physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...

Mitchell Raemsch

mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
> physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...

Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.

"God made the integers; all else is the work of man." -- Leopold
Kronecker

"Negative math wins." -- me

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
> > physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
> Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.
You must be hanging...
No. man species was created millions of years ago but that is still billions
of years after the mathematical Big Bang that proves God mathematically.
>
> "God made the integers; all else is the work of man." -- Leopold

God creates all math metaphyical... and Gravity.

> Kronecker
>
> "Negative math wins." -- me

Zero math does. There are no negatives below its absolute.
Negatives are just subtractions hidden or not in all equations.
with a zero limit...

Mitchell Raemsch

On 8/18/2022 2:47 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
>>> physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
>> Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.
> You must be hanging...
> No. man species was created millions of years ago but that is still billions
> of years after the mathematical Big Bang that proves God mathematically.

Oh shit. You were there to see it right? Or, did you read about it in
some book? ;^)

[...]

torsdag 18 augusti 2022 kl. 23:16:01 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch

Big bang was not mathematical.

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
> > physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
> Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.
>
> "God made the integers; all else is the work of man." -- Leopold
> Kronecker

"God created infinity, and man, unable to understand infinity, had to invent finite sets." -- Gian-Carlo Rota

FredJeffries explained :
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
>>> physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
>> Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.
>>
>> "God made the integers; all else is the work of man." -- Leopold
>> Kronecker
>
> "God created infinity, and man, unable to understand infinity, had to invent
> finite sets." -- Gian-Carlo Rota

I like this one better. :)

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:33:14 AM UTC-7, FredJeffries wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
> > > physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
> > Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.
> >
> > "God made the integers; all else is the work of man." -- Leopold
> > Kronecker
> "God created infinity, and man, unable to understand infinity, had to invent finite sets." -- Gian-Carlo Rota

Man has his sizes of infinities...

mitchr...@gmail.com laid this down on his screen :
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:33:14 AM UTC-7, FredJeffries wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> mitchr...@gmail.com explained :
>>>> physically back to the mathematical Big Bang...
>>> Man started at zero, so before man would be negative numbers.
>>>
>>> "God made the integers; all else is the work of man." -- Leopold
>>> Kronecker
>> "God created infinity, and man, unable to understand infinity, had to invent
>> finite sets." -- Gian-Carlo Rota
>
> Man has his sizes of infinities...

We mostly just use the little one.

On 8/20/2022 5:33 AM, FredJeffries wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022
> at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:

>> "God made the integers;
>> all else is the work of man."
>> -- Leopold Kronecker
>
> "God created infinity,
> and man, unable to understand infinity,
> had to invent finite sets."
> -- Gian-Carlo Rota

What if
we describe a finite thing,
and it happens that there are infinitely-many
instances of what we describe?
[1]

Are we in Cantor's Paradise or not?
Less poetically,
what sort of objections are there to this?

[1]
For example, consider
a collection 𝐹 with a counting-order
such that
𝐹 begins at 0
and
𝐹 ends _somewhere_

A counting order of 𝐹 is
a total order such that,
for each split,
a step i,i+1 exists such that
i is last before the split, and
i+1 is first after the split.

Each collection I've described
ends at a natural number.
Each collection is finite.
There are infinitely-many such collections
with infinitely-many natural-number ends.

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:47:53 PM UTC-7, Jim Burns wrote:
> On 8/20/2022 5:33 AM, FredJeffries wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 18, 2022
> > at 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
>
> >> "God made the integers;
> >> all else is the work of man."
> >> -- Leopold Kronecker
> >
> > "God created infinity,
> > and man, unable to understand infinity,
> > had to invent finite sets."
> > -- Gian-Carlo Rota
> What if
> we describe a finite thing,
> and it happens that there are infinitely-many
> instances of what we describe?
> [1]
>
> Are we in Cantor's Paradise or not?
> Less poetically,
> what sort of objections are there to this?
>
> [1]
> For example, consider
> a collection 𝐹 with a counting-order
> such that
> 𝐹 begins at 0
> and
> 𝐹 ends _somewhere_
>
> A counting order of 𝐹 is
> a total order such that,
> for each split,
> a step i,i+1 exists such that
> i is last before the split, and
> i+1 is first after the split.
>
> Each collection I've described
> ends at a natural number.
> Each collection is finite.
> There are infinitely-many such collections
> with infinitely-many natural-number ends.

The Gian-Carlo Rota quote is from chapter 6 'Combinatorics' in 'Discrete Thoughts: ESSAYS ON MATHEMATICS, Science, and Philosophy' by Mark Kac, Gian-Carlo Rota, and Jacob T. Schwartz.

The quoted sentence occurs in the concluding paragraph of that chapter, on page 62. That paragraph in its entirety:

<quote>
In conclusion, we should like to caution the reader who might get the idea that combinatorial theory is limited to the study of finite sets. An infinite class of finite sets is no longer a finite set, and infinity has a way of getting into the most finite of considerations. Nowhere more than in combinatorial theory do we see the fallacy of Kronecker's well-known saying that "God created the integers; everything else id man-made." A more accurate description might be : "God created infinity, and man, unable to understand infinity, had to invent finite sets." In the ever-present interaction of finite and infinite lies the fascination of all things combinatorial.
</quote>

https://books.google.com/books?id=bDUBCAAAQBAJ