James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals

OPTIS

STAR

mSTAR

BOOST

Anyone seeing where this is going?

Cheers

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:34:34 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals
>
> OPTIS
>
> STAR
>
> mSTAR
>
> BOOST
>
>
> Anyone seeing where this is going?
>
> Cheers
None of the above has anything to do with Marsen.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:34:34 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals
> >
> > OPTIS
> >
> > STAR
> >
> > mSTAR
> >
> > BOOST
> >
> >
> > Anyone seeing where this is going?
> >
> > Cheers
> None of the above has anything to do with Marsen.

Okay. Fine.

The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced around.

What is the hold up?

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:32:41 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:34:34 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > > James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals
> > >
> > > OPTIS
> > >
> > > STAR
> > >
> > > mSTAR
> > >
> > > BOOST
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone seeing where this is going?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > None of the above has anything to do with Marsen.
> Okay. Fine.
>
> The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced around.
>
> What is the hold up?
No money for wasted time.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:32:41 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:34:34 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > > > James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals
> > > >
> > > > OPTIS
> > > >
> > > > STAR
> > > >
> > > > mSTAR
> > > >
> > > > BOOST
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone seeing where this is going?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > None of the above has anything to do with Marsen.
> > Okay. Fine.
> >
> > The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced around.
> >
> > What is the hold up?
> No money for wasted time.

Closed-minded, change-fearing, truth-avoiding, conformist, selfish, RELATIVIST.

Cheers

On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 17:37:24 UTC+1, Alan B wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:32:41 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:34:34 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > > > > James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals
> > > > >
> > > > > OPTIS
> > > > >
> > > > > STAR
> > > > >
> > > > > mSTAR
> > > > >
> > > > > BOOST
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone seeing where this is going?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > None of the above has anything to do with Marsen.
> > > Okay. Fine.
> > >
> > > The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced around.
> > >
> > > What is the hold up?
> > No money for wasted time.
> Closed-minded, change-fearing, truth-avoiding, conformist, selfish, RELATIVIST.

The Shit is not training its doggies to talk, it's
training them to bark.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:37:24 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:32:41 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:34:34 AM UTC-8, Alan B wrote:
> > > > > James Marsen's Outer Space MMX Proposals
> > > > >
> > > > > OPTIS
> > > > >
> > > > > STAR
> > > > >
> > > > > mSTAR
> > > > >
> > > > > BOOST
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone seeing where this is going?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > None of the above has anything to do with Marsen.
> > > Okay. Fine.
> > >
> > > The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced around.
> > >
> > > What is the hold up?
> > No money for wasted time.
> Closed-minded, change-fearing, truth-avoiding, conformist, selfish, crank..

Nice signature, Amir
Keep frothing at the mouth, this forum is designed for the likes of you

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:34:34 AM UTC-6, Alan B wrote:
>
> OPTIS
> STAR
> mSTAR
> BOOST
>
> Anyone seeing where this is going?

Space-based tests of Lorentz Invariance have a very
difficult time getting funded, since there is virtually no
theoretical justification for expecting Lorentz Invariance
to fail at levels within reach of current technology.

A rather different situation exists with the Equivalence
Principle, where most alternative theories to GR seem
to indicate that EP violation should be detectable at
sensitivities only a few orders of magnitude finer than
current technology has allowed. Although the final
results of the MICROSCOPE experiment were negative,
I would hope that the funding situation will loosen up
to the point that long-stalled space missions such as
STEP will get the go-ahead.

There are only a limited number of dollars chasing
after too many worthy science projects.

On 2/23/23 10:32 AM, Alan B wrote:
> The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting
> delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced
> around.
>
> What is the hold up?

The cost to benefit ratio. For an experiment to get funding, its cost
must be commensurate with the knowledge that would be gained from its
results. Repetitions of MMX and KTX are highly unlikely to yield any new
insights about the world we inhabit, because other ALREADY PERFORMED
experiments have tested SR and classical electrodynamics to much higher
accuracy and resolution than they can achieve. The century-old technique
of MMX and KTX has been completely outclassed by modern techniques such
as cryogenic optical resonators. Note that the proponents of any
experiment must provide an analysis and estimate of their accuracy and
resolution, demonstrating that such results are of theoretical interest;
no repetition of MMX or KTX can do that because better results are
already available. Moreover, interested has shifted from testing
classical theories to testing quantum theories.

Tom Roberts

On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 18:21:39 UTC+1, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:34:34 AM UTC-6, Alan B wrote:
> >
> > OPTIS
> > STAR
> > mSTAR
> > BOOST
> >
> > Anyone seeing where this is going?
> Space-based tests of Lorentz Invariance have a very
> difficult time getting funded, since there is virtually no
> theoretical justification for expecting Lorentz Invariance
> to fail at levels within reach of current technology.

And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden
by your bunch of idiots GPS and TAI keep measuring
t'=t in forbidden by your bunch of idiots old seconds.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:35:15 AM UTC-8, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 2/23/23 10:32 AM, Alan B wrote:
> > The point is: various MMX/KTX in space proposals keep getting
> > delayed, postponed, avoided, denied, swept under the rug, danced
> > around.
> >
> > What is the hold up?
> The cost to benefit ratio. For an experiment to get funding, its cost
> must be commensurate with the knowledge that would be gained from its
> results. Repetitions of MMX and KTX are highly unlikely to yield any new
> insights about the world we inhabit, because other ALREADY PERFORMED
> experiments have tested SR and classical electrodynamics to much higher
> accuracy and resolution than they can achieve. The century-old technique
> of MMX and KTX has been completely outclassed by modern techniques such
> as cryogenic optical resonators. Note that the proponents of any
> experiment must provide an analysis and estimate of their accuracy and
> resolution, demonstrating that such results are of theoretical interest;
> no repetition of MMX or KTX can do that because better results are
> already available. Moreover, interested has shifted from testing
> classical theories to testing quantum theories.
>
> Tom Roberts

The most surprising fact is that no anti-relativity crackpot (or group of crackpots) has raised funds for any of such experiments. Especially in the context of cryogenic optical resonators being so compact. I guess it is hard for them to put the money where their big mouths are.