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* Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonic missiles?Richard Hertz
+- Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonicWoodruff Cavallo
+* Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonic missiles?Laurence Clark Crossen
|`- Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonicwhodat
+* Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonicVolney
|`* Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonic missiles?Richard Hertz
| `* Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonicVolney
|  `- Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonicwhodat
`* Crank Richard Hertz shoots himself in the footDono.
 `* Re: Crank Richard Hertz shoots himself in the footMaciej Wozniak
  `* Re: Crank Richard Hertz shoots himself in the footVolney
   +- Re: Crank Richard Hertz shoots himself in the footMaciej Wozniak
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Subject: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonic missiles?
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 by: Richard Hertz - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:08 UTC

They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.

Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.

As a Kinzal moves at about 3 Km/sec at about 15 Km high, before
plunging almost at 90° over the target, do you think that Russians
included Einstein's effects?

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 by: Woodruff Cavallo - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:23 UTC

Richard Hertz wrote:

> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show
> off and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.

I start believe this gay actor on cocaine, zelenske, playing
*_"president"_* for big money, is likely dead, 2 weeks ago, under some
missiles hit a *_decision_center_*. He was a gay anyway.

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 by: Laurence Clark Cross - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 19:02 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>
> Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.
>
> As a Kinzal moves at about 3 Km/sec at about 15 Km high, before
> plunging almost at 90° over the target, do you think that Russians
> included Einstein's effects?
Relativity is of no practical application ever. It just hampers the development of science by confusing the issues with illogical, irrational nonsense..

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 by: whodat - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 20:22 UTC

On 3/11/2023 1:02 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

[...]

> Relativity is of no practical application ever. It just hampers the development of science by confusing the issues with illogical, irrational nonsense.

There is one very simple reason why those who use relativity
every day to advance the human quality of life don't "fight
back" when posts like this appear.

We just successfully use the tools we have. Hope you're
having fun.

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 by: Volney - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:48 UTC

On 3/11/2023 12:08 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>
> Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.
>
> As a Kinzal moves at about 3 Km/sec at about 15 Km high, before
> plunging almost at 90° over the target, do you think that Russians
> included Einstein's effects?
>

Why would they? 3 km/sec isn't a relativistic speed.

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 by: Richard Hertz - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 01:44 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:48:26 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 3/11/2023 12:08 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> > and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> >
> > Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.
> >
> > As a Kinzal moves at about 3 Km/sec at about 15 Km high, before
> > plunging almost at 90° over the target, do you think that Russians
> > included Einstein's effects?
> >
> Why would they? 3 km/sec isn't a relativistic speed.

It's almost the same speed of any GNSS satellite. Relativity, if it was true and not a fairy tale, would be a matter of concern.

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 by: Dono. - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 02:13 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.

Dumbestfuck

Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects. You shot yourself in the foot once again, crank.

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 by: Volney - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:32 UTC

On 3/11/2023 8:44 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:48:26 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>> On 3/11/2023 12:08 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>>>
>>> Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.
>>>
>>> As a Kinzal moves at about 3 Km/sec at about 15 Km high, before
>>> plunging almost at 90° over the target, do you think that Russians
>>> included Einstein's effects?
>>>
>> Why would they? 3 km/sec isn't a relativistic speed.
>
> It's almost the same speed of any GNSS satellite. Relativity, if it was true and not a fairy tale, would be a matter of concern.
>
Why would you say that? GPS satellites need extreme accuracy because 1nS
= 1 foot in accuracy, so 7µS/day matters. The Kinzal just needs
sufficient accuracy to be able to hit the public toilet it was targeted
at during its short flight.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:30 UTC

On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> > and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> Dumbestfuck
>
> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.

A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
"improper" just like the whole reality.

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 by: Volney - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 08:21 UTC

On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>> Dumbestfuck
>>
>> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
>
> A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
> no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
> "improper" just like the whole reality.

Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal.
Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 08:56 UTC

On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 09:21:17 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> >>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> >> Dumbestfuck
> >>
> >> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
> >
> > A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
> > no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
> > "improper" just like the whole reality.
> Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
> as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
> GPS uses 9192631774.1

Sorry, stupid Mike, but your moronic Shit is no way
predicting any effects requiring such a compensation
and is forbidding it directly.

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 by: Richard Hertz - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:49 UTC

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:21:17 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> >>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> >> Dumbestfuck
> >>
> >> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
> >
> > A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
> > no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
> > "improper" just like the whole reality.
> Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
> as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
> GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal.
> Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.

Maybe, as Putin stated months ago, Russian are using NEW PHYSICS CONCEPTS for guidance and else.

Can you REFUTE this? Really?

0.000000% probability of being true? Are you so cretin?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:57 UTC

On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 14:49:54 UTC+1, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:21:17 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> > On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > >>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> > >>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> > >> Dumbestfuck
> > >>
> > >> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
> > >
> > > A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
> > > no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
> > > "improper" just like the whole reality.
> > Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
> > as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
> > GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal.
> > Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.
> Maybe, as Putin stated months ago, Russian are using NEW PHYSICS CONCEPTS for guidance and else.

Pffff.

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 by: Python - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 14:06 UTC

One of the most idiots Humanity ever had, Maciej Wozniak, wrote:
> On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 14:49:54 UTC+1, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:21:17 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
>>>>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>>>>> Dumbestfuck
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
>>>>
>>>> A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
>>>> no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
>>>> "improper" just like the whole reality.
>>> Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
>>> as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
>>> GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal.
>>> Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.
>> Maybe, as Putin stated months ago, Russian are using NEW PHYSICS CONCEPTS for guidance and else.
>
> Pffff.

Russians seem to apply a concept created by one of the best logicians
Humanity ever had, Maciej Wozniak, his first principle : "everything
goes as long as I believe it". It doesn't end well for them.

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 by: Volney - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 14:56 UTC

On 3/12/2023 9:49 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:21:17 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>> On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
>>>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>>>> Dumbestfuck
>>>>
>>>> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
>>>
>>> A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
>>> no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
>>> "improper" just like the whole reality.
>> Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
>> as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
>> GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal.
>> Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.
>
> Maybe, as Putin stated months ago, Russian are using NEW PHYSICS CONCEPTS for guidance and else.

General relativity isn't new. It's over 100 years old!
>
> Can you REFUTE this? Really?

Refute what?
>
> 0.000000% probability of being true? Are you so cretin?
>
Any claim made by a Kremlin official is automatically refuted since the
Russians always lie.

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Subject: Re: Crank Richard Hertz shoots himself in the foot
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 by: Richard Hertz - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:24 UTC

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 11:56:47 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 3/12/2023 9:49 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:21:17 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> >> On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >>>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> >>>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
> >>>> Dumbestfuck
> >>>>
> >>>> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
> >>>
> >>> A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
> >>> no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
> >>> "improper" just like the whole reality.
> >> Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
> >> as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
> >> GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal.
> >> Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.
> >
> > Maybe, as Putin stated months ago, Russian are using NEW PHYSICS CONCEPTS for guidance and else.
> General relativity isn't new. It's over 100 years old!
> >
> > Can you REFUTE this? Really?
> Refute what?
> >
> > 0.000000% probability of being true? Are you so cretin?
> >
> Any claim made by a Kremlin official is automatically refuted since the
> Russians always lie.

USA has this technology, with undisclosed capabilities for military applications.
Why can't Russia have even better technology for Kinzal and Zircon hypersonic missiles? No GLONASS required for final approach.

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Re: Do Russians care about relativity with Kinzal hypersonic missiles?

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 by: whodat - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:12 UTC

On 3/11/2023 11:32 PM, Volney wrote:
> On 3/11/2023 8:44 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:48:26 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>>> On 3/11/2023 12:08 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to
>>>> show off
>>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one.
>>>>
>>>> Zelinsky is sad about how this "kabuki" war is going.
>>>>
>>>> As a Kinzal moves at about 3 Km/sec at about 15 Km high, before
>>>> plunging almost at 90° over the target, do you think that Russians
>>>> included Einstein's effects?
>>>>
>>> Why would they? 3 km/sec isn't a relativistic speed.
>>
>> It's almost the same speed of any GNSS satellite. Relativity, if it
>> was true and not a fairy tale, would be a matter of concern.
>>
> Why would you say that? GPS satellites need extreme accuracy because 1nS
> = 1 foot in accuracy, so 7µS/day matters. The Kinzal just needs
> sufficient accuracy to be able to hit the public toilet it was targeted
> at during its short flight.

Although it is inherent in your post I want all readers to be completely
aware that the difference is a matter of cumulative errors (GPS) vs. a
one time short term error (tactical missile.)

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:18 UTC

On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 15:06:03 UTC+1, Python wrote:
> One of the most idiots Humanity ever had, Maciej Wozniak, wrote:
> > On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 14:49:54 UTC+1, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:21:17 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> >>> On 3/12/2023 1:30 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 03:13:09 UTC+1, Dono. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >>>>>> They have used six Kinzal missiles in one day, recently, just to show off
> >>>>>> and also obliterate a NATO bunker at Kiev, days ago, with just one..
> >>>>> Dumbestfuck
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kinzhal rockets use GLONASS for guidance, therefore they use relativistic effects.
> >>>>
> >>>> A lie, as expected from relativistic idiot,
> >>>> no relativistic effects in GLONASS, it's
> >>>> "improper" just like the whole reality.
> >>> Sorry, janitor, but GLONASS is subject to the same relativistic effects
> >>> as the GPS, so it uses a similar compensation, for the same reason that
> >>> GPS uses 9192631774.1 Cs cycles to generate the onboard master signal..
> >>> Slightly different only because it has a different orbital height.
> >> Maybe, as Putin stated months ago, Russian are using NEW PHYSICS CONCEPTS for guidance and else.
> >
> > Pffff.
> Russians seem to apply a concept created by one of the best logicians
> Humanity ever had, Maciej Wozniak, his first principle : "everything
> goes as long as I believe it". It doesn't end well for them.

Neither for The Shit of your bunch of idiots.

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