doing now - which seems to be tossing bike components into random
>> locations.
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>
>
>
>
> Since you obviously don't have cats...

Correct. Not any more.

> , you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags, There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.

:-) Ah, Tom! You're down another rabbit hole, trying to save face.

https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter These are the kind of boxes
I've used, because they seemed an appropriate size, and if I didn't use
them I'd just be recycling them.

Let's return to the actual point: You frequently whine about losing or
misplacing bike parts and tools. Your shop organization is obviously
crappy. I gave you tips on how to improve.

Obviously, you're perfectly free to keep tossing your bike components
and tools into random places, then to complain about not finding things.
It confirms our impression of you, and occasionally gives us something
more to chuckle about.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags,

Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
<https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>

>There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.

Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
For example:
<https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>

I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
"Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
<https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
"Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
<https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
claim, nobody buys.

>So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?

You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.

>I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the problem.

What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags,
>
> Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
> in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
>
> >There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.
>
> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
> For example:
> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
>
> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
> claim, nobody buys.
>
> >So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
>
> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
> dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.
>
> >I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the problem.
>
> What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
> not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
> etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

I wonder at which point you will learn the English language. Clumping liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.

It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.

Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to show it off?

On 4/25/2024 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags,
>>
>> Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
>> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
>> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
>> in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
>>
>>> There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.
>>
>> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
>> For example:
>> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
>>
>> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
>> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
>> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
>> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
>> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
>> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
>> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
>> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
>> claim, nobody buys.
>>
>>> So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
>>
>> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
>> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
>> dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.
>>
>>> I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the problem.
>>
>> What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
>> not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
>> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
>> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
>> etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
>> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>
>
>
> I wonder at which point you will learn the English language. Clumping liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.
>
> It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.
>
> Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to show it off?

Diatomaceous earth is not even remotely related to soil.

It's a sedimentary residue of diatom shells:
https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/082319_CG_diatom_feat.jpg

Which you may know better as toothpaste.

Without regard to kitty litter, the intent was a few similar
boxes and any box would do. A lot of boxes the same
dimension would look nice. That's all.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/23/2024 3:11 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/22/2024 10:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/22/2024 2:05 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I had forgotten that I had this set of levers but I have a set of
>>> like new 7800 levers that I got from the Ukraine and put them
>>> someplace so safe that I can't remember where that is.
>>
>> Tom, you've frequently talked about misplaced parts, tools, etc.
>> Here's a serious tip.
>>
>> You have cats, right? Buy the cat litter that comes in big cardboard
>> boxes.
>>
>> When empty, cut the box down so it fits on a shelf. Label the box
>> "Shifters."  Label the next box "Derailleurs." Label a third box
>> "Brakes." Label a fourth box "Pedals." Do as many boxes as necessary.
>>
>> Develop the habit of putting the components into the proper box, and
>> nowhere else. If necessary, label their details with tape.
>>
>> Use the same philosophy for workshop tools. A place for everything,
>> and everything in its place.
>>
>
> I set my workshop up by visiting here:
>
> https://www.containerstore.com/stores/nh/salem/10-south-village-dr
>
> Clear bins, variety of sizes, stackable if desired.
>
> https://www.containerstore.com/s/storage/plastic-bins-baskets/our-clear-storage-boxes/12d?productId=11004743
>
> Benefits of the clear bin is that you don't need to rummage as much, and
> little parts don't get stuck under cardboard seams.
>
> But your advice is sound for someone like tommy on a SSI budget who
> couldn't likely afford $100 in containers.

I was cat-sitting at my house for two weeks earlier this month. It went
on longer than planned and I bought cat litter at Walmart in a 35 pound
plastic bucket. The cat litter in the bags was cheaper but it was not
"clumping." There were no boxes of cat litter at Walmart.

Now I will make a shopping pannier out of the plastic bucket.

Back when I had cats the cat litter came only in bags, IIRC.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 22:15:58 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags,
>>
>> Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
>> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
>> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
>> in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
>>
>> >There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.
>>
>> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
>> For example:
>> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
>>
>> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
>> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
>> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
>> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
>> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
>> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
>> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
>> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
>> claim, nobody buys.
>>
>> >So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
>>
>> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
>> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
>> dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.
>>
>> >I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the problem.
>>
>> What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
>> not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
>> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
>> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
>> etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
>> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
>>

>[Insult deleted] Clumping liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.

Frank didn't suggest burying your bicycle parts in cat litter. He
suggested putting your cat litter boxes to better use for storing
parts rather than throwing in the trash. (Locally, the recyclers do
not accept chip board boxes but do accept cardboard boxes).

>It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.

I don't repair inkjet printers. All (and I do mean all) of the
consumer grade inkjet printers are junk. All I do these days is laser
printers.

>Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to show it off?

My failures are not broken. I fix them. You create your own failures
and then sell them on eBay and Craigslist.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:31:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Diatomaceous earth is not even remotely related to soil.
>
>It's a sedimentary residue of diatom shells:
>https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/082319_CG_diatom_feat.jpg
>
>Which you may know better as toothpaste.

There are also alternative ingredients.

"Kitty Litter"
<https://cen.acs.org/articles/82/i17/KITTY-LITTER.html>
"Clay, silica, and plant-derived alternatives compete to keep your
cat's box clean"
"Today, roughly 60% of the cat litter sold in the U.S. is of the
clumping variety, and most of it is made from bentonite clay."

>Without regard to kitty litter, the intent was a few similar
>boxes and any box would do. A lot of boxes the same
>dimension would look nice. That's all.

Yep. Here's a photo of my inventory of empty boxes waiting for me to
fill them with junk:
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/M6perQnKJXuwV7BQ9>
There is also an equal number of identical boxes on racks and shelves
elsewhere in the house. However, my standard box is the traditional
"Bankers Box". Associated with all my boxes are digital photos of
what's inside, which makes finding things MUCH easier. They also
stack much easier than random size boxes. For a time, I would print
large font size labels and glue them on the ends of the boxes so I
could read the label at a distance. I borrowed that from MythBusters:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=m5+mythbusters+boxes&tbm=isch>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 23:26:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>When empty, cut the box down so it fits on a shelf.

That reminds me of a gadget I previously used when I shipping things
from my former office.

I have one of these devices that I use to reduce the size of boxes:
<https://www.uline.com/BL_3401/Carton-Sizer>
<https://www.uline.com/PDF/IH-101-SPFR.PDF>
Instead of searching for the correct size box, or trying to cut a
straight line from inside a box with my pocket Tanto knife, I just use
the tool to build a proper size box out of a larger box.

There are others available:
<https://www.associatedbag.com/ShowProduct.aspx?ProductID=12928&AC=1>
<https://www.amazon.com/Carton-Sizer-Box-Tool-Cardboard/dp/B09PQF41YC>
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vestil-Box-Size-Cutter-SIZER-4/303099819>
More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=carton+sizer&tbm=isch>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/25/2024 6:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter
>>>> comes in bags,
>>>
>>> Sigh.   Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
>>> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets.  Some products
>>> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
>>> in boxes.  The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
>>>
>>>> There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people
>>>> usually don't use that type.
>>>
>>> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
>>> For example:
>>> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
>>>
>>> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
>>> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
>>> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
>>> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
>>> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
>>> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
>>> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
>>> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
>>> claim, nobody buys.
>>>
>>>> So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat
>>>> litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine
>>>> powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or
>>>> perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
>>>
>>> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
>>> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
>>> dust out of the litter boxes.  If not, you should consider buying one.
>>>
>>>> I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some
>>>> manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> What problem?  The problem where you are unable to find things?  I'm
>>> not surprised that this is a problem for you.  Your garage should be
>>> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
>>> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
>>> etc.  I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
>>> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff Liebermann                 jeffl@cruzio.com
>>> PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>>> Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder at which point you will learn the English language. Clumping
>> liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone
>> that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand
>> believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.
>>
>> It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools
>> to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.
>>
>> Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to
>> show it off?
>
> Diatomaceous earth is not even remotely related to soil.
>
> It's a sedimentary residue of diatom shells:
> https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/082319_CG_diatom_feat.jpg
>
> Which you may know better as toothpaste.
>
> Without regard to kitty litter, the intent was a few similar boxes and
> any box would do. A lot of boxes the same dimension would look nice.
> That's all.

If it wasn't already obvious, let me state the obvious:

tommy can't be helped.

The simple suggestion that he might be able to keep better track of
things if he had some sort of organization system results in him
attempting to insult people - yet only revealing his willful ignorance.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> On 4/24/2024 5:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> I don’t think the bearing or frankly bushings have ever failed on
>> any of
>> the jockey wheels I’ve seen but been worn out, ie the cogs have been worn.
>
> I've had a jockey wheel begin squealing after a particularly muddy
> tour. That's not a permanent failure, of course.

Having had a jockey wheel ball bearing seize up, fortunately close to
home, I now prefer bushings.

--

On Fri Apr 26 09:31:47 2024 Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
> > On 4/24/2024 5:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> I don?t think the bearing or frankly bushings have ever failed on
> >> any of
> >> the jockey wheels I?ve seen but been worn out, ie the cogs have been worn.
> >
> > I've had a jockey wheel begin squealing after a particularly muddy
> > tour. That's not a permanent failure, of course.
>
> Having had a jockey wheel ball bearing seize up, fortunately close to
> home, I now prefer bushings.
>
> --

I haven't had that experience but hey, storing parts in a container that held diatomonous earth doesn't sound like a way to avoid it. And by the way, though you're correct that bearings are more sensitive to dust, bushings have the same problem. Dust and grease make a very strong mud.

On Thu Apr 25 23:24:58 2024 zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 6:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/25/2024 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter
> >>>> comes in bags,
> >>>
> >>> Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
> >>> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
> >>> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
> >>> in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
> >>>
> >>>> There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people
> >>>> usually don't use that type.
> >>>
> >>> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
> >>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
> >>> For example:
> >>> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
> >>>
> >>> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
> >>> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
> >>> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
> >>> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
> >>> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
> >>> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
> >>> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
> >>> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
> >>> claim, nobody buys.
> >>>
> >>>> So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat
> >>>> litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine
> >>>> powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or
> >>>> perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
> >>>
> >>> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
> >>> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
> >>> dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.
> >>>
> >>>> I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some
> >>>> manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the
> >>>> problem.
> >>>
> >>> What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
> >>> not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
> >>> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
> >>> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
> >>> etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
> >>> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> >>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> >>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> >>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wonder at which point you will learn the English language. Clumping
> >> liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone
> >> that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand
> >> believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.
> >>
> >> It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools
> >> to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.
> >>
> >> Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to
> >> show it off?
> >
> > Diatomaceous earth is not even remotely related to soil.
> >
> > It's a sedimentary residue of diatom shells:
> > https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/082319_CG_diatom_feat.jpg
> >
> > Which you may know better as toothpaste.
> >
> > Without regard to kitty litter, the intent was a few similar boxes and
> > any box would do. A lot of boxes the same dimension would look nice.
> > That's all.
>
> If it wasn't already obvious, let me state the obvious:
>
> tommy can't be helped.
>
> The simple suggestion that he might be able to keep better track of
> things if he had some sort of organization system results in him
> attempting to insult people - yet only revealing his willful ignorance.

Only Liebermann brushes his teeth with dirt instead of baking soda like the rest of us. And only Flunky likes the idea.

On Thu Apr 25 17:31:58 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags,
> >>
> >> Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
> >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
> >> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
> >> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
> >> in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
> >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
> >>
> >>> There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.
> >>
> >> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
> >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
> >> For example:
> >> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
> >>
> >> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
> >> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
> >> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
> >> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
> >> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
> >> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
> >> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
> >> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
> >> claim, nobody buys.
> >>
> >>> So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
> >>
> >> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
> >> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
> >> dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.
> >>
> >>> I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the problem.
> >>
> >> What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
> >> not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
> >> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
> >> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
> >> etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
> >> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder at which point you will learn the English language. Clumping liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.
> >
> > It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.
> >
> > Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to show it off?
>
> Diatomaceous earth is not even remotely related to soil.
>
> It's a sedimentary residue of diatom shells:
> https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/082319_CG_diatom_feat.jpg
>
> Which you may know better as toothpaste.
>
> Without regard to kitty litter, the intent was a few similar
> boxes and any box would do. A lot of boxes the same
> dimension would look nice. That's all.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Andrew. below 30 inches of the top soil is "dirt" which is made up of the same sort of materials as diatomaceous earth The hard outer shells of microscopic organisms that can degrade to "soil" in the bacterial rich and O2 rich upper 24" or so of soil, They use specifically diatomaceous earth in many things - clumping cat litter is simply one use since it absorbs many times its weight in liquid. It is also in material that you throw on spills and it is even used to add to cattle feed and other animal feeds since it is alkaline and settles the acidic stomachs of animals. (which is also why cats with upset stomachs also eat grass) I've never used toothpastw containing diatomaceus earth and can't imagine usintg is. But people have been using baking soda forever. It is meant as a polishing agent and it tends to sloow decay which is an acidic action since it is an alkaline material,

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:35:26 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Only Liebermann brushes his teeth with dirt instead of baking soda like the rest of us. And only Flunky likes the idea.

Wrong, as usual. I use Rising (Prevident) Denta 5000 Plus tooth
paste. 1.1% Sodium Fluoride. About $12 to $18. Dentists
prescription required.

Three years ago, my dentist found a soft spot on one of my teeth. He
prescribed fluoride tooth paste, which solved the problem in a few
months.

In terms of abrasiveness, baking soda is RDA (Relative Dentin
Abrasion) = 7, which is a "low" abrasive. Good choice. Denta 5000
Plus shows an RDA = 80, which is more abrasive, and is considered a
"mild" abrasive:
<https://hygienewize.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Abrasive-Value-.pdf>
I use it 3 or 4 times per week. I would prefer something less
abrasion. In between, I brush with just water and floss erratically.

If you value your teeth, you should consider what your alcoholic
beverages can do to your teeth:
"Alcohol and Oral Health: What You Need To Know"
<https://penndentalmedicine.org/blog/is-alcohol-bad-for-your-teeth/>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/26/2024 1:41 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:35:26 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Only Liebermann brushes his teeth with dirt instead of baking soda like the rest of us

"the rest of us"?

Maybe that's why tommy just bragged about paying a months salary for
dental work.

> And only Flunky likes the idea.

You really have no idea what I do or don't like, except that you know I
don't like you.

>
> Wrong, as usual. I use Rising (Prevident) Denta 5000 Plus tooth
> paste. 1.1% Sodium Fluoride. About $12 to $18. Dentists
> prescription required.
>
> Three years ago, my dentist found a soft spot on one of my teeth. He
> prescribed fluoride tooth paste, which solved the problem in a few
> months.
>
> In terms of abrasiveness, baking soda is RDA (Relative Dentin
> Abrasion) = 7, which is a "low" abrasive. Good choice. Denta 5000
> Plus shows an RDA = 80, which is more abrasive, and is considered a
> "mild" abrasive:
> <https://hygienewize.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Abrasive-Value-.pdf>
> I use it 3 or 4 times per week. I would prefer something less
> abrasion. In between, I brush with just water and floss erratically.
>
> If you value your teeth, you should consider what your alcoholic
> beverages can do to your teeth:
> "Alcohol and Oral Health: What You Need To Know"
> <https://penndentalmedicine.org/blog/is-alcohol-bad-for-your-teeth/>

OK, _that's_ why tommy just bragged about paying a months salary for
dental work.

>

On Sat Apr 27 07:51:04 2024 zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/26/2024 1:41 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:35:26 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Only Liebermann brushes his teeth with dirt instead of baking soda like the rest of us
>
> "the rest of us"?
>
> Maybe that's why tommy just bragged about paying a months salary for
> dental work.
>
>
> > And only Flunky likes the idea.
>
> You really have no idea what I do or don't like, except that you know I
> don't like you.
>
> >
> > Wrong, as usual. I use Rising (Prevident) Denta 5000 Plus tooth
> > paste. 1.1% Sodium Fluoride. About $12 to $18. Dentists
> > prescription required.
> >
> > Three years ago, my dentist found a soft spot on one of my teeth. He
> > prescribed fluoride tooth paste, which solved the problem in a few
> > months.
> >
> > In terms of abrasiveness, baking soda is RDA (Relative Dentin
> > Abrasion) = 7, which is a "low" abrasive. Good choice. Denta 5000
> > Plus shows an RDA = 80, which is more abrasive, and is considered a
> > "mild" abrasive:
> > <https://hygienewize.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Abrasive-Value-.pdf>
> > I use it 3 or 4 times per week. I would prefer something less
> > abrasion. In between, I brush with just water and floss erratically.
> >
> > If you value your teeth, you should consider what your alcoholic
> > beverages can do to your teeth:
> > "Alcohol and Oral Health: What You Need To Know"
> > <https://penndentalmedicine.org/blog/is-alcohol-bad-for-your-teeth/>
>
> OK, _that's_ why tommy just bragged about paying a months salary for
> dental work.
>
> >
>

The usual foolishness of a jackass. I have had bad teeth from birth and had to have dental work on my baby teeth. Not all of us are lucky enough to have good teeth.

My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.

By the way, I wasn't bragging about my dental work costing a months pay, I was bragging that the $10,000 dental bill was half of the income from one month of my investments. I am going out to dinner almost every night these days. And I am making more money than I spend. See what happens when you are careful with your money?

It's time for Krygowski to order me to live someplace else.

On Fri Apr 26 15:56:13 2024 Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thu Apr 25 17:31:58 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/25/2024 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Thu Apr 25 13:14:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:52:17 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Since you obviously don't have cats, you seem unaware that cat liter comes in bags,
> > >>
> > >> Sigh. Searching for "cat litter in boxes":
> > >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes&tbm=isch>
> > >> Seems to be a few that arrive in boxes and buckets. Some products
> > >> from Arm and Hammer, Step Fresh, Purina, and Scoop Away are available
> > >> in boxes. The same manufacturers also have it available in bags:
> > >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+bags&tbm=isch>
> > >>
> > >>> There is one type of clumping liter that comes in boxes but people usually don't use that type.
> > >>
> > >> Looks like clumping cat litter is also sold in boxes:
> > >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat+litter+in+boxes+clumping&tbm=isch>
> > >> For example:
> > >> <https://www.walmart.com/ip/Special-Kitty-Odor-Control-Tight-Clumping-Cat-Litter-Fresh-Scent-40-lb/50003619>
> > >>
> > >> I guess those who buy non-clumping litter haven't read the reviews:
> > >> "Should I choose clumping litter or non-clumping litter?"
> > >> <https://www.tippaws.com/blogs/news/should-i-choose-clumping-litter-or-non-clumping-litter>
> > >> "Clumping cat litter is far superior for absorbing moisture. In fact,
> > >> non-clumping cat litter hardly absorbs it at all."
> > >> Notice that everything offered by Arm and Hammer is clumping:
> > >> <https://www.armandhammer.com/en/cat-litter>
> > >> I doubt they would produce a line of cat litter products which, as you
> > >> claim, nobody buys.
> > >>
> > >>> So tell me again about putting my parts in the "boxes" that cat litter comes in. And tell me perhaps about the effect of the fine powder remaining in the box if you use the clumping litter? Or perhaps you believe that you can wash the cardboard boxes out?
> > >>
> > >> You have a bicycle workshop, which I assume includes an air compress.
> > >> If you have one, you might try using the compressed air to blow the
> > >> dust out of the litter boxes. If not, you should consider buying one.
> > >>
> > >>> I find it amazing that you can pretend to think that you're in some manner practical when you cannot for one second even think about the problem.
> > >>
> > >> What problem? The problem where you are unable to find things? I'm
> > >> not surprised that this is a problem for you. Your garage should be
> > >> quite crowded with a Taurus X car, 13 assembled bicycles, an unknown
> > >> number of frames and forks, workshop, workbench, tools, small parts
> > >> etc. I recall previously reviewing the floor space calculations with
> > >> you in RBT, but I'm too lazy to try and find them.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> > >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder at which point you will learn the English language. Clumping liter is made out of diatomateous earth. You know - DIRT. Only someone that doesn't ride bicycles and has never held a wrench in his hand believes that bicycle parts should be stored in dirt.
> > >
> > > It is a good thing that inkjet printer cartridges don't require tools to replace or you would have been a failure at that as well.
> > >
> > > Seriously, with an unbroken record of failure, why do you continue to show it off?
> >
> > Diatomaceous earth is not even remotely related to soil.
> >
> > It's a sedimentary residue of diatom shells:
> > https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/082319_CG_diatom_feat.jpg
> >
> > Which you may know better as toothpaste.
> >
> > Without regard to kitty litter, the intent was a few similar
> > boxes and any box would do. A lot of boxes the same
> > dimension would look nice. That's all.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > am@yellowjersey.org
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
>
>
>
> Andrew. below 30 inches of the top soil is "dirt" which is made up of the same sort of materials as diatomaceous earth The hard outer shells of microscopic organisms that can degrade to "soil" in the bacterial rich and O2 rich upper 24" or so of soil, They use specifically diatomaceous earth in many things - clumping cat litter is simply one use since it absorbs many times its weight in liquid. It is also in material that you throw on spills and it is even used to add to cattle feed and other animal feeds since it is alkaline and settles the acidic stomachs of animals. (which is also why cats with upset stomachs also eat grass) I've never used toothpastw containing diatomaceus earth and can't imagine usintg is. But people have been using baking soda forever. It is meant as a polishing agent and it tends to sloow decay which is an acidic action since it is an alkaline material,

To be more accurate, diatomacious earth is specifically the remains of marine shell organisms. Below 40 inches od top soil are the same sorts of bacteriological reduction of plants, roots and other organisms. While not identical it is pretty much the same thing. In many places like deserts these often were at the bottom of seas caused by continental drift.

On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.

Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
<https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
<https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
was only:
92 - 85 = 7 years old
when your older brother was born.

Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.

I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
or sister.

You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
which claims that she was:
"Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
John Kunich died in 1987:
<https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/1/2024 9:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.
>
> Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
> <https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
> show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
> years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
> 87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
> was only:
> 92 - 85 = 7 years old
> when your older brother was born.
>
> Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
> 85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.
>
> I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
> tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
> brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
> or sister.
>
> You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
> which claims that she was:
> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
> John Kunich died in 1987:
> <https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>
>
>

further to that point, tom is 80? that would have made his mother 12
when she had him?

On Thu, 2 May 2024 05:37:53 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/1/2024 9:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.
>>
>> Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
>> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
>> <https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
>> show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
>> years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
>> 87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
>> was only:
>> 92 - 85 = 7 years old
>> when your older brother was born.
>>
>> Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
>> 85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.
>>
>> I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
>> tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
>> brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
>> or sister.
>>
>> You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
>> which claims that she was:
>> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
>> John Kunich died in 1987:
>> <https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>

>further to that point, tom is 80? that would have made his mother 12
>when she had him?

Close. Tom claims he was born in Oct, 1944. That makes him 79.5
years old.

I don't know what to think about the mess I've uncovered. There are
some obvious mistakes and discrepancies. To deal with such things, I
typically use Occam's Razor, which applied here means that the fewest
number of changes that make the dates and names work, is probably
correct. Unfortunately, that works best when there's only one error.
In this mess, it appears to me that EVERYTHING is wrong. The only
numbers I can trust are those provided by official documents and
databases. The dates in both obituaries were presumably provided by
family members, so those cannot be considered authoritative. Using
probability that a number is correct isn't going to work when almost
all the dates and numbers are likely to be wrong. I'm not even sure
if there are one or two Tom's:

06/22/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/bycPOPjsB8Y/m/nvoxM67OBAAJ>
"...there is a man with the SAME NAME and SAME AGE as me. I stated
that I received his mail when he lived in San Leandro and personally
took it to his proper address..."

In order to make some sense of this, I would need to change almost
every event, date and number. As threatened, I started building a
time line. That's when I found the problem with Tom's alleged older
brother's age. So, I temporarily gave up, to be continued when I find
better information (and maybe some inspiration). Or, I can wait for
Tom to either fix the dates and/or provide explanations.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/2/2024 1:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 2 May 2024 05:37:53 -0400, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/2024 9:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.
>>>
>>> Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
>>> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
>>> <https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
>>> show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
>>> years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
>>> 87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
>>> was only:
>>> 92 - 85 = 7 years old
>>> when your older brother was born.
>>>
>>> Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
>>> 85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.
>>>
>>> I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
>>> tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
>>> brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
>>> or sister.
>>>
>>> You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
>>> which claims that she was:
>>> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
>>> John Kunich died in 1987:
>>> <https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>
>
>> further to that point, tom is 80? that would have made his mother 12
>> when she had him?
>
> Close. Tom claims he was born in Oct, 1944. That makes him 79.5
> years old.
>
> I don't know what to think about the mess I've uncovered. There are
> some obvious mistakes and discrepancies. To deal with such things, I
> typically use Occam's Razor, which applied here means that the fewest
> number of changes that make the dates and names work, is probably
> correct. Unfortunately, that works best when there's only one error.
> In this mess, it appears to me that EVERYTHING is wrong. The only
> numbers I can trust are those provided by official documents and
> databases. The dates in both obituaries were presumably provided by
> family members, so those cannot be considered authoritative. Using
> probability that a number is correct isn't going to work when almost
> all the dates and numbers are likely to be wrong. I'm not even sure
> if there are one or two Tom's:
>
> 06/22/2022
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/bycPOPjsB8Y/m/nvoxM67OBAAJ>
> "...there is a man with the SAME NAME and SAME AGE as me. I stated
> that I received his mail when he lived in San Leandro and personally
> took it to his proper address..."
>
> In order to make some sense of this, I would need to change almost
> every event, date and number. As threatened, I started building a
> time line. That's when I found the problem with Tom's alleged older
> brother's age. So, I temporarily gave up, to be continued when I find
> better information (and maybe some inspiration). Or, I can wait for
> Tom to either fix the dates and/or provide explanations.
>
>
>
>

Hmmm. Just the sort of data manipulation one might expect of
a silicon-based replicant from another planet...
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/2/2024 2:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 2 May 2024 05:37:53 -0400, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/2024 9:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.
>>>
>>> Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
>>> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
>>> <https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
>>> show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
>>> years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
>>> 87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
>>> was only:
>>> 92 - 85 = 7 years old
>>> when your older brother was born.
>>>
>>> Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
>>> 85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.
>>>
>>> I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
>>> tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
>>> brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
>>> or sister.
>>>
>>> You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
>>> which claims that she was:
>>> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
>>> John Kunich died in 1987:
>>> <https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>
>
>> further to that point, tom is 80? that would have made his mother 12
>> when she had him?
>
> Close. Tom claims he was born in Oct, 1944. That makes him 79.5
> years old.
>
> I don't know what to think about the mess I've uncovered. There are
> some obvious mistakes and discrepancies. To deal with such things, I
> typically use Occam's Razor, which applied here means that the fewest
> number of changes that make the dates and names work, is probably
> correct. Unfortunately, that works best when there's only one error.
> In this mess, it appears to me that EVERYTHING is wrong. The only
> numbers I can trust are those provided by official documents and
> databases. The dates in both obituaries were presumably provided by
> family members, so those cannot be considered authoritative. Using
> probability that a number is correct isn't going to work when almost
> all the dates and numbers are likely to be wrong. I'm not even sure
> if there are one or two Tom's:
>
> 06/22/2022
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/bycPOPjsB8Y/m/nvoxM67OBAAJ>
> "...there is a man with the SAME NAME and SAME AGE as me. I stated
> that I received his mail when he lived in San Leandro and personally
> took it to his proper address..."

lol...what a load of horseshit....Next he'll tell us he's a chimera.

On Thu, 2 May 2024 15:01:54 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/2/2024 2:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 05:37:53 -0400, zen cycle
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/1/2024 9:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.
>>>>
>>>> Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
>>>> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
>>>> <https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
>>>> show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
>>>> years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
>>>> 87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
>>>> was only:
>>>> 92 - 85 = 7 years old
>>>> when your older brother was born.
>>>>
>>>> Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
>>>> 85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
>>>> tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
>>>> brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
>>>> or sister.
>>>>
>>>> You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
>>>> which claims that she was:
>>>> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
>>>> John Kunich died in 1987:
>>>> <https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>
>>
>>> further to that point, tom is 80? that would have made his mother 12
>>> when she had him?
>>
>> Close. Tom claims he was born in Oct, 1944. That makes him 79.5
>> years old.

Tom's mother, Violet Kunich, was born January 19, 1931. Tom was born
in Oct, 1944. The difference is 13.7 years. Getting pregnant at 12
or 13 is possible, but it's risky and unusual.
"What's the youngest age that a person can get pregnant and give
birth?"
<https://www.livescience.com/youngest-age-give-birth-pregnancy>
"The complications, the morbidity and the mortality are much higher in
girls under 15 than girls 16 to 19, although 16 to 19 has a mortality
twice as high as women 20 and above"
>> I don't know what to think about the mess I've uncovered. There are
>> some obvious mistakes and discrepancies. To deal with such things, I
>> typically use Occam's Razor, which applied here means that the fewest
>> number of changes that make the dates and names work, is probably
>> correct. Unfortunately, that works best when there's only one error.
>> In this mess, it appears to me that EVERYTHING is wrong. The only
>> numbers I can trust are those provided by official documents and
>> databases. The dates in both obituaries were presumably provided by
>> family members, so those cannot be considered authoritative. Using
>> probability that a number is correct isn't going to work when almost
>> all the dates and numbers are likely to be wrong. I'm not even sure
>> if there are one or two Tom's:
>>
>> 06/22/2022
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/bycPOPjsB8Y/m/nvoxM67OBAAJ>
>> "...there is a man with the SAME NAME and SAME AGE as me. I stated
>> that I received his mail when he lived in San Leandro and personally
>> took it to his proper address..."

>lol...what a load of horseshit....Next he'll tell us he's a chimera.

The plot thickens.

<https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/eastbaytimes/name/katie-lupori-obituary?id=28146179>
Katie Lupori was the sister of Tom's father (John Kunich). The
obituary lists:
"sister-in-law Violet Kunich of San Leandro, CA"
and
"nephews Ted and John Kunich of Pleasanton, CA"
Note the names Ted and John Kunich.

Yet, when someone wrote the two obituaries for Tom's mother (Violet
Kunich), Ted was magically converted from Tom's father in law and John
became one of his son's in:
<https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
"Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich; children
Ted (Jennifer) Kunich and John (Mike) Kunich; and grandchildren"
No clue (yet) about why there were two John's or who Jennifer might
be.

I think there is enough data to produce a preliminary bad guess(tm). I
worked for a time in a mortuary (pushing a broom). We had templates
for the different types of obituaries. Much like these:
<https://www.betterplaceforests.com/blog/short-obituary-examples/>
Someone, probably Tom, filled in the obituary forms with erroneous
information. The biggest error was not including Tom as one of Violet
Kunich's children. The result is the tangle of names, dates, ages,
etc that I'm dealing with. What a mess.

Reminder: This isn't the first time I've had help Tom fix his dates.
When I first saw his LinkedIn resume, there were several time spans
when Tom was working at two jobs simultaneously.
02/08/2021
Overlapping employment date ranges and resume edits.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_Y1MbXuzvNo/m/4TLVG7fkAQAJ>
To his credit, Tom corrected the overlapping employment dates.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/2/2024 4:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 2 May 2024 15:01:54 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2024 2:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 05:37:53 -0400, zen cycle
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/1/2024 9:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 19:10:27 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My older brother had good teeth but at 85 his gums are giving out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom, your mother's obituaries at:
>>>>> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
>>>>> <https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>
>>>>> show that your math doesn't work. If your older brother is really 85
>>>>> years old today, and your mother, had she lived, would be:
>>>>> 87 + (2024 - 2019) = 87 + 5 = 92 years old today, then your mother
>>>>> was only:
>>>>> 92 - 85 = 7 years old
>>>>> when your older brother was born.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another way to look at it is your brother would have been:
>>>>> 85 - (2024 - 2019) = 80 years old when your mother died at age 87.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe you have an older brother. However, it's difficult to
>>>>> tell from your mother's obituary because the name of the alleged
>>>>> brother is listed as Ted (Jennifer) Kunich, which could be a brother
>>>>> or sister.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might also want to fix the above Grissom Mortuary obituary text,
>>>>> which claims that she was:
>>>>> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich..."
>>>>> John Kunich died in 1987:
>>>>> <https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10002-88144066/john-a-kunich-in-us-social-security-death-index-ssdi>
>>>
>>>> further to that point, tom is 80? that would have made his mother 12
>>>> when she had him?
>>>
>>> Close. Tom claims he was born in Oct, 1944. That makes him 79.5
>>> years old.
>
> Tom's mother, Violet Kunich, was born January 19, 1931. Tom was born
> in Oct, 1944. The difference is 13.7 years. Getting pregnant at 12
> or 13 is possible, but it's risky and unusual.
> "What's the youngest age that a person can get pregnant and give
> birth?"
> <https://www.livescience.com/youngest-age-give-birth-pregnancy>
> "The complications, the morbidity and the mortality are much higher in
> girls under 15 than girls 16 to 19, although 16 to 19 has a mortality
> twice as high as women 20 and above"
>
>>> I don't know what to think about the mess I've uncovered. There are
>>> some obvious mistakes and discrepancies. To deal with such things, I
>>> typically use Occam's Razor, which applied here means that the fewest
>>> number of changes that make the dates and names work, is probably
>>> correct. Unfortunately, that works best when there's only one error.
>>> In this mess, it appears to me that EVERYTHING is wrong. The only
>>> numbers I can trust are those provided by official documents and
>>> databases. The dates in both obituaries were presumably provided by
>>> family members, so those cannot be considered authoritative. Using
>>> probability that a number is correct isn't going to work when almost
>>> all the dates and numbers are likely to be wrong. I'm not even sure
>>> if there are one or two Tom's:
>>>
>>> 06/22/2022
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/bycPOPjsB8Y/m/nvoxM67OBAAJ>
>>> "...there is a man with the SAME NAME and SAME AGE as me. I stated
>>> that I received his mail when he lived in San Leandro and personally
>>> took it to his proper address..."
>
>> lol...what a load of horseshit....Next he'll tell us he's a chimera.
>
> The plot thickens.
>
> <https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/eastbaytimes/name/katie-lupori-obituary?id=28146179>
> Katie Lupori was the sister of Tom's father (John Kunich). The
> obituary lists:
> "sister-in-law Violet Kunich of San Leandro, CA"
> and
> "nephews Ted and John Kunich of Pleasanton, CA"
> Note the names Ted and John Kunich.
>
> Yet, when someone wrote the two obituaries for Tom's mother (Violet
> Kunich), Ted was magically converted from Tom's father in law and John
> became one of his son's in:
> <https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
> "Violet is survived by her husband of 23 years, John Kunich; children
> Ted (Jennifer) Kunich and John (Mike) Kunich; and grandchildren"
> No clue (yet) about why there were two John's or who Jennifer might
> be.
>
> I think there is enough data to produce a preliminary bad guess(tm). I
> worked for a time in a mortuary (pushing a broom). We had templates
> for the different types of obituaries. Much like these:
> <https://www.betterplaceforests.com/blog/short-obituary-examples/>
> Someone, probably Tom, filled in the obituary forms with erroneous
> information. The biggest error was not including Tom as one of Violet
> Kunich's children.

Seems similar to the drunk-posting he does here.

The result is the tangle of names, dates, ages,
> etc that I'm dealing with. What a mess.
>
> Reminder: This isn't the first time I've had help Tom fix his dates.
> When I first saw his LinkedIn resume, there were several time spans
> when Tom was working at two jobs simultaneously.
> 02/08/2021
> Overlapping employment date ranges and resume edits.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_Y1MbXuzvNo/m/4TLVG7fkAQAJ>
> To his credit, Tom corrected the overlapping employment dates.
>
>
>

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On Thu, 2 May 2024 17:01:13 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Seems similar to the drunk-posting he does here.

Maybe. However, I'm sympathetic. When my father died, I was stuck
(by default) with handling the funeral arrangements. I did my best,
but made more than a few mistakes. The family vultures (relatives)
were all circling. I had years to prepare, but it came as a shock
anyway. I wasn't thinking clearly. A family friend recognized the
problem and jumped in to help me. The mortuary staff completed the
forms for the obituary and made a mess of them. I had to fix it after
friends and relatives noticed the errors when printed versions were
handed out at the funeral. After the funeral, there was a small
reception at the family house. There was wine on the table, but I
don't recall seeing anyone drinking wine. I would have loved to drink
myself into a semi-conscious stupor, but didn't.

It was not a pleasant time for me and I can understand why Tom (or
someone else) might have made mistakes on the obituary. However, I
can't understand why Tom wouldn't correct them later. Surely the
adopted children and relatives would have eventually noticed.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558