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$180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.

https://bgr.com/science/new-genetically-engineered-houseplant-cleans-air-as-efficiently-as-30-air-purifiers/

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 by: John Larkin - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:01 UTC

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 08:23:57 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
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>$180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
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>https://bgr.com/science/new-genetically-engineered-houseplant-cleans-air-as-efficiently-as-30-air-purifiers/

Do the leaves wave around like fan blades?

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 by: Don Y - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:54 UTC

On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.

When they have one that can also do the windows...

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:32 UTC

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:02:10 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 08:23:57 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >$180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
> >
> >https://bgr.com/science/new-genetically-engineered-houseplant-cleans-air-as-efficiently-as-30-air-purifiers/
> Do the leaves wave around like fan blades?

They don't need to. You would be surprised at the convective air circulation that occurs naturally. No forced air required. Slowly but surely wins the race.

Here's another rather amazing technology:

https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/superpaint-air-purifying

The paint industry got hit hard by a combination of bad Gulf weather reducing their petroleum based raw materials, mainly resin, and the pandemic with all the people staying home having nothing to do but create record demand on paint suppliers. S-W has a major plant in "East Baltimore" producing 150,000 gallons daily, and they sell every drop of it. Not sure about now, but not too long ago they were rationing how much they would sell to individuals.
I can't speak for the air purifying performance but I can say their Superpaint line is very long lasting and lives up to all their claims- I don't see that they charge any more for the VOC absorbing version either. And buy one or two gallons and they always let you have additional gallons at substantial discounts- like 50%.

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:35 UTC

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
> When they have one that can also do the windows...

There are self-cleaning glass windows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cleaning_glass

Why overkill with a houseplant?

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On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 19:35:07 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> > On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
> > When they have one that can also do the windows...
> There are self-cleaning glass windows:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cleaning_glass
>
> Why overkill with a houseplant?

We have such glass on a conservatory roof. It does work reasonably well,
but the north facing slope gets noticeably more dirty than the south facing slope.
This is of course not surprising as the cleaning mechanism is photo-catalytic.
It needs cleaning twice per year as the self-cleaning is not perfect.

John

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 by: Don Y - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:09 UTC

On 11/13/2022 12:35 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
>> On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
>> When they have one that can also do the windows...
>
> There are self-cleaning glass windows:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cleaning_glass
>
> Why overkill with a houseplant?

Houseplants are easier to replace than SETS of windows. Especially if you
have LOTS of glass in your home!

I looked at installing photochromic/electrochromic windows and
realized it was easier just to close the blinds! :<

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:15 UTC

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:09:27 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 11/13/2022 12:35 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> >> On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>> $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
> >> When they have one that can also do the windows...
> >
> > There are self-cleaning glass windows:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cleaning_glass
> >
> > Why overkill with a houseplant?
> Houseplants are easier to replace than SETS of windows. Especially if you
> have LOTS of glass in your home!
>
> I looked at installing photochromic/electrochromic windows and
> realized it was easier just to close the blinds! :<

The weak point in modern windows is that blasted inert gas seal leaking.

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:23 UTC

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:50:23 PM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 19:35:07 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> > > On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
> > > When they have one that can also do the windows...
> > There are self-cleaning glass windows:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cleaning_glass
> >
> > Why overkill with a houseplant?
> We have such glass on a conservatory roof. It does work reasonably well,
> but the north facing slope gets noticeably more dirty than the south facing slope.
> This is of course not surprising as the cleaning mechanism is photo-catalytic.
> It needs cleaning twice per year as the self-cleaning is not perfect.

Well at least it cut the cleaning job by half. That's its main selling feature.

>
> John

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 by: Don Y - Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:53 UTC

On 11/13/2022 1:15 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:09:27 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
>> On 11/13/2022 12:35 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 11/13/2022 9:23 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>> $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
>>>> When they have one that can also do the windows...
>>>
>>> There are self-cleaning glass windows:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cleaning_glass
>>>
>>> Why overkill with a houseplant?
>> Houseplants are easier to replace than SETS of windows. Especially if you
>> have LOTS of glass in your home!
>>
>> I looked at installing photochromic/electrochromic windows and
>> realized it was easier just to close the blinds! :<
>
> The weak point in modern windows is that blasted inert gas seal leaking.

Yup. And some don't even have a thermal break between inner and outer pane.

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 by: Martin Brown - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 10:30 UTC

On 13/11/2022 16:23, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
>
> https://bgr.com/science/new-genetically-engineered-houseplant-cleans-air-as-efficiently-as-30-air-purifiers/

Although it is being sold as a Pothos aka Devil's ivy it looks to me
like the plant shown in the picture above is a sansevieria.

Their website shows the right species of plant IMHO

https://neoplants.com

However, the main claim to fame of this plant is that it is practically
indestructible and a common US houseplant ripe for exploitation of the
worried well. The claims made are unsupported by evidence and stink of
marketing bullshit.

The common spider plant will do exactly the same job almost as well for
next to nothing (and is endorsed by NASA for so doing).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorophytum_comosum

Sansevieria also scored pretty highly in these old NASA tests:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19930073077/downloads/19930073077.pdf

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Martin Brown

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 by: Martin Brown - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:37 UTC

On 13/11/2022 18:01, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 08:23:57 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
>>
>> https://bgr.com/science/new-genetically-engineered-houseplant-cleans-air-as-efficiently-as-30-air-purifiers/
>
> Do the leaves wave around like fan blades?

You want a telegraph plant for that. Codariocalyx motorius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codariocalyx_motorius
>

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Martin Brown

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daily fake by Fred

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50 UTC

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 5:30:36 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 13/11/2022 16:23, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > $180 for a pothos, and probably a small one at that, is a bit on the pricey side.
> >
> > https://bgr.com/science/new-genetically-engineered-houseplant-cleans-air-as-efficiently-as-30-air-purifiers/
> Although it is being sold as a Pothos aka Devil's ivy it looks to me
> like the plant shown in the picture above is a sansevieria.
>
> Their website shows the right species of plant IMHO
>
> https://neoplants.com
>
> However, the main claim to fame of this plant is that it is practically
> indestructible and a common US houseplant ripe for exploitation of the
> worried well. The claims made are unsupported by evidence and stink of
> marketing bullshit.

It's real, and they have big backers with scientific expertise:
https://www.genengnews.com/topics/genome-editing/synthetic-biology/neoplants-hopes-to-curb-indoor-air-pollution-with-bioengineered-house-plants/

white paper:
https://cdn.sanity.io/files/y50klc11/staging/90a83797763b9dc7a054ea6587a46d38cb08dcbf.pdf

Their technology does more than just remove the pollutants, but metabolizes them into nutrient material. And its the whole system of plant + the soil mix microbiome + that special planter pot for circulating air and watering.

>
> The common spider plant will do exactly the same job almost as well for
> next to nothing (and is endorsed by NASA for so doing).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorophytum_comosum
>
> Sansevieria also scored pretty highly in these old NASA tests:
>
> https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19930073077/downloads/19930073077.pdf

Those old NASA tests are what's bullshit. They achieved their air purification by sucking air through the potting soil. Well- of course that's going to trap airborne pollutants. Duh.

>
> --
> Regards,
> Martin Brown

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:50 UTC

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 6:48:52 AM UTC-5, a a wrote:
> daily fake by Fred

And heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeres' useless.

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