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* How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)? 60% 70%Jean Mario Charest
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How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?

60%
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80%
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
<ve2mcj@gmail.com> wrote:

>How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
>
>60%
>70%
>80%
>90%
>Etc.

If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
air-to-glass surface.

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On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:55:44 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
> <ve2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
> >
> >60%
> >70%
> >80%
> >90%
> >Etc.
> If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
> air-to-glass surface.

So, it means a doublet refractor let's more light through than a triplet?
🤔

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On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:32:32 PM UTC-4, Jean Mario Charest wrote:
> How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
>
> 60%
> 70%
> 80%
> 90%
> Etc.
For an old uncoated objective the number would be in the 85% range.

For many modern coated objectives the number would be in the 95% range.

The best anti-reflection coatings bring the number into the high 90s.

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On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:55:44?PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
>> <ve2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
>> >
>> >60%
>> >70%
>> >80%
>> >90%
>> >Etc.
>> If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
>> air-to-glass surface.
>
>So, it means a doublet refractor let's more light through than a triplet?
>?

Depends on the design. Not all doublets or triplets have all of their
surfaces facing air.

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On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:54:10 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:55:44 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
> > <ve2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
> > >
> > >60%
> > >70%
> > >80%
> > >90%
> > >Etc.
> > If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
> > air-to-glass surface.
> So, it means a doublet refractor let's more light through than a triplet?
> 🤔

The triplet will probably have better coatings.

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On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 6:12:05 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT),
> >On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:55:44?PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
> >> <ve2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
> >> >
> >> >60%
> >> >70%
> >> >80%
> >> >90%
> >> >Etc.
> >> If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
> >> air-to-glass surface.
> >
> >So, it means a doublet refractor let's more light through than a triplet?
> >?
>
> Depends on the design. Not all doublets or triplets have all of their
> surfaces facing air.

Your telescopes Chris are oil filled, isn't it?

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 by: Jean Mario Charest - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 14:25 UTC

Le samedi 4 novembre 2023 à 22 h 23 min 05 s UTC-4, StarDust a écrit :
> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 6:12:05 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT),
> > >On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:55:44?PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
> > >> <ve2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
> > >> >
> > >> >60%
> > >> >70%
> > >> >80%
> > >> >90%
> > >> >Etc.
> > >> If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
> > >> air-to-glass surface.
> > >
> > >So, it means a doublet refractor let's more light through than a triplet?
> > >?
> >
> > Depends on the design. Not all doublets or triplets have all of their
> > surfaces facing air.
> Your telescopes Chris are oil filled, isn't it?
Thank you for your advice. It's a 156mm achromatic doublet that I bought this spring. I didn't have the chance to observe with it. Also I want to buy a used Newton 200mm/1000mm f5.0 SkyWatcher but it doesn't have the cranford 10:1 just plain. but I doubt it needs to be coating on the primary mirror and the secondary mirror. How many years does a coating need to be redone?
It seems to me to be an old model.... Do you have a price for this tube and also it has a small dovetail for an 8''!!!!

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 14:30 UTC

On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 19:23:03 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 6:12:05?AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT),
>> >On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:55:44?PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Jean Mario Charest
>> >> <ve2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
>> >> >
>> >> >60%
>> >> >70%
>> >> >80%
>> >> >90%
>> >> >Etc.
>> >> If it's a good quality refractor, I'd figure about 0.5% loss per
>> >> air-to-glass surface.
>> >
>> >So, it means a doublet refractor let's more light through than a triplet?
>> >?
>>
>> Depends on the design. Not all doublets or triplets have all of their
>> surfaces facing air.
>
>Your telescopes Chris are oil filled, isn't it?

I mainly image with an RC, so no lenses. I have a small refractor I
use for occasional projects... a well corrected doublet, and I'm not
sure of the details of the objective.

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 by: StarDust - Tue, 7 Nov 2023 02:22 UTC

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 5:47:55 PM UTC-8, Rich wrote:
> On Friday, 3 November 2023 at 16:32:32 UTC-4, Jean Mario Charest wrote:
> > How much light does a refractor let through (in percentage)?
> >
> > 60%
> > 70%
> > 80%
> > 90%
> > Etc.
> Depends on the frequency and the angle the light hits the lens at. Perpendicular rays of green light would loose about 0.5% per coated surface. So for an air-spaced triplet apo, about 3% or so. Light rays in blue or red end of the spectrum would lose more percentages and light hitting a curved lens at the edge (partially glancing blow) could lose as much as 20%.

What if I leave the cover on by accident?
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