demonstrates a God Mind before ours
that we can only discover after the fact..
If math is only in the mind... our mind
is our physical brain... God's Mind is
at the Big Bang...

måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> that we can only discover after the fact..
> If math is only in the mind... our mind
> is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> at the Big Bang...

You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > at the Big Bang...
> You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck

Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
"We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book

tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > at the Big Bang...
> > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck

We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.

> Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.

You have yet to prove it.
> It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...

You are making assertions without evidence.

> "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> You have yet to prove it.
There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested....
> You are making assertions without evidence.
Why would Hawking say it?

> > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book

Mitchell Raemsch

tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?

We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"

You're the moron here.

> > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > You have yet to prove it.
> There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.

Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.

> > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested....
> > You are making assertions without evidence.
> Why would Hawking say it?

He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.

Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.

> > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> Mitchell Raemsch

Who cares?

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail..com:
> > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING.. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
>
> You're the moron here.

Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?

> > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > You have yet to prove it.
> > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.

I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.

> > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > You are making assertions without evidence.
God creates gravity.
> > Why would Hawking say it?
> He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
What is the difference?
>
> Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> Who cares?
Why argue it then zelos?

Mitchell Raemsch

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you
>> > moron?
>> We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the
>> stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe
>> EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
>> You're the moron here.
>
> Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?

he is nazificated. Ignore him. His nazi country killed about 70 children.
Just imagine, having a nazi country killing children.

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
>> tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
>> > > mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
>> > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you
>> > moron?
>> We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the
>> stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe
>> EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
>>
>> You're the moron here.
>
> Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?

proofs. Disgusting, repulsive, repugnant nazis. I see the Russian
Federation Army, going in and denazificate. That's not a country, that's a
nazi shithole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Andrew Berwick, is a Norwegian far-right domestic terrorist,[6] known for
committing the 2011 Norway attacks on 22 July 2011. On that day, he killed
eight people by detonating a van bomb at Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then
killed 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp in a
mass shooting on the island of Utøya.[7][8]

On 7/20/2022 2:44 PM, Luke Franzese wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you
>>>> moron?
>>> We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the
>>> stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe
>>> EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
>>> You're the moron here.
>>
>> Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
>
> he is nazificated. Ignore him. His nazi country killed about 70 children.

No, nymshifter, Nazi 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 has killed a lot more than 70
children! Just the deliberate attack on that one theater, clearly marked
"дети", and deliberately targeted by Nazi 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐, killed more than
70 children.

> Just imagine, having a nazi country killing children.

I think 卐Владольф Путлер卐 really enjoys being the leader of
children-killing Nazi 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐.

卐Путин卐 хуйло!

Michael Moroney wrote:

> On 7/20/2022 2:44 PM, Luke Franzese wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> You're the moron here.
>>> Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
>> he is nazificated. Ignore him. His nazi country killed about 70
>> children.
>
> No, nymshifter, Nazi 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 has killed a lot more than 70 children!

cant you read empirical data, you stinking nazi subhuman excrement. You
too are about to get denazificated. You nazis are masqueraded as a
country. You cant fool anybody. And will get denazificated, want it or
not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Andrew Berwick, is a Norwegian far-right domestic terrorist,[6] known for
committing the 2011 Norway attacks on 22 July 2011. On that day, he killed
eight people by detonating a van bomb at Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then
killed 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp in a
mass shooting on the island of Utøya.[7][8]

Ukrainian TV now blurs out Azov_Nazi flags from Azovfunerals
https://www.bitchute.com/video/pyIMcXEkBctg/

On 7/17/2022 10:24 PM, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
>> demonstrates a God Mind before ours
>> that we can only discover after the fact..
>> If math is only in the mind... our mind
>> is our physical brain... God's Mind is
>> at the Big Bang...
>
> You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck

Ohhh, I think a lot of other planets had sentient beings that had their
"math" down track well before humans existed... Can I prove it? Nope!

;^D

onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> >
> > You're the moron here.
> Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?

because we madei t so it can explain things :)

Idiot.

> > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.

Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.

> > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> God creates gravity.

Another empty assertion

> > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> What is the difference?

Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.

> >
> > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > Who cares?
> Why argue it then zelos?

No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy

>
> Mitchell Raemsch

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-4, Edson Vestri wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> > On 7/20/2022 2:44 PM, Luke Franzese wrote:
> >> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> You're the moron here.
> >>> Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> >> he is nazificated. Ignore him. His nazi country killed about 7s0
> >> children.
> >
> > No, nymshifter, Nazi 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 has killed a lot more than 70 children!
> cant you read empirical data, you stinking nazi subhuman excrement. You
> too are about to get denazificated. You nazis are masqueraded as a
> country. You cant fool anybody. And will get denazificated, want it or
> not.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
>
> Andrew Berwick, is a Norwegian far-right domestic terrorist,[6] known for
> committing the 2011 Norway attacks on 22 July 2011. On that day, he killed
> eight people by detonating a van bomb at Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then
> killed 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp in a
> mass shooting on the island of Utøya.[7][8]
> Ukrainian TV now blurs out Azov_Nazi flags from Azovfunerals
> https://www.bitchute.com/video/pyIMcXEkBctg/

This is good information you are propagating here. Thank you.
As the west deflects this with claims of Russia as the nazis it's a sick sort of joke.
Pin-the-tail-on-the-nazi...
We all are blindfolded by the media alignment.
Truth and integrity have no place in the human race as it is laid out by the West's influencers.
They attended more capitalist marketing schools than pure philosophy schools.
Making the sale via repetition and mimicry may have been Kant's method too,
but beneath at least laid an idea with integrity that stood on its own.

II WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT?
Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage. Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution and courage to use it without direction from another. 'Sapere aude!' "Have courage to use your own reason!" -that is the motto of enlightenment.
- Immanuel Kant: Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals; translation by Lewis White Beck

We are developing our beliefs in our living rooms, or at our office desk if time allows.
Trusting your sources is like putting a blindfold on. As to who cares to research a layer deeper: it can be done in a half of an hour on the internet yet to break the mantra that the blindfold public has been fed en masse so that some social energy has been captured, and to go against the herd is to marginalize ones self: this is roughly the method. What? You don't have ketchup in your house? What? All the knives in the kitchen drawer are dull? Even the idea of keeping sharp has to be marginalized in times like these. The decay of our culture is established by the lies we are fed. Reality and perceived reality have branched too far apart now. Is it in the name of capitalism that this has occurred? The sheer waste of resources in a time of global environmentalism is a clash that doesn't even seem to be visible on the horizon as we listen in on the discussion. The loser is the winner as a rat is trapped which gets the cheese.

As to god and the big bang: as an atheist I find that sort of God described by Mitch to be acceptable. It is a far different God than is defined by the Abrahamics who cause so much of the global strife this day. Their exclusive belief systems expose them. Their branchings further marginalize them; developing the sort of ambiguity that economics versus environmentalism provides.

It is still true that we can attempt to provide a theory of how some god clapped its hands or flicked the switch of some device which leads to our temporary existence. Realizing such systems upon a continuum allows for tremendous possibilities. In time in particular there is the possibility in such a pocket universe that fourteen billion light years is a pittance of that creatures space. And even in this domain it is not as if that creature engineered the hydrogen atom is it? If we are trapped on the surface of a bubble and our light thus propagates then at least the black holes can make more sense. Though that doesn't complete the puzzle it does make room for such solutions.

I think we do arrive at the point of becoming gods as well as we attempt such tricks in our own scale on particles at the LHC. Who is to say in the continuum of time how much detail lays in a portion of a second? Even if many such experiments flop a few successful energetic complexities could have bred some fine scale life. Doesn't accepting the continuum deny Planck scale analysis? Thence quantum physics? That is fine by me; they've gone to a shut-up-and-compute level where the tutelage explains how they cannot explain: a sure halt. In divorcing themselves from philosophy they ought to confess their own search for a new philosophy. In divorcing themselves from macro reality they should confess that their break is a breakage of an illegitimate form. That nothing is broken at all upon a continuum. We are in for a rewrite and it won't stand the accumulation that modern academics loves so much. The cash cow, and the sheep who pay the fees, with the wool over their eyes cross combed in the latest style... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g_YG1rr7XFnu_fCsXqNK_JU-4Y-SiT6o/view?usp=sharing

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> > >
> > > You're the moron here.
> > Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> because we madei t so it can explain things :)
>
> Idiot.
> > > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> > I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.
> Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.
> > > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> > God creates gravity.
> Another empty assertion
> > > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> > What is the difference?
> Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.
> > >
> > > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > Who cares?
> > Why argue it then zelos?
> No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy
>
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch

Don't be upset zelos. There is math physics before man...
God creates gravity.

lördag 23 juli 2022 kl. 20:09:22 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > > > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> > > >
> > > > You're the moron here.
> > > Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> > because we madei t so it can explain things :)
> >
> > Idiot.
> > > > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > > > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> > > I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.
> > Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.
> > > > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> > > God creates gravity.
> > Another empty assertion
> > > > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > > > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> > > What is the difference?
> > Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.
> > > >
> > > > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > Who cares?
> > > Why argue it then zelos?
> > No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy
> >
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> Don't be upset zelos. There is math physics before man...
> God creates gravity.
Demonstrate your claims instead of making them. You claim there is mathematics before us, now prove it.

The fact we can use it to describe physics that existed before is is NOT evidence of it, it is evidence of how powerful our ideas of mathematics is as a tool.

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:11:04 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> lördag 23 juli 2022 kl. 20:09:22 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr....@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > > > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > > > > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> > > > >
> > > > > You're the moron here.
> > > > Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> > > because we madei t so it can explain things :)
> > >
> > > Idiot.
> > > > > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > > > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > > > > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> > > > I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.
> > > Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.
> > > > > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> > > > God creates gravity.
> > > Another empty assertion
> > > > > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > > > > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> > > > What is the difference?
> > > Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.
> > > > >
> > > > > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > > Who cares?
> > > > Why argue it then zelos?
> > > No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > Don't be upset zelos. There is math physics before man...
> > God creates gravity.
> Demonstrate your claims instead of making them. You claim there is mathematics before us, now prove it.
>
> The fact we can use it to describe physics that existed before is is NOT evidence of it, it is evidence of how powerful our ideas of mathematics is as a tool.

Math is physical and it is before man... we didn't create the BB we only discovered its mathematics...

söndag 24 juli 2022 kl. 19:35:24 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:11:04 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > lördag 23 juli 2022 kl. 20:09:22 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > > > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > > > > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > > > > > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're the moron here.
> > > > > Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> > > > because we madei t so it can explain things :)
> > > >
> > > > Idiot.
> > > > > > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > > > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > > > > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > > > > > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> > > > > I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.
> > > > Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.
> > > > > > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > > > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> > > > > God creates gravity.
> > > > Another empty assertion
> > > > > > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > > > > > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> > > > > What is the difference?
> > > > Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > > > Who cares?
> > > > > Why argue it then zelos?
> > > > No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > Don't be upset zelos. There is math physics before man...
> > > God creates gravity.
> > Demonstrate your claims instead of making them. You claim there is mathematics before us, now prove it.
> >
> > The fact we can use it to describe physics that existed before is is NOT evidence of it, it is evidence of how powerful our ideas of mathematics is as a tool.
> Math is physical and it is before man... we didn't create the BB we only discovered its mathematics...

then show me the physical 3, not 3 of something, but the physical object that is the number 3, not the script we use to represent, but the physical thing of threeness. Go ahead

On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:11:04 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > lördag 23 juli 2022 kl. 20:09:22 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > > > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > > > > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > > > > > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're the moron here.
> > > > > Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> > > > because we madei t so it can explain things :)
> > > >
> > > > Idiot.
> > > > > > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > > > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > > > > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > > > > > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> > > > > I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.
> > > > Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.
> > > > > > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > > > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> > > > > God creates gravity.
> > > > Another empty assertion
> > > > > > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > > > > > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> > > > > What is the difference?
> > > > Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > > > Who cares?
> > > > > Why argue it then zelos?
> > > > No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > Don't be upset zelos. There is math physics before man...
> > > God creates gravity.
> > Demonstrate your claims instead of making them. You claim there is mathematics before us, now prove it.
> >
> > The fact we can use it to describe physics that existed before is is NOT evidence of it, it is evidence of how powerful our ideas of mathematics is as a tool.
> Math is physical and it is before man... we didn't create the BB we only discovered its mathematics...

Yeah, but 'cmon, man' you know we didn't get the mathematics quite right yet.
That math is not physical is as simple as pondering where unity lays along a chalk line.
Or even the image of a chalk line after you snap it.
The best part of all the thinking is to declare these things open. Still open.
The mathematician who believes he is more intelligent for never touching the word 'physical' has written himself a free ticket.
And likely gave up on being human too.
The divisions come first for some.
They get to relax.
But relax into what?
A world where mathematics, physics, and philosophy disagree?
And who cares for they are divided, right?
The niches alight and bifurcate and trifurcate and academic accumulation can carry on for ages so long as the terabyte goes to petabyte in a decade.
There is another swamp beyond politics that humanity faces. Science turned science fiction is not acceptable.
Will science nazis come next? Who cares, says the mathematician; so long as there are no math nazis.
Who cares, so long as your funding is NSF, eh? Not Z? Donetsk me.

måndag 25 juli 2022 kl. 15:42:30 UTC+2 skrev timba...@gmail.com:
> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:11:04 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > lördag 23 juli 2022 kl. 20:09:22 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:07:15 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > onsdag 20 juli 2022 kl. 20:14:56 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 19:16:37 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:25:06 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > tisdag 19 juli 2022 kl. 05:11:20 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:24:59 PM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > måndag 18 juli 2022 kl. 01:20:14 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrates a God Mind before ours
> > > > > > > > > > > > that we can only discover after the fact..
> > > > > > > > > > > > If math is only in the mind... our mind
> > > > > > > > > > > > is our physical brain... God's Mind is
> > > > > > > > > > > > at the Big Bang...
> > > > > > > > > > > You have not demonstrated there is mathematics before humanity so you stuck
> > > > > > > > > We can DESCRIBE it using mathematics, but it does not show it IS mathematical. So you are the one stuck.
> > > > > > > > Why would we describe it mathematically if it isn't mathematical you moron?
> > > > > > > We use many things to describe other things, it does not mean it IS the stuff we use to describe it. FOr example we use WORDS to describe EVERYTHING. but not everything is made out of words or "wordal"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're the moron here.
> > > > > > Why does math apply before man's mind you moron?
> > > > > because we madei t so it can explain things :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Idiot.
> > > > > > > > > > Physics back to the Big Bang is mathematical that we only discover after.
> > > > > > > > > You have yet to prove it.
> > > > > > > > There is physical math before man's mind we can discover.
> > > > > > > Then go ahead and discover it. We are waiting.
> > > > > > I have. It was mathematical dimensional expansion.
> > > > > Nope, you have asserted it, not actually discovered it.
> > > > > > > > > > It is before man's mind. There is a God's Mind like Hawking suggested...
> > > > > > > > > You are making assertions without evidence.
> > > > > > God creates gravity.
> > > > > Another empty assertion
> > > > > > > > Why would Hawking say it?
> > > > > > > He said we can use mathematics to describe it, not that it is.. And even if he did, he is human and was wrong then.
> > > > > > What is the difference?
> > > > > Applying X to describe Y does not mean Y is X.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.
> > > > > > > > > > "We shall know the Mind of God."Last sentence of his first book
> > > > > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > > > > Who cares?
> > > > > > Why argue it then zelos?
> > > > > No one cares about your imaginary sky daddy
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > Don't be upset zelos. There is math physics before man...
> > > > God creates gravity.
> > > Demonstrate your claims instead of making them. You claim there is mathematics before us, now prove it.
> > >
> > > The fact we can use it to describe physics that existed before is is NOT evidence of it, it is evidence of how powerful our ideas of mathematics is as a tool.
> > Math is physical and it is before man... we didn't create the BB we only discovered its mathematics...
> Yeah, but 'cmon, man' you know we didn't get the mathematics quite right yet.
> That math is not physical is as simple as pondering where unity lays along a chalk line.
> Or even the image of a chalk line after you snap it.
> The best part of all the thinking is to declare these things open. Still open.
> The mathematician who believes he is more intelligent for never touching the word 'physical' has written himself a free ticket.
> And likely gave up on being human too.
> The divisions come first for some.
> They get to relax.
> But relax into what?
> A world where mathematics, physics, and philosophy disagree?
> And who cares for they are divided, right?
> The niches alight and bifurcate and trifurcate and academic accumulation can carry on for ages so long as the terabyte goes to petabyte in a decade.
> There is another swamp beyond politics that humanity faces. Science turned science fiction is not acceptable.
> Will science nazis come next? Who cares, says the mathematician; so long as there are no math nazis.
> Who cares, so long as your funding is NSF, eh? Not Z? Donetsk me.
your crankery does not help mate.