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 by: David Taylor - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:19 UTC

On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
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Makes a lot of sense. Even Apple are USB-C now.

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In article <sii5t9$6j6$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
> >
>
> Makes a lot of sense.

it never makes sense for a government to mandate how private companies
should design their products, other than for safety, which is not what
this is about.

it's also a proposal. it may not happen.

it wasn't that long ago they wanted to mandate micro-usb, which would
have been a disaster.

in a few years, another connector will replace usb-c. then what?

> Even Apple are USB-C now.

what do you mean 'even apple' ?? apple was *first* to use usb-c, nearly
seven years ago. the rest of the industry has been very slow to adopt
it.

however, apple does not use usb-c on all of their products because it
does not make sense to do so, including all iphones, ipad, ipod touch
airpods standard, pro & max, magic mouse, trackpad & keyboard, apple tv
remote, apple watch dock, and probably a few more i've forgotten.

changing connectors would be highly disruptive and incur substantial
amounts of waste.

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On 23/09/2021 16:39, nospam wrote:
> In article <sii5t9$6j6$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
> <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
>>>
>>
>> Makes a lot of sense.
>
> it never makes sense for a government to mandate how private companies
> should design their products, other than for safety, which is not what
> this is about.

While I generally agree with that principle, it comes about from a wish
to reduce waste (a good idea) with the unintended consequence of making
life much easier for consumers as well as allowing manufacturers to sell
stuff cheaper with no charger. Electronics companies *could* have got
together and agreed standards to make chargers more interchangeable, but
they didn't.

>
> it's also a proposal. it may not happen.
>
> it wasn't that long ago they wanted to mandate micro-usb, which would
> have been a disaster.

While it isn't the greatest connector, disaster is a bit strong. I guess
50% of my stuff is micro usb, with about equal quantities of mini and -C
at the moment.

>
> in a few years, another connector will replace usb-c. then what?

Probably, but it's a pretty good connector (and conveniently reversible).

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In article <2dudnasyCPUlM9H8nZ2dnUU78SnNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
newshound <newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:

> >> Makes a lot of sense.
> >
> > it never makes sense for a government to mandate how private companies
> > should design their products, other than for safety, which is not what
> > this is about.
>
> While I generally agree with that principle, it comes about from a wish
> to reduce waste (a good idea)

reducing waste is a good idea. the problem is that a mandate will do
the opposite because people will need to replace their existing cables
for absolutely no reason, other than a new law was passed.

> with the unintended consequence of making
> life much easier for consumers as well as allowing manufacturers to sell
> stuff cheaper with no charger.

the chargers have always been fully interchangeable.

> Electronics companies *could* have got
> together and agreed standards to make chargers more interchangeable, but
> they didn't.

the chargers aren't the problem. it's the ports on the *devices* that
are at issue.

also, usb-c was approved *after* apple switched to lightning. it wasn't
an option at that time.

> > it's also a proposal. it may not happen.
> >
> > it wasn't that long ago they wanted to mandate micro-usb, which would
> > have been a disaster.
>
> While it isn't the greatest connector, disaster is a bit strong. I guess
> 50% of my stuff is micro usb, with about equal quantities of mini and -C
> at the moment.

if micro-usb was legally mandated, then everything would still be
micro-usb and usb-c would be very rare. that would be bad.

it's never a good idea for a government to mandate how a product should
be designed, other than for safety regulations, which is not what this
is about.

> > in a few years, another connector will replace usb-c. then what?
>
> Probably, but it's a pretty good connector (and conveniently reversible).

you can thank apple for that, who was on the usb-c design committee.

usb-c still has issues. one of the biggest problems is excessive torque
can damage the device rather than the cable, usually by breaking the
tab inside the port or the connector itself, resulting in an expensive
repair.

apple's lightning cables are designed to shear and avoid damage to the
device. pull out the broken tab from inside the port, replace the cable
for $5-10 and all is well.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 22:34 UTC

On 23/09/2021 17.19, David Taylor wrote:
> On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
>>
>
> Makes a lot of sense.  Even Apple are USB-C now.
>

It is wonderful. About time.

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Carlos E.R.

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 by: RichA - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 23:15 UTC

On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 11:19:09 UTC-4, David Taylor wrote:
> On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
> >
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> Makes a lot of sense. Even Apple are USB-C now.
From the mind of the EU Politburo

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In article <svbv1ixkgr.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> > Makes a lot of sense.  Even Apple are USB-C now.
> >
>
> It is wonderful. About time.

apple was *first* to support usb-c.

just not on phones, for very good reasons.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Fri, 24 Sep 2021 01:29 UTC

On 24/09/2021 02.00, nospam wrote:
> In article <svbv1ixkgr.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Makes a lot of sense.  Even Apple are USB-C now.
>>>
>>
>> It is wonderful. About time.
>
> apple was *first* to support usb-c.
>
> just not on phones, for very good reasons.
>

I'm not saying anything about Apple, in any direction.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 07:56:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA posted:-

> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809

Keeps these useless public servants partially employed?

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 by: geoff - Fri, 24 Sep 2021 04:57 UTC

On 24/09/2021 12:00 pm, nospam wrote:
> In article <svbv1ixkgr.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Makes a lot of sense.  Even Apple are USB-C now.
>>>
>>
>> It is wonderful. About time.
>
> apple was *first* to support usb-c.
>
> just not on phones, for very good reasons.
>

Being .... ?

geoff

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On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 16:19:09 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote:
> On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
> >
>
> Makes a lot of sense. Even Apple are USB-C now.

Make a bit of sense but as it;s government and the EU
it won't make any long term sense.

The day will come when USB-C can;t suplpy enough power to charge a phone in 5mins
which may well happen as batter technology changes over time.

I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.

Let polititions stick to what they are best at which is inreasing their own pay
while just working a few hours/days per week for it.

>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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 by: Magani - Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:38 UTC

On Friday, 24 September 2021 at 10:22:59 pm UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 16:19:09 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote:
> > On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
> > > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
> > >
> >
> > Makes a lot of sense. Even Apple are USB-C now.
> Make a bit of sense but as it;s government and the EU
> it won't make any long term sense.
>
> The day will come when USB-C can;t suplpy enough power to charge a phone in 5mins
> which may well happen as batter technology changes over time.
>
> I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
> Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.

Somewhere in the bottom of a pile of IT 'spares' (= junk) in the shed, I seem to remember seeing my first Hayes 1200baud modem with flashing lights. I thought it magic at the time.
I guess we should watch out that this doesn't turn into a "...shoebox in middle t'road."
:-))
Cheers,
Magani

>
> Let polititions stick to what they are best at which is inreasing their own pay
> while just working a few hours/days per week for it.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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 by: geoff - Sat, 25 Sep 2021 01:48 UTC

On 25/09/2021 12:22 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 16:19:09 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
>>>
>>
>> Makes a lot of sense. Even Apple are USB-C now.
>
> Make a bit of sense but as it;s government and the EU
> it won't make any long term sense.
>
> The day will come when USB-C can;t suplpy enough power to charge a phone in 5mins
> which may well happen as batter technology changes over time.
>
> I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
> Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.

That was nothing to do with any government or regional pact decree.
That was an industry-derived standard.

geoff

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 by: Keith - Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:42 UTC

Call me a dinosaur but my first link to a computer was via a Teltype ASR33
at 10cps (GPO 300 baud modem) writing programs in Basic for designing processing
units in oil refineries. A TTY ASR33 is used as the consol for the valve
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Hello Geoff,

> On 25/09/2021 12:22 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 16:19:09 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/09/2021 15:56, RichA wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809
>>>>
>>> Makes a lot of sense. Even Apple are USB-C now.
>>>
>> Make a bit of sense but as it;s government and the EU it won't make
>> any long term sense.
>>
>> The day will come when USB-C can;t suplpy enough power to charge a
>> phone in 5mins which may well happen as batter technology changes
>> over time.
>>
>> I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600
>> baud. Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way
>> D-connector.
>>
> That was nothing to do with any government or regional pact decree.
> That was an industry-derived standard.
>
> geoff
>

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On 25/09/2021 10:42, Keith wrote:
> Call me a dinosaur but my first link to a computer was via a Teltype
> ASR33 at 10cps (GPO 300 baud modem) writing programs in Basic for
> designing processing units in oil refineries. A TTY ASR33 is used as the
> consol for the valve computer at Bletchly Park. 4K of 9bit 3 character
> (19 bit) words max for a program - bloatware not yet invented.
>

+1, only in my case connecting to a PDP-8e. With the toggle switches for
loading the RIM loader. Later it was upgraded with twin 8 inch floppies.
Then a Silent 700, and eventually a VDU!

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 by: geoff - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:11 UTC

On 25/09/2021 9:42 pm, Keith wrote:
> Call me a dinosaur but my first link to a computer was via a Teltype
> ASR33 at 10cps (GPO 300 baud modem) writing programs in Basic for
> designing processing units in oil refineries. A TTY ASR33 is used as the
> consol for the valve computer at Bletchly Park. 4K of 9bit 3 character
> (19 bit) words max for a program - bloatware not yet invented.
>

OK beat 50-baud Creed and Olivetti electro-mechanical teleprinters
(telex-machines)with old-style typewriter type mechanisms.

The along came the TE400 with a height-of-technology 9-pin dot-matrix
print head.

geoff

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:20 UTC

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:11:38 +1300, geoff posted:-

> On 25/09/2021 9:42 pm, Keith wrote:
> > Call me a dinosaur but my first link to a computer was via a
> > Teltype ASR33 at 10cps (GPO 300 baud modem) writing programs in
> > Basic for designing processing units in oil refineries. A TTY ASR33
> > is used as the consol for the valve computer at Bletchly Park. 4K
> > of 9bit 3 character (19 bit) words max for a program - bloatware
> > not yet invented.
>
> OK beat 50-baud Creed and Olivetti electro-mechanical teleprinters
> (telex-machines)with old-style typewriter type mechanisms.
>
> The along came the TE400 with a height-of-technology 9-pin
> dot-matrix print head.
>
> geoff

I remember when Olivetti came out with an adding machine, with a pull
handle, but a revolutionary keyboard, only the numbers 1 to 0 and not
in columns. People would look at it in amazement. I still see banks
using Olivetti equipment as well - Westpac uses their small printers in
the teller's cage to print a voucher.

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 by: nospam - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:46 UTC

In article <eL2dnYcYFZ5s4tP8nZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
<geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> > I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
> > Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.
>
> That was nothing to do with any government or regional pact decree.
> That was an industry-derived standard.

not a very good one, with substantial variances in voltage, pinouts and
handshaking.

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 by: nospam - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:46 UTC

In article <u5OdnT2ejeAyx9D8nZ2dnUU7-dudnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
<geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> >>> Makes a lot of sense.  Even Apple are USB-C now.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It is wonderful. About time.
> >
> > apple was *first* to support usb-c.
> >
> > just not on phones, for very good reasons.
> >
>
>
> Being .... ?

changing connectors is disruptive. it will instantly annoy more than a
billion people and cause *substantial* waste, for no benefit.

lightning was created because usb-c did not exist at the time and
micro-usb was not capable of providing the specs apple needed. plus,
the micro-usb connector is horrible, one of the worst connectors ever
designed.

lightning is thinner and shorter than usb-c, which is extremely
important on a highly space-constrained device.

one of the biggest advantages is that the lightning plug designed to
shear if the cable is subjected to excessive torque, thereby avoiding
damage the device, usb-c is not.

excessive torque with usb-c can (and often does) cause damage to the
connector in the device, which almost always means replacing the entire
device and that can be hundreds or thousands of dollars. people don't
like when that happens. it's not anything that would be covered under
warranty either, since it's user damage and not a manufacturing defect.

with lightning, the tab on the cable will snap (it's a requirement for
any cable), leaving a broken piece in the phone. remove it, replace the
cable for $5-10 and problem solved. the user can probably remove the
tab on their own with a toothpick.

another issue is the huge third party ecosystem of lightning devices
that will suddenly become useless. worse, it will cause significant
financial hardship for companies who will be stuck with products that
can't be used by those buying new iphones.

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 by: geoff - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 22:10 UTC

On 27/09/2021 3:46 am, nospam wrote:
> In article <eL2dnYcYFZ5s4tP8nZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>>> I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
>>> Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.
>>
>> That was nothing to do with any government or regional pact decree.
>> That was an industry-derived standard.
>
> not a very good one, with substantial variances in voltage, pinouts and
> handshaking.
>

Kept the world going for decades, with relatively few complications - in
the professional arena at least.

geoff

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:22 UTC

On 26/09/2021 16.46, nospam wrote:
> In article <u5OdnT2ejeAyx9D8nZ2dnUU7-dudnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>>>>> Makes a lot of sense.  Even Apple are USB-C now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is wonderful. About time.
>>>
>>> apple was *first* to support usb-c.
>>>
>>> just not on phones, for very good reasons.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Being .... ?
>
> changing connectors is disruptive. it will instantly annoy more than a
> billion people and cause *substantial* waste, for no benefit.

But there will be no change on existing devices, only new devices are
affected, thus no issue.

Anyway, your problems with the EU rule are irrelevant, it will happen,
so better take it in good spirits - or not, maybe those in the USA will
not be affected :-P

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Carlos E.R.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:24 UTC

On 27/09/2021 00.10, geoff wrote:
> On 27/09/2021 3:46 am, nospam wrote:
>> In article <eL2dnYcYFZ5s4tP8nZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
>> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
>>>> Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.
>>>
>>> That was nothing to do with any government or regional pact decree.
>>> That was an industry-derived standard.
>>
>> not a very good one, with substantial variances in voltage, pinouts and
>> handshaking.
>>
>
> Kept the world going for decades, with relatively few complications - in
> the professional arena at least.

Still going on :-)

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Carlos E.R.

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<geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> >>> I remmeber when speed standards for communication were up to 9600 baud.
> >>> Imaging having to stick to that over a RS232 25 way D-connector.
> >>
> >> That was nothing to do with any government or regional pact decree.
> >> That was an industry-derived standard.
> >
> > not a very good one, with substantial variances in voltage, pinouts and
> > handshaking.
> >
>
> Kept the world going for decades, with relatively few complications - in
> the professional arena at least.

actually, there were numerous complications.

in addition to what's listed above above, add dce/dte, null-modem
cables, gender changers, bit rate and data/start/parity bits.

since the signaling voltage varied from +/-3 to 15v, some devices would
not work with other devices.

there were even breakout boxes to debug it:

<https://through-the-interface.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452464869e201b7c952
823d970b-pi>

even the connector wasn't standardized. companies soon realized only a
few pins were needed, so they used db-9 instead of db-25, resulting in
adapters, or they used a custom non-standard adapter.

<https://www.l-com.com/Content/Images/Product/Large/DGL259FF-IBM_500x500
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it was anything *but* standard.

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In article <7vb72ix26c.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >
> > changing connectors is disruptive. it will instantly annoy more than a
> > billion people and cause *substantial* waste, for no benefit.
>
> But there will be no change on existing devices, only new devices are
> affected, thus no issue.

there is very much an issue because people will need to replace their
existing cables, docks, accessories when they upgrade to a new phone

most people hand down their old phones to their kids or other family
members, so they still need to keep the old stuff around.

> Anyway, your problems with the EU rule are irrelevant, it will happen,
> so better take it in good spirits - or not, maybe those in the USA will
> not be affected :-P

it's currently a proposal and will likely change before it's finalized.

keep in mind they want to mandate using a connector that is nearly ten
years old.

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