Carnage...and we haven't seen the last of it.

Life expectancy in Latin America and the Caribbean decreased from 75.1 years in 2019 to 72.2 in 2021, a decline of 2.9 years. In North America, expected lifespan dropped from 79.5 years in 2019 to 77.7 in 2021, or by 1.8 years.

The most vulnerable people took a huge hit to make those meta-statistics budge by that much...

The number of vaccines administered to children has fallen dramatically, with routine complete immunization for the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine falling 3.6% between 2019 and 2021 (from 84% to 81%). Complete uptake of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine declined from 75% to 68%, or 9.3%.

Notably, the authors of the report suggest the disruption in health services led to 1.7 million unplanned pregnancies, resulting in nearly 800,000 abortions, 2,900 maternal deaths, and nearly 39,000 infant deaths, representing a setback equivalent to 20 to 30 years of progress in this field.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/09/report-covid-19-has-lowered-lifespan-across-americas

This is PAHO, author of report:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Health_Organization

On a sunny day (Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:54:56 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<13c6e8d3-9a71-47ba-8b7d-e31ee3aceeb1n@googlegroups.com>:

>Carnage...and we haven't seen the last of it.
>
>Life expectancy in Latin America and the Caribbean decreased from 75.1 years
>in 2019 to 72.2 in 2021, a decline of 2.9 years. In North America, expected
>lifespan dropped from 79.5 years in 2019 to 77.7 in 2021, or by 1.8 years.
>
>The
>most vulnerable people took a huge hit to make those meta-statistics budge
>by that much...
>
> The number of vaccines administered to children has fallen dramatically, with
>routine complete immunization for the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis
>vaccine falling 3.6% between 2019 and 2021 (from 84% to 81%). Complete uptake
>of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine declined from 75% to 68%, or
>9.3%.
>
>Notably, the authors of the report suggest the disruption in health services
>led to 1.7 million unplanned pregnancies, resulting in nearly 800,000 abortions,
>2,900 maternal deaths, and nearly 39,000 infant deaths, representing
>a setback equivalent to 20 to 30 years of progress in this field.
>
>https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/09/report-covid-19-has-lowered-lifespan-across-americas
>
>This
>is PAHO, author of report:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Health_Organization

Decrease in US standard of living:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country
US dropped even further, Netehrlands way up in the top now.

And after the nuking ... ?
Maybe down under cleaner air?

On 2022/09/27 6:54 p.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
> Carnage...and we haven't seen the last of it.
>
> Life expectancy in Latin America and the Caribbean decreased from 75.1 years in 2019 to 72.2 in 2021, a decline of 2.9 years. In North America, expected lifespan dropped from 79.5 years in 2019 to 77.7 in 2021, or by 1.8 years.

North America? Perhaps the report hadn't heard of Canada (the bigger
country in NA) - life expectancy in males as of 2019 was 80 and females
84.2 years:

https://canadapopulation.org/canada-life-expectancy/

Of course we have a universal health care system here (and yes, there
are problems with it) and perhaps that didn't fit with the authors story...

There was a drop during Covid, but nothing like what happened south of
our shared border.

John :-#(#

>
> The most vulnerable people took a huge hit to make those meta-statistics budge by that much...
>
> The number of vaccines administered to children has fallen dramatically, with routine complete immunization for the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine falling 3.6% between 2019 and 2021 (from 84% to 81%). Complete uptake of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine declined from 75% to 68%, or 9.3%.
>
> Notably, the authors of the report suggest the disruption in health services led to 1.7 million unplanned pregnancies, resulting in nearly 800,000 abortions, 2,900 maternal deaths, and nearly 39,000 infant deaths, representing a setback equivalent to 20 to 30 years of progress in this field.
>
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/09/report-covid-19-has-lowered-lifespan-across-americas
>
> This is PAHO, author of report:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Health_Organization

On 9/27/22 22:43, John Robertson wrote:
> North America? Perhaps the report hadn't heard of Canada (the bigger
> country in NA) - life expectancy in males as of 2019 was 80 and
> females 84.2 years:
>
> https://canadapopulation.org/canada-life-expectancy/

What does the caption below the first picture mean?

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:44:04 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2022/09/27 6:54 p.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > Carnage...and we haven't seen the last of it.
> >
> > Life expectancy in Latin America and the Caribbean decreased from 75.1 years in 2019 to 72.2 in 2021, a decline of 2.9 years. In North America, expected lifespan dropped from 79.5 years in 2019 to 77.7 in 2021, or by 1.8 years.
> North America? Perhaps the report hadn't heard of Canada (the bigger
> country in NA) - life expectancy in males as of 2019 was 80 and females
> 84.2 years:
>
> https://canadapopulation.org/canada-life-expectancy/
>
> Of course we have a universal health care system here (and yes, there
> are problems with it) and perhaps that didn't fit with the authors story....
>
> There was a drop during Covid, but nothing like what happened south of
> our shared border.
>
> John :-#(#
> >
> > The most vulnerable people took a huge hit to make those meta-statistics budge by that much...
> >
> > The number of vaccines administered to children has fallen dramatically, with routine complete immunization for the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine falling 3.6% between 2019 and 2021 (from 84% to 81%). Complete uptake of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine declined from 75% to 68%, or 9.3%.
> >
> > Notably, the authors of the report suggest the disruption in health services led to 1.7 million unplanned pregnancies, resulting in nearly 800,000 abortions, 2,900 maternal deaths, and nearly 39,000 infant deaths, representing a setback equivalent to 20 to 30 years of progress in this field.
> >
> > https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/09/report-covid-19-has-lowered-lifespan-across-americas
> >
> > This is PAHO, author of report:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Health_Organization

Canada wasn't plagued by bureaucratic mismanagement (CDC) and mis-leaders playing down the severity of the disease.

U.S. definitely pumped the most money into it. And U.S. funded research from years prior was a very significant factor, although not the only one, in the development of every single vaccine and therapeutic fielded to treat the disease.

Technically the NA continent begins somewhere around Panama, making all of Central America and Mexico part of North America. Dunno if PAHO meant that or not. Usually they'll say Latin America if they mean the Spanish speaking Americas.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 22:43:55 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
wrote:

>On 2022/09/27 6:54 p.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> Carnage...and we haven't seen the last of it.
>>
>> Life expectancy in Latin America and the Caribbean decreased from 75.1 years in 2019 to 72.2 in 2021, a decline of 2.9 years. In North America, expected lifespan dropped from 79.5 years in 2019 to 77.7 in 2021, or by 1.8 years.
>
>North America? Perhaps the report hadn't heard of Canada (the bigger
>country in NA) - life expectancy in males as of 2019 was 80 and females
>84.2 years:
>
>https://canadapopulation.org/canada-life-expectancy/
>
>Of course we have a universal health care system here (and yes, there
>are problems with it) and perhaps that didn't fit with the authors story...
>
>There was a drop during Covid, but nothing like what happened south of
>our shared border.
>
>John :-#(#
>
>>
>> The most vulnerable people took a huge hit to make those meta-statistics budge by that much...
>>
>> The number of vaccines administered to children has fallen dramatically, with routine complete immunization for the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine falling 3.6% between 2019 and 2021 (from 84% to 81%). Complete uptake of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine declined from 75% to 68%, or 9.3%.
>>
>> Notably, the authors of the report suggest the disruption in health services led to 1.7 million unplanned pregnancies, resulting in nearly 800,000 abortions, 2,900 maternal deaths, and nearly 39,000 infant deaths, representing a setback equivalent to 20 to 30 years of progress in this field.
>>
>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/09/report-covid-19-has-lowered-lifespan-across-americas
>>
>> This is PAHO, author of report:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Health_Organization
>

On a per-capita basis, Canada's >360 days behind the US in covid
fatalities.

This is the result of the lack of leadership and public spirit in
the US, but a similar comparison between China and Canada can be
made. Leadership and public spirit isn't everything.

Give me liberty AND death ?

Tricky one.

Stupidity doesn't help either.

re life expectancy

From memory ( ~ ) in Sweden, studies show that for every daughter
a woman gives birth to, the woman's life expectancy increases ~2.5
years. For every son birthed,her life expectancy decreases ~ 4 years.

Damned if I can find the original artical for that - so consider
it an urban legend.

RL

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 07:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

<snip>
>> re life expectancy
>>
>> From memory ( ~ ) in Sweden, studies show that for every daughter
>> a woman gives birth to, the woman's life expectancy increases ~2.5
>> years. For every son birthed,her life expectancy decreases ~ 4 years.
>>
>> Damned if I can find the original article for that - so consider it an urban legend.
>
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3220400/
>
>Says - for contemporary populations -" In several studies, it has been observed that women with no children and women with more than four children have the highest mortality (Doblhammer 2000; Hurt et al. 2006).
>
>If you don't have kids you are probably anti-social, and if you have more than four kids you are probably not all that well organised, which might be enough to explain for fairly small effect seen.
>
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/having-sons-can-shorten-a-woman-life/
>
>this looks more like the kind of study you had in mind. The effect is smaller than you suggest, and it isn't for a modern society.
>
>"Helle and his co-author, Virpi Lummaafound, investigated parish records for individuals in eight parishes who lived during the seventeenth to mid-twentieth centuries. They found that if a woman in these communities was 37 years old at the time of having her last child, her life expectancy would vary depending on the sex of her children. She would live for another 33.1 years if she had no sons, another 32.7 years if she had three and another 32.4 years if she had six.
>
>The study, which appears in Biology Letters, builds on previous research published by the same team in the journal Science more than ten years ago, which found that for every son she had, a woman's life would be shortened by an average of 34 weeks. By contrast, daughters actually lengthened their mother's lifespan very slightly (though not statistically significantly). In both studies, the life-shortening effects were experienced only by mothers, not fathers."

That sounds like about the right time "more than ten years ago', but
the study that I recall didn't use parish records from the seventeenth
century . . . .

I originally comprehended years of difference and don't know
how this difference is reconciled, unless it was another report.
(~34 months ?, not 34 weeks)

Have things have been stable enough in Finland in the 20th century
to use it's stats as a baseline for anything? Too close to
both Germany and Russia not to get drawn into generational bumps.

RL