On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
<skybuckflying@gmail.com> wrote:

>Vaccination is attempted murder!
>
>If someone tries to persuade you or someone else to vaccinate then
>
>report attempted murder to the police!
>
>Enough people have died!
>
>It's time to stop this madman/madwoman!
>
>Stop them before they stop you!
>
>Greetings,
> Skybuck.

It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697

Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.

#fake

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:43:28 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Vaccination is attempted murder!
> >
> >If someone tries to persuade you or someone else to vaccinate then
> >
> >report attempted murder to the police!
> >
> >Enough people have died!
> >
> >It's time to stop this madman/madwoman!
> >
> >Stop them before they stop you!
> >
> >Greetings,
> > Skybuck.
> It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
> than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.
>
> https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697

Yeah it's been suggested all right- by a wackadoodle Nigerian born mental defective Harvard Med token graduate, Joseph Ladapo.

"During the COVID-19 pandemic, Ladapo has promoted unproven treatments, opposed vaccine mandates, questioned vaccine safety, and associated with America's Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group known to promote falsehoods about the pandemic.[8][9][10][11] In March 2022, he recommended that healthy children not be vaccinated against COVID-19, a decision contrary to the CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics.[12] Experts cited by Ladapo expressed concern about how he used their work."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ladapo

He's never practiced medicine, apparently knows little to nothing about it. What we have here is another case of the "token minority" bouncing around various relatively prestigious appointments so the employer institutions can fabricate statistics relating to ethnic diversity. I wouldn't give that idiot a nickel for his opinion.

You might vet your sources a little bit better. This was one of your more egregious cites. He's completely wrong about his claims.

>
> Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.

It wouldn't be that much of a mystery if you were aware of the well-known fact that most viral disease infection damage is caused by the immune response. Polio is a classic example. Younger people, through no credit of their own, have stronger immune response and therefore more risk of damage.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:08:18 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:43:28 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> > <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> > It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
> > than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.
> >
> > https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
> It doesn't say all that much. Young males are remarkably unlikely to get killed by Covid-19 (though it does happen) and mRNA vaccines do have one in a million chance of bringing on a fatal cardiac arrhythmia. The Astra-Zenecca vaccine doesn't have this problem for young people.
> > Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.
> "Cytokine storm". Covid-19 can create the same problem, and it is more of problem for relatively young people. With the Spanish flu older people had residual immunity from earlier - less virulent - strains of the same virus, so it isn't quite as interesting as John Larkin seems to think.

They had no such residual immunity, and I'm not aware of the cytokine storm causing pulmonary hemorrhaging.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 08:35:45 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:43:28 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
>> <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Vaccination is attempted murder!
>> >
>> >If someone tries to persuade you or someone else to vaccinate then
>> >
>> >report attempted murder to the police!
>> >
>> >Enough people have died!
>> >
>> >It's time to stop this madman/madwoman!
>> >
>> >Stop them before they stop you!
>> >
>> >Greetings,
>> > Skybuck.
>> It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
>> than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.
>>
>> https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
>
>Yeah it's been suggested all right- by a wackadoodle Nigerian born mental defective Harvard Med token graduate, Joseph Ladapo.
>
>"During the COVID-19 pandemic, Ladapo has promoted unproven treatments, opposed vaccine mandates, questioned vaccine safety, and associated with America's Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group known to promote falsehoods about the pandemic.[8][9][10][11] In March 2022, he recommended that healthy children not be vaccinated against COVID-19, a decision contrary to the CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics.[12] Experts cited by Ladapo expressed concern about how he used their work."
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ladapo
>
>He's never practiced medicine, apparently knows little to nothing about it. What we have here is another case of the "token minority" bouncing around various relatively prestigious appointments so the employer institutions can fabricate statistics relating to ethnic diversity. I wouldn't give that idiot a nickel for his opinion.

Oh, dark skin = dumb. Got it.

>
>You might vet your sources a little bit better. This was one of your more egregious cites. He's completely wrong about his claims.

There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
dying after getting covid vaccines. The risk of death from the virus
and from the vaccinee are both low, so the logical thing to do was not
vaccinate young people. But public health is driven by fear and
politics, not logic.

>
>>
>> Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.
>
>It wouldn't be that much of a mystery if you were aware of the well-known fact that most viral disease infection damage is caused by the immune response. Polio is a classic example. Younger people, through no credit of their own, have stronger immune response and therefore more risk of damage.

But not for covid.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:53:58 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 08:35:45 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:43:28 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> >> <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Vaccination is attempted murder!
> >> >
> >> >If someone tries to persuade you or someone else to vaccinate then
> >> >
> >> >report attempted murder to the police!
> >> >
> >> >Enough people have died!
> >> >
> >> >It's time to stop this madman/madwoman!
> >> >
> >> >Stop them before they stop you!
> >> >
> >> >Greetings,
> >> > Skybuck.
> >> It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
> >> than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.
> >>
> >> https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
> >
> >Yeah it's been suggested all right- by a wackadoodle Nigerian born mental defective Harvard Med token graduate, Joseph Ladapo.
> >
> >"During the COVID-19 pandemic, Ladapo has promoted unproven treatments, opposed vaccine mandates, questioned vaccine safety, and associated with America's Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group known to promote falsehoods about the pandemic.[8][9][10][11] In March 2022, he recommended that healthy children not be vaccinated against COVID-19, a decision contrary to the CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics.[12] Experts cited by Ladapo expressed concern about how he used their work."
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ladapo
> >
> >He's never practiced medicine, apparently knows little to nothing about it. What we have here is another case of the "token minority" bouncing around various relatively prestigious appointments so the employer institutions can fabricate statistics relating to ethnic diversity. I wouldn't give that idiot a nickel for his opinion.
> Oh, dark skin = dumb. Got it.
> >
> >You might vet your sources a little bit better. This was one of your more egregious cites. He's completely wrong about his claims.
> There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
> dying after getting covid vaccines. The risk of death from the virus
> and from the vaccinee are both low, so the logical thing to do was not
> vaccinate young people. But public health is driven by fear and
> politics, not logic.

They use the generic term "young men" to conjure up images of muscled young, athletic, hyperactive men. The reality is very different. The few cases written about in detail show an overweight flabby and obviously sedentary blob of a kid. That morphology is going to have problems with everything. They were ill at the start.

> >
> >>
> >> Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.
> >
> >It wouldn't be that much of a mystery if you were aware of the well-known fact that most viral disease infection damage is caused by the immune response. Polio is a classic example. Younger people, through no credit of their own, have stronger immune response and therefore more risk of damage.
> But not for covid.

It's a race for control of the virus population: is the virus going to be eliminated quickly at the expense of some immune damage, or is the virus not going not be eliminated so quickly giving the immune system more opportunity to cause damage. A strong immune response favors the first option, a weaker one the second.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:53:58 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

> There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
> dying after getting covid vaccines.

I did read of one case of young male Olympian who died from COVID-19. I know what he was doing to bring that on, don't recall whether they mentioned he was vaccinated or not. But the death was not classified as an adverse vaccination event.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:53:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

> There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
> dying after getting covid vaccines. The risk of death from the virus
> and from the vaccinee are both low, so the logical thing to do was not
> vaccinate young people. But public health is driven by fear and
> politics, not logic.

Worthless analysis, there; there are multiple vaccines, which one is being indicted?
Dying after... is just a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy being introduced,
persons ARE MORTAL, they die after all of the events of a lifetime. You
cannot draw a useful conclusion from such a vague premise.

As for public health, it is driven by biology and water quality and food preparation
and half a hundred other things.
Public health policy is politics, so yeah, politics is in there. So is fear, because
there's a pandemic going on. Trump worked to scorn the fear, rather than oppose
the pandemic, which... didn't work. It polarized people, which isn't a public
health benefit.

On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 11:46:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:53:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
>> dying after getting covid vaccines. The risk of death from the virus
>> and from the vaccinee are both low, so the logical thing to do was not
>> vaccinate young people. But public health is driven by fear and
>> politics, not logic.
>
>Worthless analysis, there; there are multiple vaccines, which one is being indicted?

Read the link you snipped.

>Dying after... is just a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy being introduced,
>persons ARE MORTAL, they die after all of the events of a lifetime. You
>cannot draw a useful conclusion from such a vague premise.
>
>As for public health, it is driven by biology and water quality and food preparation
>and half a hundred other things.

Enough complexity makes causalities impossible to determine. Enjoy.

>Public health policy is politics, so yeah, politics is in there. So is fear, because
>there's a pandemic going on. Trump worked to scorn the fear, rather than oppose
>the pandemic, which... didn't work. It polarized people, which isn't a public
>health benefit.

And he pushed Operation Warp Speed to have vaccines in a fraction of
the time "experts" predicted, and sooner than europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 12:21:23 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> And he pushed Operation Warp Speed to have vaccines in a fraction of
> the time "experts" predicted, and sooner than europe.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

The Oxford-Astrazeneca covid vaccine development was well under way before Warp Speed was approved. It was being used in the UK before the first vaccine was available in the US

The Pfizer vaccine which didn't receive any direct Warp Speed funding was approved in the UK before the US. It was approved in the US before the Moderna vaccine which did receive Warp Speed funding.

Trump did little to effect distribution and coordination of vaccine delivery, that had to wait until Binden's administration.

kw

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:21:23 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 11:46:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:53:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >> There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
> >> dying after getting covid vaccines.

> >Worthless analysis, there; there are multiple vaccines, which one is being indicted?
> Read the link you snipped.

If you don't know what vaccine you're talking about, just say so.

> >Dying after... is just a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy being introduced,
> >persons ARE MORTAL, they die after all of the events of a lifetime. You
> >cannot draw a useful conclusion from such a vague premise.

> >As for public health, it is driven by biology and water quality and food preparation
> >and half a hundred other things.
> Enough complexity makes causalities impossible to determine. Enjoy.

Don't be fatuous; large systems are dealt with statistically, which is never
impossible (though sometimes tedious and slow).

You cited 'famous' cases, as though that were a useful criterion; it isn't.
It's just more dramatic than data would be...

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:17:07 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:37:41 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:08:18 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:43:28 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> > > > <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
> > > > than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.
> > > >
> > > > https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
> > > It doesn't say all that much. Young males are remarkably unlikely to get killed by Covid-19 (though it does happen) and mRNA vaccines do have one in a million chance of bringing on a fatal cardiac arrhythmia. The Astra-Zenecca vaccine doesn't have this problem for young people.
> > > > Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.
> > > "Cytokine storm". Covid-19 can create the same problem, and it is more of problem for relatively young people. With the Spanish flu older people had residual immunity from earlier - less virulent - strains of the same virus, so it isn't quite as interesting as John Larkin seems to think.
> >
> > They had no such residual immunity, and I'm not aware of the cytokine storm causing pulmonary hemorrhaging.
> Fred Bloggs doesn't know much, and quite a bit of what he thinks he knows is wrong. Both these assertions are incorrect.

Some more quick fly swatting is in order here:

"The majority of individuals who died during the pandemic succumbed to secondary bacterial pneumonia (Jordan 1927; LeCount 1919; Wolbach 1919), since no antibiotics were available in 1918. However, a subset died rapidly after the onset of symptoms, often with either massive acute pulmonary hemorrhage or pulmonary edema, often in less than five days (LeCount 1919; Winternitz et al. 1920; Wolbach 1919)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720273/

Incidence of hemorrhage in COVID-19 is limited to a small number of case reports and was very uncommon.

He doesn't have a clue in hell how hemorrhage arises.

In reality Sloman knows next to nothing about nearly everything and is incapable of learning anything.

Then he's too stupid to recognize a phony PNAS article out China mandated by the CCP for the purpose of undermining confidence in western vaccine development. Tools do stuff like that.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Sun, 09 Oct 2022 12:21:11 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 11:46:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:53:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> There have been some, and some famous, cases of healthy young men
>>> dying after getting covid vaccines. The risk of death from the virus
>>> and from the vaccinee are both low, so the logical thing to do was not
>>> vaccinate young people. But public health is driven by fear and
>>> politics, not logic.
>>
>>Worthless analysis, there; there are multiple vaccines, which one is being indicted?
>
>Read the link you snipped.

..<https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697>

>>Dying after... is just a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy being introduced,
>>persons ARE MORTAL, they die after all of the events of a lifetime. You
>>cannot draw a useful conclusion from such a vague premise.
>>
>>As for public health, it is driven by biology and water quality and food preparation
>>and half a hundred other things.
>
>Enough complexity makes causalities impossible to determine. Enjoy.
>
>>Public health policy is politics, so yeah, politics is in there. So is fear, because
>>there's a pandemic going on. Trump worked to scorn the fear, rather than oppose
>>the pandemic, which... didn't work. It polarized people, which isn't a public
>>health benefit.
>
>And he pushed Operation Warp Speed to have vaccines in a fraction of
>the time "experts" predicted, and sooner than europe.
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed>

Ladapo seems to be channeling the data reported in The Lancet.

While it was true that with one of the mRNA vaccines, young men
experienced almost twice the risk of heart problems, the absolute risk
was still parts per million, orders of magnitude below the risks if an
unvaccinated person catches COVID.

See SED article "Re: OT: COVID experiences" posted on Tue, 19 Jul 2022
20:00:21 -0400. Here is the key part:

>>>>The vaccines are not risk-free themselves, especially for young males.
>>>
>>>Hmm. Why do you say this? I don't think that the young are at more
>>>risk from vaccination, but they do appear to be at less risk from
>>>COVID. This is the kind of thing that the FDA and CDC agonize over,
>>>mainly for a well-founded fear of Congress.
>>>
>>>Joe Gwinn
>>
>>.<https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/what-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-linked-heart-problems-young-people>
>
>Click through to the underlying Lancet article, and look at the
>figures and tables. Table 2 is key. Even for the young folk, it's
>still parts per million.

Compared to:

>>>>In the US, COVID has killed a million people. Sounds like a lot, but
>>>>the population is 330 million, so the raw risk is of order 0.33%, or
>>>>3,030 ppm. Which well exceeds 1 ppm.

Joe Gwinn

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:34:17 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:17:07 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:37:41 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:08:18 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:43:28 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> > > > > > <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > It's been suggested for a while now that the vaccines may be worse
> > > > > > than the threat from covid for certain groups, especially young males.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
> > > > > It doesn't say all that much. Young males are remarkably unlikely to get killed by Covid-19 (though it does happen) and mRNA vaccines do have one in a million chance of bringing on a fatal cardiac arrhythmia. The Astra-Zenecca vaccine doesn't have this problem for young people.
> > > > > > Interesting that the 1918 flu killed mostly young people.
> > > > > "Cytokine storm". Covid-19 can create the same problem, and it is more of problem for relatively young people. With the Spanish flu older people had residual immunity from earlier - less virulent - strains of the same virus, so it isn't quite as interesting as John Larkin seems to think.
> > > >
> > > > They had no such residual immunity, and I'm not aware of the cytokine storm causing pulmonary hemorrhaging.
> > > Fred Bloggs doesn't know much, and quite a bit of what he thinks he knows is wrong. Both these assertions are incorrect.
> > Some more quick fly swatting is in order here:
> >
> > "The majority of individuals who died during the pandemic succumbed to secondary bacterial pneumonia (Jordan 1927; LeCount 1919; Wolbach 1919), since no antibiotics were available in 1918. However, a subset died rapidly after the onset of symptoms, often with either massive acute pulmonary hemorrhage or pulmonary edema, often in less than five days (LeCount 1919; Winternitz et al. 1920; Wolbach 1919)."
> >
> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720273/
> >
> > Incidence of hemorrhage in COVID-19 is limited to a small number of case reports and was very uncommon.
> Gross and obvious hemorrhage may be uncommon in Covid-19. There does seems to be a lot small scale hemorrhage in some Covid-19 patients, mostly found at autopsy.
> > He doesn't have a clue in hell how hemorrhage arises.
> Do tell us how it happens.
> > In reality Sloman knows next to nothing about nearly everything and is incapable of learning anything.
> Fred Bloggs does like to think that he is an authority, and resents it when I point out that he has got stuff wrong.

That's something you get wrong a lot, thinking someone else has it wrong.

> > Then he's too stupid to recognize a phony PNAS article out China mandated by the CCP for the purpose of undermining confidence in western vaccine development. Tools do stuff like that.
> Sadly, Fred doesn't identify the phony PNAS article he is carrying on about. Even the Communist Party of China would find it difficult to get a phony article past the peer-review system at the Proceedings of the (American) National Academy of Science.
>
> It strikes me as likely to be more of his pompous mis-remembered nonsense..

The only pomposity around here is you and that bunch of jokes at PNAS.

The article was about gene expression and alteration of spike protein composition.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:39:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:45:14 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:34:17 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:17:07 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:37:41 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:08:18 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:43:28 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> > > > > > > > <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > > > Incidence of hemorrhage in COVID-19 is limited to a small number of case reports and was very uncommon.
> > >
> > > Gross and obvious hemorrhage may be uncommon in Covid-19. There does seems to be a lot small scale hemorrhage in some Covid-19 patients, mostly found at autopsy.
> > > > He doesn't have a clue in hell how hemorrhage arises.
> > >
> > > Do tell us how it happens.
> > >
> > > > In reality Sloman knows next to nothing about nearly everything and is incapable of learning anything.
> > >
> > > Fred Bloggs does like to think that he is an authority, and resents it when I point out that he has got stuff wrong.
> >
> > That's something you get wrong a lot, thinking someone else has it wrong.
> Or so Fred likes to think.
> > > > Then he's too stupid to recognize a phony PNAS article out China mandated by the CCP for the purpose of undermining confidence in western vaccine development. Tools do stuff like that.
> > >
> > > Sadly, Fred doesn't identify the phony PNAS article he is carrying on about. Even the Communist Party of China would find it difficult to get a phony article past the peer-review system at the Proceedings of the (American) National Academy of Science.
> > >
> > > It strikes me as likely to be more of his pompous mis-remembered nonsense.
> >
> > The only pomposity around here is you and that bunch of jokes at PNAS.
> More pomposity. No link to an actual article.
> > The article was about gene expression and alteration of spike protein composition.
> But you can't find the link to it. The spike protein structure is defined by a "gene" in the Covid-19 genonome - if you could find the article you should be able to pick out the exact bit of the RNA sequence that defines the amino acid sequence that defines the spike protein and it's structure.
>
> There are loads of paper that talk about that, so it isn't any kind of specific reference - more a face-saving generality to hide the fact that when you did find the paper it didn't say what you claimed it did.
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Funny, the CDC calls "death" an "adverse reaction" to the COVID vaccine. And over THIRTY ONE THOUSAND deaths IS NOT insignificant. Having caught COVID, I would opt for that over death - I AM NOT getting any further "boosters" as they have proven to be ineffective.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:28:13 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

> Funny, the CDC calls "death" an "adverse reaction" to the COVID vaccine.

That's not funny.
>And over THIRTY ONE THOUSAND deaths IS NOT insignificant.

But, the point is that you can vaccinate a million people, and two years later
there are thousands of deaths accumulated; that's because people
are mortal. It isn't because of the vaccine.

>Having caught COVID, I would opt for that over death - I AM NOT getting any further "boosters" as they have proven to be ineffective.

That preference bears no causal relationship to your decision on vaccines. Boosters
have proven quite effective, in the usual sense of a public health measure keeping
more people healthier. Flyguy is making mistakes, and... defending them illogically.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:39:01 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:45:14 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:34:17 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:17:07 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:37:41 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:08:18 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:43:28 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> > > > > > > > <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > > > Incidence of hemorrhage in COVID-19 is limited to a small number of case reports and was very uncommon.
> > >
> > > Gross and obvious hemorrhage may be uncommon in Covid-19. There does seems to be a lot small scale hemorrhage in some Covid-19 patients, mostly found at autopsy.
> > > > He doesn't have a clue in hell how hemorrhage arises.
> > >
> > > Do tell us how it happens.
> > >
> > > > In reality Sloman knows next to nothing about nearly everything and is incapable of learning anything.
> > >
> > > Fred Bloggs does like to think that he is an authority, and resents it when I point out that he has got stuff wrong.
> >
> > That's something you get wrong a lot, thinking someone else has it wrong.
> Or so Fred likes to think.
> > > > Then he's too stupid to recognize a phony PNAS article out China mandated by the CCP for the purpose of undermining confidence in western vaccine development. Tools do stuff like that.
> > >
> > > Sadly, Fred doesn't identify the phony PNAS article he is carrying on about. Even the Communist Party of China would find it difficult to get a phony article past the peer-review system at the Proceedings of the (American) National Academy of Science.
> > >
> > > It strikes me as likely to be more of his pompous mis-remembered nonsense.
> >
> > The only pomposity around here is you and that bunch of jokes at PNAS.
> More pomposity. No link to an actual article.
> > The article was about gene expression and alteration of spike protein composition.
> But you can't find the link to it. The spike protein structure is defined by a "gene" in the Covid-19 genonome - if you could find the article you should be able to pick out the exact bit of the RNA sequence that defines the amino acid sequence that defines the spike protein and it's structure.
>
> There are loads of paper that talk about that, so it isn't any kind of specific reference - more a face-saving generality to hide the fact that when you did find the paper it didn't say what you claimed it did.

As I recall you're the one with the problem comprehending the research literature.

You're just a link freak.

Genes are made up of DNA, not RNA, btw.

>
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> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:38:46 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:40:57 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:39:01 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:45:14 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:34:17 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:17:07 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:37:41 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:08:18 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:43:28 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck Flying
> > > > > > > > > > <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > > > Incidence of hemorrhage in COVID-19 is limited to a small number of case reports and was very uncommon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gross and obvious hemorrhage may be uncommon in Covid-19. There does seems to be a lot small scale hemorrhage in some Covid-19 patients, mostly found at autopsy.
> > > > > > He doesn't have a clue in hell how hemorrhage arises.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do tell us how it happens.
> > > > >
> > > > > > In reality Sloman knows next to nothing about nearly everything and is incapable of learning anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred Bloggs does like to think that he is an authority, and resents it when I point out that he has got stuff wrong.
> > > >
> > > > That's something you get wrong a lot, thinking someone else has it wrong.
> > > Or so Fred likes to think.
> > > > > > Then he's too stupid to recognize a phony PNAS article out China mandated by the CCP for the purpose of undermining confidence in western vaccine development. Tools do stuff like that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sadly, Fred doesn't identify the phony PNAS article he is carrying on about. Even the Communist Party of China would find it difficult to get a phony article past the peer-review system at the Proceedings of the (American) National Academy of Science.
> > > > >
> > > > > It strikes me as likely to be more of his pompous mis-remembered nonsense.
> > > >
> > > > The only pomposity around here is you and that bunch of jokes at PNAS.
> > > More pomposity. No link to an actual article.
> > > > The article was about gene expression and alteration of spike protein composition.
> > > But you can't find the link to it. The spike protein structure is defined by a "gene" in the Covid-19 genonome - if you could find the article you should be able to pick out the exact bit of the RNA sequence that defines the amino acid sequence that defines the spike protein and it's structure..
> > >
> > > There are loads of paper that talk about that, so it isn't any kind of specific reference - more a face-saving generality to hide the fact that when you did find the paper it didn't say what you claimed it did.
> >
> > As I recall you're the one with the problem comprehending the research literature.
> >
> > You're just a link freak.
> That is the way you would recall it.You reflect your failures of comprehension onto other people, then gloat about your imaginary triumphs.
>
> Posting links is a handy way of drawing peoples attention to information that is available in the peer-reviewed literature. I'm not going to give it up because you try to hang a derogatory label on it.
> > Genes are made up of DNA, not RNA, btw.
> Genes are merely heritable elements - the term was invented long before were knew that DNA and RNA were involved.

"The spike protein structure is defined by a "gene" in the Covid-19 genonome "... doesn't sound like you were talking about heritability, sounds more like you were talking about a DNA molecule, which you then confused with RNA.

And then you talk about my failure of comprehension?

>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gene
>
> Our genes are made up of DNA, but even ours get translated into RNA before they get translated into proteins.

Well, partly right. RNA doesn't get "translated" into proteins, it is a blueprint that directs the cell to assemble a protein.

>
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> Bill Sloman, Sydney