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* Bonobos more static than chimps or HomoDD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves
+- Re: Bonobos more static than chimps or HomoI Envy JTEM
`* Re: Bonobos more static than chimps or HomoPaul Crowley
 +- Re: Bonobos more static than chimps or HomoDD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves
 `- Re: Bonobos more static than chimps or HomoPaul Crowley

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Bonobos are chimps.

"Chimp" isn't a species. There's Pan troglodytes and Pan
paniscus... though they are more commonly referred to
as "Chimps" and "Bonobo Chimps."

Some argue, quite compellingly, that even the "Pan" is
in error that they should be classified as Homo. Human.
A different species of human, yes, but human.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/659737255408287744

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On Tuesday 17 August 2021 at 08:12:23 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-00548-3

It would have been useful if they had also
compared with gorillas (and even orangs!).

I had a quick look for a physiological
comparison of chimps with gorillas and
found nothing useful. I suspect that
they are quite close -- much too close
for those who deny that the LCA of
chimp and homo was the chimp.

If anyone knows of such a comparison,
please post.

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Subject: Re: Bonobos more static than chimps or Homo
From: daud.de...@gmail.com (DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves)
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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:30 UTC

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:30:13 AM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 August 2021 at 08:12:23 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-00548-3
>
> It would have been useful if they had also
> compared with gorillas (and even orangs!).
>
> I had a quick look for a physiological
> comparison of chimps with gorillas and
> found nothing useful. I suspect that
> they are quite close -- much too close
> for those who deny that the LCA of
> chimp and homo was the chimp.
>
> If anyone knows of such a comparison,
> please post.

Bonobos are least changed physically from the common ancestor of orang/gorilla/chimp/bonobo/human, but they've changed too eg. Knucklewalking, faster brachiation, sex play, reduced pelage.

Note: Uniquely, humans and hylobatids have chins, drink water with cupped hands, and are obligate orthograde bipeds arborially and terrestrially.

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Subject: Re: Bonobos more static than chimps or Homo
From: yelwo...@gmail.com (Paul Crowley)
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On Tuesday 17 August 2021 at 20:13:10 UTC+1, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op dinsdag 17 augustus 2021 om 17:30:13 UTC+2 schreef Paul Crowley:
>
>
> > > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-00548-3
> ...
> > If anyone knows of such a comparison,
> > please post.
> 1996 Hum Evol 11:35-41
> "Morphological distance between australopithecine, human and ape skulls"

Thanks, but I was really looking for the
same sort of stuff as in the nature paper
-- main limb, head and neck muscles, to
see what has been lost or gained.

I doubt if there were any major changes.

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