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 by: John Larkin - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 21:45 UTC

LT Spice, Dflop:

I can set VHIGH = 5 and that works.

But if I add TRISE = 500p then VHIGH reverts to 1 volt.

And incidentally, what's the difference between Spice Line 1 and
Spice Line 2? TRISE on either breaks VHIGH.

Building a pseurandom bit stream generator is too much work, but it's
easy to clock random junk into a flop.

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 22:52 UTC

lørdag den 17. september 2022 kl. 23.45.50 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> LT Spice, Dflop:
>
> I can set VHIGH = 5 and that works.
>
> But if I add TRISE = 500p then VHIGH reverts to 1 volt.
>

works just fine,

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 by: John Larkin - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 23:45 UTC

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:52:34 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>lørdag den 17. september 2022 kl. 23.45.50 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
>> LT Spice, Dflop:
>>
>> I can set VHIGH = 5 and that works.
>>
>> But if I add TRISE = 500p then VHIGH reverts to 1 volt.
>>
>
>works just fine,
>
>Version 4
>SHEET 1 880 680
>WIRE 304 48 64 48
>WIRE 64 160 64 48
>WIRE 96 160 64 160
>WIRE 96 208 -112 208
>WIRE 304 208 304 48
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>WIRE -112 240 -112 208
>WIRE -112 400 -112 320
>FLAG -112 400 0
>SYMBOL Digital\\dflop 176 112 R0
>WINDOW 3 156 69 Left 2
>SYMATTR InstName A1
>SYMATTR Value VHIGH=5,TRISE=10m

I tried commas, no help.

DFLOP is weird. I had rout=1m, and that messed it up. With rout=0.1,
it's OK.

The flop output with trise=700p has a soft corner. A pulsed voltage
source with the same specified rise time is sharp.

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