Take that Elsevier!
> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research

Mikek

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> Take that Elsevier!
> > https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
>
> Mikek

Don't be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.

On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
>> Take that Elsevier!
>>> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
>> Mikek
> Don't be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
I'm not sure that's how it will work, but, I'll be glad to have access
to more articles.
                                           Mikek

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> >> Take that Elsevier!
> >>> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> >> Mikek
> > Don't be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
> I'm not sure that's how it will work, but, I'll be glad to have access
> to more articles.
> Mikek

You think the government can order a for profit business to start giving stuff away??? They have costs to cover too. The publishers were in on the policy inception at OSTP. That means they will be reimbursed.

On 9/3/2022 10:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
>> On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
>>>> Take that Elsevier!
>>>>> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
>>>> Mikek
>>> Don't be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
>> I'm not sure that's how it will work, but, I'll be glad to have access
>> to more articles.
>> Mikek
> You think the government can order a for profit business to start giving stuff away??? They have costs to cover too. The publishers were in on the policy inception at OSTP. That means they will be reimbursed.
  I know, you poor baby, your sky is falling.
                       Mikek

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:05:49 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> On 9/3/2022 10:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> >> On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> >>>> Take that Elsevier!
> >>>>> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> >>>> Mikek
> >>> Don't be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
> >> I'm not sure that's how it will work, but, I'll be glad to have access
> >> to more articles.
> >> Mikek
> > You think the government can order a for profit business to start giving stuff away??? They have costs to cover too. The publishers were in on the policy inception at OSTP. That means they will be reimbursed.
> I know, you poor baby, your sky is falling.

Positively brilliant summary of your comprehension.

> Mikek

On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
<amdx@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1@dont-email.me>:

>  Take that Elsevier!
>> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
>
>Mikek

Good

amdx wrote:
> On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
>>> Take that Elsevier!
>>>> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
>>>>
>>> Mikek
>> Don't be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the
>> taxpayer, for the accesses.
> I'm not sure that's how it will work, but, I'll be glad to have access
> to more articles.
>                                            Mikek

The articles you can get from SciHub if you need to. This Venezuelan
rule-by-decree stuff has got to stop.

Phil Hobbs

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
>
> > Â Take that Elsevier!
> >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> >
> >Mikek
>
> Good

They're Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >
> > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > >
> > >Mikek
> >
> > Good
> They're Dutch
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier

Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > >
> > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > >
> > > > >Mikek
> > > >
> > > > Good
> > > They're Dutch
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.

Nothing new there; page charges.

> Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.

The other alternative, is to host electronic copies on an open archive, like NTIS (US national technical
information service, hosts lots of reprints and reports). That'd require NTIS to get a bit bigger,
it's a relatively small agency (circa 100 people).

Publication online by a commercial publisher is a volatile resource, not as stable as bound journals
in dozens of interlinked libraries. I've heard, though, that even a US patent can be hard to locate.
Does anyone remember an anecdote about a synthetic fuel patent that was
systematically stolen from multiple US libraries, around early WWII?

On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<29bda710-fe9f-402d-8a19-0f6f28e2c913n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>> > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
>> > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
>> > >
>> > > > =C3=82 Take that Elsevier!
>> > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
>>
>> > >
>> > > >Mikek
>> > >
>> > > Good
>> > They're Dutch
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
>> Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
>
>The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article
>, they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article
>where it can be read.
>
>Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver,
>if the grant-giver is feeling generous.

Anybody can put their work on some server for free.
No magazines needed,
Sites linking to it live from advertising, like google, sciencedaily, many others.
It sucks if such a link ends in a request for 30$ or so,
The time for magazines like ELsevier has long past, I no longer subscribe to any...
As to peer review, in some cases it hinders progress, Einstein parroting comes to mind.
The peer check should already have happened at the University anyways.

Billy the CO2 kid came forward with the following opiuminion:

>It sucks if they haven't done the work required to exclude climate change denial
>propaganda and similar kinds of self-reserving rubbish.

DOA

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > >
> > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > >
> > > > >Mikek
> > > >
> > > > Good
> > > They're Dutch
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
>
> Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

All professional publications I have delt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:02:22 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
> William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> <29bda710-fe9f-402d...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>
> >> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>
> >> > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> >> > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > =C3=82 Take that Elsevier!
> >> > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > >Mikek
> >> > >
> >> > > Good
> >> > They're Dutch
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> >> Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> >
> >The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article
> >, they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article
> >where it can be read.
> >
> >Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver,
> >if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
> Anybody can put their work on some server for free.
> No magazines needed,
> Sites linking to it live from advertising, like google, sciencedaily, many others.
> It sucks if such a link ends in a request for 30$ or so,
> The time for magazines like ELsevier has long past, I no longer subscribe to any...
> As to peer review, in some cases it hinders progress, Einstein parroting comes to mind.
> The peer check should already have happened at the University anyways.

Not so. The publications require that the authors sign over copyrights to them.

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 7:47:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 2:30:21 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >
> > Billy the CO2 kid came forward with the following opinion:
>
> There's nothing special about CO2. It is one of the greenhouse gases and Jan Panteltje doesn't know enough to appreciate what this means.
> > >It sucks if they haven't done the work required to exclude climate change denial
> > >propaganda and similar kinds of self-reserving rubbish.
> '
> > DOA
> Any kind of lying propaganda needs to be killed off before it gets published anywhere where it might look as if had some kind of scientific authority.

This is nothing more than pure censorship, Bozo.

> Gullible twits do get upset when their favorite delusions get jeered at.
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On a sunny day (Thu, 6 Oct 2022 22:52:14 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<3ab12935-51ce-4f3a-8ea7-3943580e8151n@googlegroups.com>:

>But the peer-reviewed magazines have credibility that self-published nutters lack.
>
>> > Sites linking to it live from advertising, like google, sciencedaily, many others.
>> > It sucks if such a link ends in a request for 30$ or so,
>> > The time for magazines like ELsevier has long past, I no longer subscribe to any...
>
>That figures. Jan gets misinformed for free.

You should really stop your silly ego trip here.
Endlessly attacking people from your imaginary high tower with your bit more than high school education..

You could actually learn something, even some electronics perhaps, from simply the internet.
No need for pee[r] reviews content by the likes of you!!!!!!!

By your age, above 6 years old, most humming beans are capable of deciding for themselves what makes sense :-)

There are websites that accept your paper for free.
Google is one of the greatest things we have now for self-education and access
to all sorts of info.
If it is really ground-shaking then industry will grab it and humanity will [hopefully] be served
Or is it just the ego trip you want?
The danger of people like you pee[r] reviewing is that we will remain in the kwantuum stones age..
So considering adding you to my filters as you can be easily replaced by a script of a few lines,
hey! looking back I see I have not found it of value to save any of your replies
for an example

blah blah
but XX does not know enough about THIS THAT OR THE OTHER

Get a life spammer!!!!

plonk
good riddance

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Mikek
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good
> > > > > They're Dutch
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > > > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> > > The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
> > >
> > > Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
> >
> > All professional publications I have dealt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.
>
> Not that Gnatguy can provide a list of these publications. As Tom Sims he might be able to, but what Google scholar came up with for that name didn't have much to do with aviation
>
> https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=
>
> lists a bunch of mine, and I've never paid any page charges.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

HA HA HA HA! Not only can't you spell your OWN NAME, Bozo, you DEFINITELY CAN'T SPELL MINE!!!

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Mikek
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good
> > > > > They're Dutch
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > > > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> > > The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
> > >
> > > Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
> >
> > All professional publications I have dealt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.
>
> Not that Gnatguy can provide a list of these publications. As Tom Sims he might be able to, but what Google scholar came up with for that name didn't have much to do with aviation
>
> https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=
>
> lists a bunch of mine, and I've never paid any page charges.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Well, Bozo, that was so long ago that publications were hammered out of stone. But, for us more modern authors that is DEFINITELY not the case:
https://cis.ieee.org/publications/ci-magazine/cim-page-charges#:~:text=Authors%20of%20papers%20accepted%20for,every%20page*%20over%20these%20limits.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:43:38 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > > > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Mikek
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > They're Dutch
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > > > > > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> > > > > The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
> > > >
> > > > All professional publications I have dealt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.
> > >
> > > Not that Gnatguy can provide a list of these publications. As Tom Sims he might be able to, but what Google scholar came up with for that name didn't have much to do with aviation
> > >
> > > https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=
> > >
> > > lists a bunch of mine, and I've never paid any page charges.
> >
> > You DEFINITELY CAN'T SPELL MINE!!!
>
> As an anonymous troll, you haven't spelled out you name explicitly. As an incompetent anonymous troll you did leak it once, but I really didn't want to remember it accurately, or at all.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Fucker, you EXPLICITLY claimed that I have no authorized papers IN MY NAME - you better well SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY, PERVERT!!!

On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:28:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:43:38 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > > > > > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Mikek
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > > > They're Dutch
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> > > > > > > The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All professional publications I have dealt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that Gnatguy can provide a list of these publications. As Tom Sims he might be able to, but what Google scholar came up with for that name didn't have much to do with aviation
> > > > >
> > > > > https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=
> > > > >
> > > > > lists a bunch of mine, and I've never paid any page charges.
> > > >
> > > > You DEFINITELY CAN'T SPELL MINE!!!
> > >
> > > As an anonymous troll, you haven't spelled out you name explicitly. As an incompetent anonymous troll you did leak it once, but I really didn't want to remember it accurately, or at all.
> >
> > Hey Fucker, you EXPLICITLY claimed that I have no authorized papers IN MY NAME - you better well SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY.
>
> A strange demand from an anonymous troll.
>
> I'm prepared to believe that you once got something published somewhere, probably by some kind of vanity press, but I'd be surprised if anybody ever cited it.
>
> You'd have to tell us your real name and post a link to the publication before we'd take you seriously, and telling us that your real name was Richard Feynman wouldn't actually work.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

I don't have to do SHIT, Bozo - YOU are the one that made this false claim, so it is up to YOU to back it up, but you CAN'T!!!!!!!

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:34:16 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:54:35 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:28:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:43:38 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > > > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Take that Elsevier!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Mikek
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > > > > > They're Dutch
> > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
> > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
> > > > > > > > > The catch is that if the publisher can't charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All professional publications I have dealt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not that Gnatguy can provide a list of these publications. As Tom Sims he might be able to, but what Google scholar came up with for that name didn't have much to do with aviation
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lists a bunch of mine, and I've never paid any page charges.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You DEFINITELY CAN'T SPELL MINE!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > As an anonymous troll, you haven't spelled out your name explicitly. As an incompetent anonymous troll you did leak it once, but I really didn't want to remember it accurately, or at all.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Fucker, you EXPLICITLY claimed that I have no authorized papers IN MY NAME - you better well SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY.
> > >
> > > A strange demand from an anonymous troll.
> > >
> > > I'm prepared to believe that you once got something published somewhere, probably by some kind of vanity press, but I'd be surprised if anybody ever cited it.
> > >
> > > You'd have to tell us your real name and post a link to the publication before we'd take you seriously, and telling us that your real name was Richard Feynman wouldn't actually work.
> > >
> > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
> >
> > I don't have to do SHIT, Bozo - YOU are the one that made this false claim, so it is up to YOU to back it up, but you CAN'T!!!!!!!
> You are the one that invented that false claim - I never made it. It's like your claim to be a licensed pilot - it's implausible, and you've never even tried to prove it, so scepticism is appropriate, but this isn't the same as explicitly claiming that you weren't once a licensed pilot or a published author.

ABSOLUTELY NOT, BOZO!

YOU are the one that I have not authored any professional papers. This is FALSE.

YOU claim I don't have a pilot's license, which is EASILY VERIFIABLE, but you REFUSE to do it because you will be PROVEN TO BE A LIAR!!! You KNOW MY NAME - search the FAA's records and you WILL FIND IT, BOZO!!!! Report back with what you found, dirtbag.

>
> You'd have to tell us a real name and provide a link to a paper published under that name before you could even get to first base, and we'd then have the problem of working out whether the real name was your real name. Richard Feynman is dead, so his wouldn't work.

You KNOW my real name and have POSTED IT here on SED. Now, claim that you DON'T know my name, fucker.

>
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> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 2:12:10 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:34:16 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:54:35 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:28:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:43:38 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> <snip>
> > > > I don't have to do SHIT, Bozo - YOU are the one that made this false claim, so it is up to YOU to back it up, but you CAN'T!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > You are the one that invented that false claim - I never made it. It's like your claim to be a licensed pilot - it's implausible, and you've never even tried to prove it, so scepticism is appropriate, but this isn't the same as explicitly claiming that you weren't once a licensed pilot or a published author.
> > >
> > ABSOLUTELY NOT, BOZO!
> >
> > YOU are the one that I have not authored any professional papers. This is FALSE.
> >
> > YOU claim I don't have a pilot's license, which is EASILY VERIFIABLE, but you REFUSE to do it because you will be PROVEN TO BE A LIAR!!! You KNOW MY NAME - search the FAA's records and you WILL FIND IT, BOZO!!!! Report back with what you found, dirtbag.
> Really? I don't actually know your name. You might have accidentally posted it here once, but I've forgotten exactly what it was.
> > > You'd have to tell us a real name and provide a link to a paper published under that name before you could even get to first base, and we'd then have the problem of working out whether the real name was your real name. Richard Feynman is dead, so his wouldn't work.
> >
> > You KNOW my real name and have POSTED IT here on SED. Now, claim that you DON'T know my name, fucker.
> I might have got it right once. I've clearly forgotten it since then.

A clear sign of senility AND stupidity because you could search for it

>
> If you wan to be taken seriously you have to post it here in full with links to the register of current pilot licenses, and a link to the article you claim to have published in an identifiable peer-reviewed journal. You might also identify the tertiary institution that you claim gave you your engineering degree.

No, it is YOU that made the claims, so it is up to YOU to prove them, not me to disprove them, fool. The ONLY people I have to prove that to is my insurance company.
>
> I've done all of that - bar the pilot's license, which was too expensive for me when I might have been interested in getting one.
>
> You won't, because you are an anonymous troll who relies on unsubstantiated and mostly false assertions.

Hey Bozo, thanks to you, I AM NOT anonymous and YOU KNOW IT (so that statement IS FALSE)! It is UP TO YOU to PROVE what you claim to be false ACTUALLY is false.

>
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> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 7:41:53 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:20:48 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 2:12:10 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:34:16 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:54:35 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:28:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:43:38 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
>
> <snip>
> > > If you wan to be taken seriously you have to post it here in full with links to the register of current pilot licenses, and a link to the article you claim to have published in an identifiable peer-reviewed journal. You might also identify the tertiary institution that you claim gave you your engineering degree.
> > No, it is YOU that made the claims, so it is up to YOU to prove them, not me to disprove them, fool. The ONLY people I have to prove that to is my insurance company.
> > >
> > > I've done all of that - bar the pilot's license, which was too expensive for me when I might have been interested in getting one.
> > >
> > > You won't, because you are an anonymous troll who relies on unsubstantiated and mostly false assertions.
> >
> > Hey Bozo, thanks to you, I AM NOT anonymous and YOU KNOW IT (so that statement IS FALSE)! It is UP TO YOU to PROVE what you claim to be false ACTUALLY is false.
> You are posting as "Flyguy", so you are an anonymous troll. You may have leaked your real name, but not enough information for us to link this with an actual person. even if we wanted to.
>
> Your problem is that you have exposed enough of your obnoxious and stupid personality that I'm not in the least interested in learning any more about you.

Your actions say the opposite, Bozo.

I get a certain amount of pleasure out pointing out exactly how stupid and obnoxious you are, and this does reduce the risk that other people will take you seriously, so it is probably worth doing, but this isn't taking you all that seriously. You are clearly a trivial flake.

Hey, YOU are the one who couldn't spell "STUPD" or YOUR OWN NAME.

>
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> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:33:20 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:46:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 7:41:53 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:20:48 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 2:12:10 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 6:34:16 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:54:35 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:28:30 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:56:33 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:43:38 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:44:38 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:32:04 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > > If you wan to be taken seriously you have to post it here in full with links to the register of current pilot licenses, and a link to the article you claim to have published in an identifiable peer-reviewed journal. You might also identify the tertiary institution that you claim gave you your engineering degree.
> > > > No, it is YOU that made the claims, so it is up to YOU to prove them, not me to disprove them, fool. The ONLY people I have to prove that to is my insurance company.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've done all of that - bar the pilot's license, which was too expensive for me when I might have been interested in getting one.
> > > > >
> > > > > You won't, because you are an anonymous troll who relies on unsubstantiated and mostly false assertions.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Bozo, thanks to you, I AM NOT anonymous and YOU KNOW IT (so that statement IS FALSE)! It is UP TO YOU to PROVE what you claim to be false ACTUALLY is false.
> > >
> > > You are posting as "Flyguy", so you are an anonymous troll. You may have leaked your real name, but not enough information for us to link this with an actual person. even if we wanted to.
> > >
> > > Your problem is that you have exposed enough of your obnoxious and stupid personality that I'm not in the least interested in learning any more about you.
> >
> > Your actions say the opposite, Bozo.
> Name one.

You are obsessed with me - go review your OWN POSTS!

> > I get a certain amount of pleasure out pointing out exactly how stupid and obnoxious you are, and this does reduce the risk that other people will take you seriously, so it is probably worth doing, but this isn't taking you all that seriously. You are clearly a trivial flake.
> >
> > Hey, YOU are the one who couldn't spell "STUPD" or YOUR OWN NAME.
> I make typos from time to time, and while I check for them I don't catch all of them. You have exactly the same problem, somewhat compounded by total stupidity.

That IS a sign of stupidity, Bozo. And, NO, I can spell my own name, unlike you.

>
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> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney