From the National Hurricane Center forecast:

1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!

2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)

3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.

Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.

That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>
>1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>
>2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>
>3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>
>Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>
>That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>
>https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents

The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
wall to keep people out?

Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.

But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.

People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
Change.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:14:36 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>
>>1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>
>>2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>
>>3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>
>>Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>
>>That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>
>>https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>
>The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>wall to keep people out?
>
>Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
>insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
>blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>
>But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
>storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
>Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
>
>Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
>blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
>just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Camille#/media/File:Richeliu_Apartments_After_Camille.jpg

google images: Hurricane Camille

1969.

On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>
>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>
>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>
>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>
>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>
>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>
>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>
> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
> wall to keep people out?

They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
space:

<https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>

> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>
> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)

My late father remembered the unnamed 1938 hurricane:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane>

and The Ladies from Hell:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carol_(1953)>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Edna>

They were "only" cat 3.

My first was Gloria:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Gloria>

She put a large tree down on the house and the upper limbs neatly
through my parent's bedroom windows, fortunately unoccupied at the time.

> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
>
> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
>
> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
> Change.

The worst is definitely yet to come

On 9/28/2022 12:28 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>
>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>
>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>
>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding
>>> throughout storm track.  Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts
>>> of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm
>>> drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>
>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump
>>> record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification
>>> in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes
>>> preparedness challenging.
>>>
>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in
>>> the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against
>>> the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>
>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>
>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>> wall to keep people out?
>
>
> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
> space:
>
> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>
>> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
>> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
>> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>>
>> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
>> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
>> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
>
>
> My late father remembered the unnamed 1938 hurricane:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane>
>
> and The Ladies from Hell:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carol_(1953)>

Oops, it was the 1954 Carol, not '53:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carol>

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
> >
> >1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
> >
> >2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
> >
> >3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
> >
> >Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
> >
> >That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
> >
> >https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
> wall to keep people out?
>
> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>
> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
>
> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
>
> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
>
> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
> Change.

You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>> >
>> >1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>> >
>> >2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>> >
>> >3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>> >
>> >Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>> >
>> >That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>> >
>> >https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>> wall to keep people out?
>>
>> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
>> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
>> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>>
>> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
>> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
>> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
>>
>> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
>> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
>> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
>>
>> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
>>
>> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
>> Change.
>
>You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.

"Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
increase."

"The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."

So try to relax. Design something.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>
>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>
>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>
>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>
>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>
>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>
>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>
>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>> wall to keep people out?
>
>
>They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>space:
>
><https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>

"Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
percent state sales tax rate"

"Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
payment here is $4,339."

It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
compete for people and businesses.

Of course, they have to compete with China too.

On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>>
>>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>>
>>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>>
>>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>>
>>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>>
>>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>>
>>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>>> wall to keep people out?
>>
>>
>> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>> space:
>>
>> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>
> "Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
> ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
> 7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
> percent state sales tax rate"
>
> "Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
> the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
> the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
> payment here is $4,339."

And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

> It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
> compete for people and businesses.

Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it's Muslims or
Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

The GOP plan seems to be to try to make Sharia law federal to even the
playing field.

But nationwide abortion bans strikes me as the definition of "can't
enforce."

> Of course, they have to compete with China too.

The left warned against outsourcing our industry there well before it
was "cool." But the left didn't tend to put the racist spin on the idea
that was the key to making the idea popular among lots of Americans.

On 9/29/2022 9:07 AM, bitrex wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding
>>>>> throughout storm track.  Ian is projected to produce rainfall
>>>>> amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda
>>>>> HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump
>>>>> record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record
>>>>> intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours-
>>>>> which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>>>
>>>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people
>>>>> in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up
>>>>> against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>>>
>>>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>>>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>>>> wall to keep people out?
>>>
>>>
>>> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>>> space:
>>>
>>> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>>
>> "Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
>> ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
>> 7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
>> percent state sales tax rate"
>>
>> "Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
>> the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
>> the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
>> payment here is $4,339."
>
> And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

Granted being the size of a postage stamp probably helps. Streets and
cars and stores in the city of Providence tend to be 3/4th scale, my
favorite bar only has 6 stools.

On 29/09/2022 15:07, bitrex wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:

>> It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
>> compete for people and businesses.
>
> Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it's Muslims or
> Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
> to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.
>
> The GOP plan seems to be to try to make Sharia law federal to even the
> playing field.
>
> But nationwide abortion bans strikes me as the definition of "can't
> enforce."
>
Bans on abortion are always unenforceable. All you can do is ban /safe/
abortions, and even then the ban only applies to poor people.

On 9/29/2022 9:47 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 29/09/2022 15:07, bitrex wrote:
>> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
>>> It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
>>> compete for people and businesses.
>>
>> Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it's Muslims or
>> Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people
>> tend to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.
>>
>> The GOP plan seems to be to try to make Sharia law federal to even the
>> playing field.
>>
>> But nationwide abortion bans strikes me as the definition of "can't
>> enforce."
>>
> Bans on abortion are always unenforceable.  All you can do is ban /safe/
> abortions, and even then the ban only applies to poor people.
>

Though definitely not as much as the poor, American law enforcement is
on average definitely stupid enough to kick in the doors and shoot the
daughters of powerful people sometimes, also.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
> >> >
> >> >1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
> >> >
> >> >2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
> >> >
> >> >3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
> >> >
> >> >Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
> >> >
> >> >That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
> >> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
> >> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
> >> wall to keep people out?
> >>
> >> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
> >> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
> >> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
> >>
> >> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
> >> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
> >> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
> >>
> >> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
> >> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
> >> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
> >>
> >> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
> >>
> >> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
> >> Change.
> >
> >You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
> https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/
>
> Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.
>
> "Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
> compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
> increase."
>
> "The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
> landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
> beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."
>
>
> So try to relax. Design something.

Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can't make sense of anything.

They're now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860

Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the "devastation <smirk>."

The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn't include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can't handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn't. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>>>
>>>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>>>
>>>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>>>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>>>> wall to keep people out?
>>>
>>>
>>> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>>> space:
>>>
>>> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>>
>> "Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
>> ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
>> 7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
>> percent state sales tax rate"
>>
>> "Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
>> the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
>> the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
>> payment here is $4,339."
>
>And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!
>
>> It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
>> compete for people and businesses.
>
>Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it's Muslims or
>Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
>to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.

Do the Germans and French and Danes live under Sharia law?

If people who want babies migrate to Nebraska, and people who don't
want babies move to Massachusetts, Nebraska will eventually get more
seats in Congress and win all the Little League games.

That's called "evolution." Beasts that don't breed die out.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>> >> >
>> >> >1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>> >> >
>> >> >2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>> >> >
>> >> >3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>> >> >
>> >> >Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>> >> >
>> >> >That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>> >> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>> >> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>> >> wall to keep people out?
>> >>
>> >> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
>> >> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
>> >> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>> >>
>> >> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
>> >> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
>> >> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
>> >>
>> >> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
>> >> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
>> >> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
>> >>
>> >> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
>> >>
>> >> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
>> >> Change.
>> >
>> >You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
>> https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/
>>
>> Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.
>>
>> "Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
>> compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
>> increase."
>>
>> "The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
>> landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
>> beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."
>>
>>
>> So try to relax. Design something.
>
>Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can't make sense of anything.

NOAA.gov, with data. Weather is their science.

>
>They're now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.
>
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860

ABC news. Hysteria is their business.

>
>Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the "devastation <smirk>."
>
>The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn't include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can't handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn't. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.

Check Google Earth. Around that area, there are giant tracts of
ranch-style houses within walking distance of the beach (even
wheelchair and golf cart distance) along streets that are 3 feet above
sea level. With, no doubt, Federal flood insurance.

The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
that have rocks.

The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
liquid nitrogen.

We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
those rocks out there?

I grew up at local high altitude, 3 feet above sea level. My old house
didn't flood in Betsy, but it did in Katrina.

On 9/29/2022 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>>>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>>>>
>>>>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>>>>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>>>>> wall to keep people out?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>>>> space:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>>>
>>> "Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
>>> ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
>>> 7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
>>> percent state sales tax rate"
>>>
>>> "Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
>>> the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
>>> the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
>>> payment here is $4,339."
>>
>> And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!
>>
>>> It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
>>> compete for people and businesses.
>>
>> Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it's Muslims or
>> Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
>> to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.
>
> Do the Germans and French and Danes live under Sharia law?

IDK, do they? Abortion is legal in those places AFAIK.

> If people who want babies migrate to Nebraska, and people who don't
> want babies move to Massachusetts, Nebraska will eventually get more
> seats in Congress and win all the Little League games.

I mis-typed "Nebraska", I meant to say Kansas, which is where the
citizens rejected a proposed amendment banning abortion in the state.

But Americans move around all the time for reasons sensible & not. It
wasn't long ago that Massachusetts was far more conservative than it is
now and it might be again, who knows.

> That's called "evolution." Beasts that don't breed die out.
>

#GlobalWarmingisfakebyfools

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
> >> >> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
> >> >> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
> >> >> wall to keep people out?
> >> >>
> >> >> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
> >> >> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
> >> >> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
> >> >>
> >> >> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
> >> >> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
> >> >> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
> >> >> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
> >> >> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
> >> >>
> >> >> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
> >> >>
> >> >> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
> >> >> Change.
> >> >
> >> >You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
> >> https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/
> >>
> >> Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.
> >>
> >> "Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
> >> compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
> >> increase."
> >>
> >> "The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
> >> landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
> >> beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."
> >>
> >>
> >> So try to relax. Design something.
> >
> >Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can't make sense of anything.
> NOAA.gov, with data. Weather is their science.
> >
> >They're now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.
> >
> >https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860
> ABC news. Hysteria is their business.
> >
> >Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the "devastation <smirk>."
> >
> >The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn't include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can't handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn't. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.
> Check Google Earth. Around that area, there are giant tracts of
> ranch-style houses within walking distance of the beach (even
> wheelchair and golf cart distance) along streets that are 3 feet above
> sea level. With, no doubt, Federal flood insurance.
>
> The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
> in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
> that have rocks.
>
> The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
> Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
> liquid nitrogen.
>
> We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
> those rocks out there?

The glaciers scraped them up all throughout the northeast. Rocks are called stones there. When you get into New England there are stone walls everywhere. The originals had to pick up enough stones to clear any kind of space for agricultural use and made endless stonewalls, maybe 3-4 ft high and variable thickness depending on how much they had to get out the way- stones fit loosely and not exactly a stonemason masterpiece. And there is an abundance of stone outcroppings all over the place that can't be removed- too big-, but not so much you can't make a good pasture or orchard. Stones were excellent for building foundations, chimneys, retaining walls, footpaths, dams, root cellars, land reclamation fill, even whole structures -rarely. And where there's a bunch of stone on the surface, you don't have go too deep to hit bedrock. That bodes well for making big heavy solid structures you don't want to settle or move. The downside is nearly any kind of structural excavation requires some blasting be done.

>
> I grew up at local high altitude, 3 feet above sea level. My old house
> didn't flood in Betsy, but it did in Katrina.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>>>
>>>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>>>
>>>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>>>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>>>> wall to keep people out?
>>>
>>>
>>> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>>> space:
>>>
>>> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>>
>> "Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
>> ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
>> 7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
>> percent state sales tax rate"
>>
>> "Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
>> the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
>> the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
>> payment here is $4,339."
>
>And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!

"Federal Money" is just our money used at around 40% efficiency. Maybe
30.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:15:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 9/29/2022 11:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:07:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:28:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/2022 12:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>>>>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>>>>>> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>>>>>> wall to keep people out?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They can go all the way south to Rhode Island with $14/SQFT/year office
>>>>> space:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/191-Social-St-Woonsocket-RI/17188380/>
>>>>
>>>> "Rhode Island has a graduated individual income tax, with rates
>>>> ranging from 3.75 percent to 5.99 percent. Rhode Island also has a
>>>> 7.00 percent corporate income tax rate. Rhode Island has a 7.00
>>>> percent state sales tax rate"
>>>>
>>>> "Rhode Island has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., as
>>>> the state carries an average effective rate of 1.53%. That comes in as
>>>> the tenth highest rate in the country. The median annual property tax
>>>> payment here is $4,339."
>>>
>>> And still less dependent on Federal money than 20 other states!
>>>
>>>> It's cool that the USA is a federation of states. That makes them
>>>> compete for people and businesses.
>>>
>>> Not many people like living under Sharia law, whether it's Muslims or
>>> Christians who implement it. When given the opportunity the people tend
>>> to reject it as often as not, e.g. Nebraska.
>>
>> Do the Germans and French and Danes live under Sharia law?
>
>IDK, do they? Abortion is legal in those places AFAIK.

You might look it up.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:36:03 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:32:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >From the National Hurricane Center forecast:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >1. ***catastrophic*** storm surge inundation of 12-18 feet!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >2. ***catastrophic*** wind damage ( 130MPH *sustained* right now)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >3. ***catastrophic*** rainfall to cause *considerable* flooding throughout storm track. Ian is projected to produce rainfall amounts of up to 24 inches in west central Florida. That's kinda HUGE- storm drain system might as well not even exist.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Global warming not only makes these storms pack more punch and dump record amounts of rain, but also they exhibit record intensification in relatively short time spans of 12-24 hours- which makes preparedness challenging.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >That jackass area of the country (Tampa) has added 350,000 people in the past 10 years and is packing all their residentials up against the coastline- everyone wants an ocean view apparently.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/095758.shtml?key_messages#contents
>> >> >> The jackass places are New York and Massachusetts and California who
>> >> >> are driving out people and companies with assets. Should Tampa build a
>> >> >> wall to keep people out?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nobody is forcing people to live near the coast, and federal flood
>> >> >> insurance helps them do it. If the tide surge arrives before the wind
>> >> >> blows their house away, they can claim flood damage.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But there have been far worse hurricanes, like the great Galveston
>> >> >> storm of 1900, which killed 5-10K people. I lived through the eye of
>> >> >> Betsy (bigger) and was close to Camille (220 mph winds in Gulfport.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Camille scoured buildings clean off the coast - just slabs left - and
>> >> >> blew big ships miles inland. Beautiful old platation mansions were
>> >> >> just sides and roof, everything inside blown out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate
>> >> >> Change.
>> >> >
>> >> >You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
>> >> https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/
>> >>
>> >> Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.
>> >>
>> >> "Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
>> >> compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
>> >> increase."
>> >>
>> >> "The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
>> >> landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
>> >> beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So try to relax. Design something.
>> >
>> >Whoever wrote that article is a babbling idiot that can't make sense of anything.
>> NOAA.gov, with data. Weather is their science.
>> >
>> >They're now saying the flooding there is at the 1000 year event level.
>> >
>> >https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-ian/?id=90445860
>> ABC news. Hysteria is their business.
>> >
>> >Notice they focus on garden shed type of construction to emphasize the "devastation <smirk>."
>> >
>> >The new steel connectorized (so-called) construction from the last 10 years or so should easily handle 140 MPH winds- that assessment doesn't include the less-than-wonderful Latino immigrant-built mobile housing. What it can't handle is flooding and being stuck and penetrated by objects flying through the air at 100 MPH. Nobody told the people to stow items that could become flying debris, so they didn't. Looks like a total lack of preparedness on the part of the residents to me. And the idea they discovered moving water can be powerful- is beyond the pale of ignorance.
>> Check Google Earth. Around that area, there are giant tracts of
>> ranch-style houses within walking distance of the beach (even
>> wheelchair and golf cart distance) along streets that are 3 feet above
>> sea level. With, no doubt, Federal flood insurance.
>>
>> The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
>> in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
>> that have rocks.
>>
>> The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
>> Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
>> liquid nitrogen.
>>
>> We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
>> those rocks out there?
>
>The glaciers scraped them up all throughout the northeast. Rocks are called stones there. When you get into New England there are stone walls everywhere. The originals had to pick up enough stones to clear any kind of space for agricultural use and made endless stonewalls, maybe 3-4 ft high and variable thickness depending on how much they had to get out the way- stones fit loosely and not exactly a stonemason masterpiece. And there is an abundance of stone outcroppings all over the place that can't be removed- too big-, but not so much you can't make a good pasture or orchard. Stones were excellent for building foundations, chimneys, retaining walls, footpaths, dams, root cellars, land reclamation fill, even whole structures -rarely. And where there's a bunch of stone on the surface, you don't have go too deep to hit bedrock. That bodes well for making big heavy solid structures you don't want to settle or move. The downside is nearly any kind of structural excavation requires some
>blasting be done.
>
>

Nonsense. Rocks come down the Mississippi river in barges, from rock
factories.

On 9/29/2022 1:56 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
>> in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
>> that have rocks.
>>
>> The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
>> Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
>> liquid nitrogen.
>>
>> We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
>> those rocks out there?
>
> The glaciers scraped them up all throughout the northeast. Rocks are called stones there. When you get into New England there are stone walls everywhere. The originals had to pick up enough stones to clear any kind of space for agricultural use and made endless stonewalls, maybe 3-4 ft high and variable thickness depending on how much they had to get out the way- stones fit loosely and not exactly a stonemason masterpiece. And there is an abundance of stone outcroppings all over the place that can't be removed- too big-, but not so much you can't make a good pasture or orchard. Stones were excellent for building foundations, chimneys, retaining walls, footpaths, dams, root cellars, land reclamation fill, even whole structures -rarely. And where there's a bunch of stone on the surface, you don't have go too deep to hit bedrock. That bodes well for making big heavy solid structures you don't want to settle or move. The downside is nearly any kind of structural excavation requires some blasting be done.

Not uncommon to run across huge glacial erratics 3 to 4 meters tall
probably weighing like 500 tons sitting in the woods here, or off in a
corner of a subdivision, too big for anyone to do anything with and so
just hanging out where the ice left them ever since.
Most of woods are secondary forest, early settlers cleared this area out
for orchards and pasture but many moved on circa 200 years ago, see e.g.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer>
and as I recall the 1830s were also a lousy time for agriculture in New
England, many farmers moved west and so it's had a lot of time to grow back.
Some crackpot many years ago (like in the 80s or 90s I think it was)
came up with the theory that all the stone walls in the woods around
here weren't actually built by human farmers but were natural formations
caused by "frost heaves."

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:45:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:32:57 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> > >> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
> > >>
> > >> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate Change.
> Probably correctly.
> > >You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
> >
> > https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/
> >
> > Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.
> >
> > "Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
> > compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
> > increase."
> >
> > "The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
> > landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
> > beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."
> That rather ignores the point that global warming makes tropical storms more intense, rather than more frequent.

Where is your scientific proof of that? You CLAIM things like that, but FAIL to back them up with ANY peer-reviewed references.

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 10:31:29 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 9/29/2022 1:56 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>
> >> The population along the Florida Gulf coast is up something like 7:1
> >> in the last 50 years. Lots of Yankee immigrants who grew up in places
> >> that have rocks.
> >>
> >> The first time I traveled away from New Orleans, it was a trip to Bell
> >> Labs in Murray Hill NJ. I saw what was probably the first LED, IR in
> >> liquid nitrogen.
> >>
> >> We were in a bus. I looked out the window and wondered, who put all
> >> those rocks out there?
> >
> > The glaciers scraped them up all throughout the northeast. Rocks are called stones there. When you get into New England there are stone walls everywhere. The originals had to pick up enough stones to clear any kind of space for agricultural use and made endless stonewalls, maybe 3-4 ft high and variable thickness depending on how much they had to get out the way- stones fit loosely and not exactly a stonemason masterpiece. And there is an abundance of stone outcroppings all over the place that can't be removed- too big-, but not so much you can't make a good pasture or orchard. Stones were excellent for building foundations, chimneys, retaining walls, footpaths, dams, root cellars, land reclamation fill, even whole structures -rarely. And where there's a bunch of stone on the surface, you don't have go too deep to hit bedrock. That bodes well for making big heavy solid structures you don't want to settle or move. The downside is nearly any kind of structural excavation requires some blasting be done.
> Not uncommon to run across huge glacial erratics 3 to 4 meters tall
> probably weighing like 500 tons sitting in the woods here, or off in a
> corner of a subdivision, too big for anyone to do anything with and so
> just hanging out where the ice left them ever since.
>
> Most of woods are secondary forest, early settlers cleared this area out
> for orchards and pasture but many moved on circa 200 years ago, see e.g.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer>
>
> and as I recall the 1830s were also a lousy time for agriculture in New
> England, many farmers moved west and so it's had a lot of time to grow back.

Every year was a lousy year in that craggy ice cube of a place. When the Northwest Territory opened up they really booked. The crummy inhospitable New England countryside was all but abandoned.

This is about right from my other readings which I'm not going to hunt down:

http://www.usgennet.org/family/bliss/states/migrate.htm

Just look at all those illegal immigrants from western Europe swarm into the place like they own it.

>
> Some crackpot many years ago (like in the 80s or 90s I think it was)
> came up with the theory that all the stone walls in the woods around
> here weren't actually built by human farmers but were natural formations
> caused by "frost heaves."

And all those old cemeteries all over the place, some very remote and situated in overgrown woods, all of which date back to the early 17th century...just fakes I suppose.

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:18:37 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:45:30 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:32:57 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > > >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > >> The most intense hurricane on record is the 1935 Labor Day storm.
> > > >>
> > > >> People think recent stuff is always the worst. And blame Climate Change.
> > Probably correctly.
> > > >You'll know it's global warming when instead of waiting decades for the next super-storm, it shows up the next hurricane season, and the season following that, and so on.
> > >
> > > https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/
> > >
> > > Before satellites - and before radio - many storms were just missed.
> > >
> > > "Thus the historical tropical storm count record does not provide
> > > compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term
> > > increase."
> > >
> > > "The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S.
> > > landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend
> > > beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s (Figure 3, yellow curves)."
> > That rather ignores the point that global warming makes tropical storms more intense, rather than more frequent.
> Where is your scientific proof of that? You CLAIM things like that, but FAIL to back them up with ANY peer-reviewed references.

Uh-huh. I don't see Florida turning down all that handout money from Lyin' Biden, no siree.