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 by: Jan Panteltje - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:11 UTC

Best thermal paste tests:
https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

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 by: Don - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 14:02 UTC

Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Best thermal paste tests:
> https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

Do they try to deceive when they price their top pick by the gram? On
average, how many CPUs will five grams cover?
They also low ball the $20.46 plus shipping price available at
newegg. Maybe it all works out for a guy who builds one or two PCs a
year. In my particular case, this is a better bargain:

<https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Laird-Performance-Materials/A15028-01>

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
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 by: Don - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 14:11 UTC

(Revised to fix broken Mouser link.)

Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Best thermal paste tests:
> https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

Do they try to deceive when they price their top pick by the gram? On
average, how many CPUs will five grams cover?
They also low ball the $20.46 plus shipping price available at
newegg. Maybe it all works out for a guy who builds one or two PCs a
year. In my particular case, this is a better bargain:

<https://www.laird.com/products/thermal-interface-materials/thermal-grease/tgrease-880/a15028-01>

If you look very closely, you can see three white tubs next to the big
silver can. Mouser sells a small white tub of grease for $155.85.

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

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 by: John Larkin - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:34 UTC

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:11:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
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>Best thermal paste tests:
> https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

It doesn't sound like they tested thermal conductivity. They probably
believed claims.

The Dow Corning is rated 2.5 w/mk, which is the only one I believe.

This sounds like a weird gamer cult.

https://www.thermalmgt.com/liquid-metal-thermal-paste/

"Liquid metal thermal paste is a mix of alloys which are called
Galinstan. Major mixtures include indium, tritium and ion."

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:59 UTC

On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:34:55 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<f101jh9brmgl0m7asqqvrig4p9skb9ua02@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:11:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Best thermal paste tests:
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
>
>It doesn't sound like they tested thermal conductivity. They probably
>believed claims.
>
>The Dow Corning is rated 2.5 w/mk, which is the only one I believe.
>
>This sounds like a weird gamer cult.
>
>https://www.thermalmgt.com/liquid-metal-thermal-paste/
>
>"Liquid metal thermal paste is a mix of alloys which are called
>Galinstan. Major mixtures include indium, tritium and ion."

Yes, 'tritium' based thermal paste? I would not want it around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/tri_pic/

I have a nice tritium light in the shower..
enough light to see when it is dark...
http://panteltje.com/pub/tritium_light_all_img_3242.jpg

And 'ion' ?? makes no sense.
If you scroll down to 'Composition' it shows something different
Gallium Indium Tin and Zinc..

So do not believe everything written
well some thing anyways:
https://www.rt.com/news/563489-cia-75-anniversary-history/

:-)
Yea!!
He was just a pawn in their game....

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 19:25 UTC

søndag den 25. september 2022 kl. 18.35.06 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:11:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Best thermal paste tests:
> > https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
> It doesn't sound like they tested thermal conductivity. They probably
> believed claims.
>
> The Dow Corning is rated 2.5 w/mk, which is the only one I believe.
>
> This sounds like a weird gamer cult.
>
> https://www.thermalmgt.com/liquid-metal-thermal-paste/
>
> "Liquid metal thermal paste is a mix of alloys which are called
> Galinstan. Major mixtures include indium, tritium and ion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galinstan 16.5 w/mk

but it eats aluminium so you need to use a copper heatsink or heatspreder

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 by: Decadent...@decadence.org - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 20:32 UTC

"Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20220925b@crcomp.net:

> (Revised to fix broken Mouser link.)
>
> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Best thermal paste tests:
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
>
> Do they try to deceive when they price their top pick by the gram?
> On average, how many CPUs will five grams cover?
> They also low ball the $20.46 plus shipping price available at
> newegg. Maybe it all works out for a guy who builds one or two PCs
> a year. In my particular case, this is a better bargain:
>
> <https://www.laird.com/products/thermal-interface-materials/thermal
> -grease/tgrease-880/a15028-01>
>
> If you look very closely, you can see three white tubs next to the
> big silver can. Mouser sells a small white tub of grease for
> $155.85.

The 'paste' used by chip makers to attach their dies to the chip
substrate media is most commonly a Silver filled conductive epoxy.

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 by: John Larkin - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 20:36 UTC

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>søndag den 25. september 2022 kl. 18.35.06 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:11:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Best thermal paste tests:
>> > https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
>> It doesn't sound like they tested thermal conductivity. They probably
>> believed claims.
>>
>> The Dow Corning is rated 2.5 w/mk, which is the only one I believe.
>>
>> This sounds like a weird gamer cult.
>>
>> https://www.thermalmgt.com/liquid-metal-thermal-paste/
>>
>> "Liquid metal thermal paste is a mix of alloys which are called
>> Galinstan. Major mixtures include indium, tritium and ion."
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galinstan 16.5 w/mk
>
>but it eats aluminium so you need to use a copper heatsink or heatspreder

Some of the stuff in the Teds list claim 70 w/mk.

Metal alloys have bad thermal and electrical conductivity. A CPU
against a very flat copper heat sink probably doesn't benefit much
from an exotic thermal paste. The important thing for a filler
compound is good flow and small grain size.

The universal 16.5 number is suspect too. People probably copied
people on that one. Real w/mk measurements wouldn't be all the same.

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 by: Decadent...@decadence.org - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 20:47 UTC

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
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> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt
> Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
>>s�ndag den 25. september 2022 kl. 18.35.06 UTC+2 skrev John
>>Larkin:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 08:11:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Best thermal paste tests:
>>> > https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste
>>> It doesn't sound like they tested thermal conductivity. They
>>> probably believed claims.
>>>
>>> The Dow Corning is rated 2.5 w/mk, which is the only one I
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> This sounds like a weird gamer cult.
>>>
>>> https://www.thermalmgt.com/liquid-metal-thermal-paste/
>>>
>>> "Liquid metal thermal paste is a mix of alloys which are called
>>> Galinstan. Major mixtures include indium, tritium and ion."
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galinstan 16.5 w/mk
>>
>>but it eats aluminium so you need to use a copper heatsink or
>>heatspreder
>
> Some of the stuff in the Teds list claim 70 w/mk.
>
> Metal alloys have bad thermal and electrical conductivity. A CPU
> against a very flat copper heat sink probably doesn't benefit much
> from an exotic thermal paste. The important thing for a filler
> compound is good flow and small grain size.
>
> The universal 16.5 number is suspect too. People probably copied
> people on that one. Real w/mk measurements wouldn't be all the
> same.

Two planar sutfaces mated and utilizing ANY 'thermal paste' of ANY
nature does little because it ONLY fills out the non-planar voids,
which should be a small number tostart with. Paste is for folks who
do not know how to design, much les implement precision sink-to-
device mating scenarios, which a mass produced product may or may bot
exhibit. It all comes down to the quality of that mated pair and the
process which manufactures such matings in an automated production
environment. Perfectly planar devices and sinks used on prefectly
planar scenarios can almost be used the same way two quartz surfaces
can meld when mated. Remember, the paste is only there to fill the
relatively tiny voids encountered in a mass produced product.

Onesy twosy items can be handled individually by assembly folks.
But those days are gone. Not much is out there for custom setups.

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