On 12/12/2021 21:03, Savageduck wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2021, nospam wrote
> (in article<121220211428537627%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>
>> In article<sp5fjv$rgn$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
>>
>>> Unredacted is conducting
>>
>> once again, you are trying to hijack usenet threads.
>
> My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of “Boater Dave”. Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s. The only time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an unwitting response.

Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.

He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at the
power station end of the waterway.

In article <sp605o$966$1@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith <JS@AIOE.invalid>
wrote:

> >
> > My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
> > ³Boater Dave². Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s. The only
> > time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an unwitting
> > response.
>
> Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
>
> He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at the
> power station end of the waterway.

obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.

On Thursday, 9 December 2021 at 17:30:27 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> On Dec 9, 2021, Whisky-dave wrote
> (in article<f04d81b9-d580-49d1...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Thursday, 9 December 2021 at 00:45:53 UTC, Magani wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 8 December 2021 at 11:29:39 pm UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bloody Fahrenheit all I can quickly work out is how warmer or colder it is to the typical
> > > > temerature of developer I used which was 20C = 68f
> > > > So around 1C up or down is about 2f up or down around the 20C
> > > > but after about 10 C it gets a bit more difficult !
> > > >
> > > > Why the USA and a few other remaining countries still us F , I don't really know,
> > > > maybe something to do with old dogs and new tricks.... :-)
> > > A quick way -
> > > F -> C
> > > * Take degs F (let's say 100° because that's what it feels like here today)
> > > * Subtract 30 (yes I know it's supposed to be 32 but this is something to do in your head) - 70
> > > * Halve it - 35
> > > * Add 10% (3.5 rounded however you want) = 38-ish.
> > > (The 'real' answer is 37.7°C)
> > > Close enough for government work.
> > >
> > > For our Trans-Atlantic/Pacific cousins who still use F, the other way is
> > > C->F
> > > * Take degs C (say 10C)
> > > * Double it - 20
> > > * Take off 10% - 20-2 = 18
> > > * Add 32 (or 30 if your mental gymnastic ability is getting old) = 50°F
> > >
> > > Easy! :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Magani
> >
> > Why not use C like most of the world, it makes more sense
> > 0C freezing point of water 100C boiling point of water , pretty easy.
> > of coure ideally we'd use kelvin
> To Hell with it!
>
> I post my drone video work to this NG much as I did my photography, I thought it might be of some interest to somebody in the world of digital imagery/photography/videography. Unfortunately you seem to be more interested in the world of mind-fuckery.
>
> I used Fahrenheit because that is how temperatures are reported here.Sometimes I might state both ºF and ºC sometimes not. If you have a problem with that I really don’t care.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Savageduck

Not a problem just not very logical for most of the world, and of course F not what I'm used to since I was about 10
wondering why water didn;t biol in my dads greenhouse.
On another NG someone claimed that 5 deg was twice as cold as 10 deg.
We all (well most of us) measure the focal lenght of lenses in mm , why don't we use inchs ?.
Penis size seems always to be quoted in inches.
As for the distance a drone travels should it be miles, KM or a Nautical mile.
As for a drones height feet or Metres is ok above the ground but quoting it above sea level
may give a false impression.
The there's drink, wine in ml, but beer and ale in pints in the UK anyway.
Coke in 250ml or 330ml cans.
Yesterday at home I was using old BA size screws so ~1.8mm diameter, today at work I have M8 which is 8mm
diameter, but our wood screws No.8 are about 4mm.

On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 15:48:48 UTC, newshound wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 14:53, Alan Browne wrote:
>
> >
> > Facebook? People still being used by that?
> >
> YMMV but in the UK the local groups can be very useful for things like
> lost and found cats, dogs, and keys, information about road closures,
> bus cancellations (a big thing at the moment since our local company
> can't get enough drivers even without Covid, and some people rely on
> them for getting to work or school). You may have other platforms.

One post yesterday was someone shown steeling a recycle wheelie bin.
via the ring.comdoor bell 'footage'

On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 23:46:14 UTC, nospam wrote:
> In article <sp605o$966$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith <J...@AIOE.invalid>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
> > > ³Boater Dave². Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M..O.s. The only
> > > time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an unwitting
> > > response.
> >
> > Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
> >
> > He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at the
> > power station end of the waterway.
> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.

An interesting point is that seals are easily disturbed, in teh UK the public are asked to stay a certain distance from
them when viewing or taking photos, so a drone could be used I guess but you'd have to know something
about the sound levels at a certain distance you drone will make.

I guess most are used to dBs but I prefer my own unit of measurement which is a fart in a church in he next pew ;-)

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <sp605o$966$1@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith <JS@AIOE.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
> > > "Boater Dave". Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s. The only
> > > time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an unwitting
> > > response.
> >
> > Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
> >
> > He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at the
> > power station end of the waterway.
>
> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.

You've probably noticed he's using that on u.c.s.m. along with 'John
Doe' and 'Joe'.

--
Cheers, Alan

On 2021-12-13 08:17, Whisky-dave wrote:

> On another NG someone claimed that 5 deg was twice as cold as 10 deg.

A lot of people make this error. Appreciation of units is not universal.

> We all (well most of us) measure the focal lenght of lenses in mm , why don't we use inchs ?.
> Penis size seems always to be quoted in inches.
> As for the distance a drone travels should it be miles, KM or a Nautical mile.

Metres is better for hobby / photography drones. In Canada, private
flight is prohibited beyond 500m distance. A "quarter NM" doesn't mean
much to most people. (Actually max distance is where it is visible to
the operator or 500m, whichever is the lesser), max height is ... in
feet (due to aviation units used for that).

> As for a drones height feet or Metres is ok above the ground but quoting it above sea level
> may give a false impression.

Drone laws are absolute feet (or metres) above the surface in most
places. North American aviation maps are in feet, most references are
MSL, some are AGL depending on the reference (and many have both such as
tower and other obstacle heights).

> The there's drink, wine in ml, but beer and ale in pints in the UK anyway.

Tradition in the UK. North America is mixed US ounces or ml (litres),
though in the US you'll see US gallons, quarts, pints as well.

The legal system of weights and measures in the US has been metric since
1895 (ish) with the exception that "commerce" could continue in Imperial
and US units. Stubborn American commerce just stuck to easy for most
things and Americans generally don't care much. Science classes use metric.

OTOH, the US military and many (most) US gov't agencies are highly
metricized.

> Coke in 250ml or 330ml cans.
> Yesterday at home I was using old BA size screws so ~1.8mm diameter, today at work I have M8 which is 8mm
> diameter, but our wood screws No.8 are about 4mm.

Can't get to metric fast enough. A CONservative government here
(Canada), (20+ years ago) let a lot of metric requirements be optional.
So produce, meat is sold in both units. Really silly, but that's what
CONservatives do for their backward facing base.

The US is in good company worldwide ... Myanmar and Liberia.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On 2021-12-13 08:27, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 23:46:14 UTC, nospam wrote:
>> In article <sp605o$966$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith <J...@AIOE.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
>>>> ³Boater Dave². Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s. The only
>>>> time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an unwitting
>>>> response.
>>>
>>> Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
>>>
>>> He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at the
>>> power station end of the waterway.
>> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.
>
> An interesting point is that seals are easily disturbed, in teh UK the public are asked to stay a certain distance from
> them when viewing or taking photos, so a drone could be used I guess but you'd have to know something
> about the sound levels at a certain distance you drone will make.

I've flown within metres of deer in the wild, they don't react much to
it. Not in their enemy database.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

I wonder why instead of mm they don't just quote the FOV (in degrees) of
a lens.

Knowing that the lens of a smartphone has 5mm focal length tells me nothing.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article <IWLtJ.424017$yAUb.274188@fx13.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I wonder why instead of mm they don't just quote the FOV (in degrees) of
> a lens.

because nearly all interchangeable lens cameras were 35mm, so the focal
length became the metric to determine it.

build a time machine, go back in time and remedy the error.

> Knowing that the lens of a smartphone has 5mm focal length tells me nothing.

that's why it's specified in both actual focal length and 35mm
equivalent.

On 13/12/2021 16:07, Alan B wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <sp605o$966$1@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith <JS@AIOE.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
>>>> "Boater Dave". Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s. The only
>>>> time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an unwitting
>>>> response.
>>>
>>> Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
>>>
>>> He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at the
>>> power station end of the waterway.
>>
>> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.
>
> You've probably noticed he's using that on u.c.s.m. along with 'John
> Doe' and 'Joe'.

If you'd simply be civil and polite there would be no need to use either!

Btw, I thought it was John Smith - I'll have to check.

On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 18:04:30 UTC, Alfred Molon wrote:
> I wonder why instead of mm they don't just quote the FOV (in degrees) of
> a lens.

It does make me wonder as it would be logical.

At least they didn't use the width of a horses arse like they did for rail track widths ;-)
unless that is some urban myth.

The first camera I ever held had 120 film in it either 8 or 12 shots on a roll depending on the size you wanted,
think it was 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 or 2 1/4 x 3 1/2 .

Also remember how to roll the film on until the number showed through the little dark red window
on the back of the camera.

when buying my first SLR in the 70s seemed the standard lens was 50mm although a few were 55mm and the zenit was 58mm I think.
Fot interchangable lens camers but for fixed it seemed to be closer to 40mm

>
> Knowing that the lens of a smartphone has 5mm focal length tells me nothing.

well when I buy a phone I dont; really think about the focal lenght of the lens.
It is what it is I can;t change it so I likke it or lump it is the expression.
But cameras in most phones are pretty impressive provided you dont over expect
when enlarging the result.

> --
> Alfred Molon
>
> Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
> https://groups.io/g/myolympus
> https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On 13/12/2021 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2021-12-13 08:27, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 23:46:14 UTC, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <sp605o$966$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith
>>> <J...@AIOE.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
>>>>> ³Boater Dave². Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s.
>>>>> The only
>>>>> time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an
>>>>> unwitting
>>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
>>>>
>>>> He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at
>>>> the
>>>> power station end of the waterway.
>>> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.
>>
>>   An interesting point is that seals are easily disturbed, in teh UK
>> the public are asked to stay a certain distance from
>> them when viewing or taking photos, so a drone could be used I guess
>> but you'd have to know something
>> about the sound levels at a certain distance  you drone will make.
>
> I've flown within metres of deer in the wild, they don't react much to
> it.  Not in their enemy database.
>
Yes, I guess to a seal a drone would be no more malign than a seagull.

On 2021-12-14 08:23, Whisky-dave wrote:

> At least they didn't use the width of a horses arse like they did for rail track widths ;-)
> unless that is some urban myth.

Myth. But it's a fun to trace the space shuttle booster rocket
dimensions to the distance between two roman chariot pulling horse's
anus' ...

Look up Stephenson Gauge for the real story.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 16:16:09 UTC, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2021-12-14 08:23, Whisky-dave wrote:
>
> > At least they didn't use the width of a horses arse like they did for rail track widths ;-)
> > unless that is some urban myth.
> Myth. But it's a fun to trace the space shuttle booster rocket
> dimensions to the distance between two roman chariot pulling horse's
> anus' ...
>
> Look up Stephenson Gauge for the real story.

So not entiley untrue, but related to horses.

Stephenson's Stockton and Darlington railway (S&DR) was built primarily to transport coal from mines near Shildon to the port at Stockton-on-Tees. The initial gauge of 4 ft 8 in (1,422 mm) was set to accommodate the existing gauge of hundreds of horse-drawn chaldron wagons[14] that were already in use on the wagonways in the mines.

> --
> "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
> man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
> -Samuel Clemens

On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 16:09:19 UTC, newshound wrote:
> On 13/12/2021 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> > On 2021-12-13 08:27, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 23:46:14 UTC, nospam wrote:
> >>> In article <sp605o$966$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith
> >>> <J...@AIOE.invalid>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
> >>>>> ³Boater Dave². Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s.
> >>>>> The only
> >>>>> time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an
> >>>>> unwitting
> >>>>> response.
> >>>>
> >>>> Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
> >>>>
> >>>> He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at
> >>>> the
> >>>> power station end of the waterway.
> >>> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.
> >>
> >> An interesting point is that seals are easily disturbed, in teh UK
> >> the public are asked to stay a certain distance from
> >> them when viewing or taking photos, so a drone could be used I guess
> >> but you'd have to know something
> >> about the sound levels at a certain distance you drone will make.
> >
> > I've flown within metres of deer in the wild, they don't react much to
> > it. Not in their enemy database.
> >
> Yes, I guess to a seal a drone would be no more malign than a seagull.

I'd have thought any strange noise would Startle them, most animals
have a sort of list of sounds from birth and some idea of how to react as flight or fright.

On 2021-12-15 08:09, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 16:16:09 UTC, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2021-12-14 08:23, Whisky-dave wrote:
>>
>>> At least they didn't use the width of a horses arse like they did for rail track widths ;-)
>>> unless that is some urban myth.
>> Myth. But it's a fun to trace the space shuttle booster rocket
>> dimensions to the distance between two roman chariot pulling horse's
>> anus' ...
>>
>> Look up Stephenson Gauge for the real story.
>
> So not entiley untrue, but related to horses.
>
> Stephenson's Stockton and Darlington railway (S&DR) was built primarily to transport coal from mines near Shildon to the port at Stockton-on-Tees. The initial gauge of 4 ft 8 in (1,422 mm) was set to accommodate the existing gauge of hundreds of horse-drawn chaldron wagons[14] that were already in use on the wagonways in the mines.

OTOH, you'll find dozens of rail gauges in use at the time, mine to
mine, country to country.

In the end the gauge was chosen within a sweet spot of possible gauges
that met the various engineering/economic needs of the day.

Eastern Europe still has other gauges and there are a variety of border
changing solutions ranging from everyone/thing change trains, to lifting
the 'carriage' portion from one set of wheels to another to variable
width wheel sets. (I think Spain or Portugal also has an odd gauge size
on some lines).

--
Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no natural birds are
found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government. They
spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

On 2021-12-15 08:16, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 16:09:19 UTC, newshound wrote:
>> On 13/12/2021 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-13 08:27, Whisky-dave wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 23:46:14 UTC, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <sp605o$966$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, John Smith
>>>>> <J...@AIOE.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My filters & kill file have given me aUseNet experience mostly free of
>>>>>>> ³Boater Dave². Thread hijacking was/is one of his typical M.O.s.
>>>>>>> The only
>>>>>>> time I see one of his scribblings now, is if it is quoted in an
>>>>>>> unwitting
>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boater Dave has been very impressed with the videos you have produced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He suggests that you spend a little more time filming the seals - at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> power station end of the waterway.
>>>>> obvious forge. you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>
>>>> An interesting point is that seals are easily disturbed, in teh UK
>>>> the public are asked to stay a certain distance from
>>>> them when viewing or taking photos, so a drone could be used I guess
>>>> but you'd have to know something
>>>> about the sound levels at a certain distance you drone will make.
>>>
>>> I've flown within metres of deer in the wild, they don't react much to
>>> it. Not in their enemy database.
>>>
>> Yes, I guess to a seal a drone would be no more malign than a seagull.
>
> I'd have thought any strange noise would Startle them, most animals
> have a sort of list of sounds from birth and some idea of how to react as flight or fright.

Drones don't sound like anything else in nature so no reaction.

eg: Penguins don't care about people. Not in their database of things
that are a threat. Such as leopard seals.

And it's "Flight or fight".

--
Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.