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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 17:24 UTC

Understand the theory of relativity.

Question 1 : Do photons exist between their source and their receiver?

What does human logic say?

This says that unicorns do not exist.

Hachel, he's mean: he's very, very mean.

He says that unicorns' proper time on earth is zero.

He notes Tr=0.

Thereupon: criticism, death threats, attempted fire of its premises,
etc...

For what?

Because that's how it is, because the world is crazy.

We don't want, for unicorns, proper time to be zero, which means that they
don't exist, neither in their frame of reference, nor in any existing
frame of reference.

Don't laugh, friends, you know Hachel.

We only laugh from a distance, and we are still wary of a hook or an
uppercut, even if his posts, they seem stupid.

He's a Hachel manure, he's garbage.

He could start talking not about unicorns, but about photons.

With the same principle.

And there, he gets boring.

R.H.

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From: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 21:57 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:

> Because that's how it is, because the world is crazy.

FYI, you are projecting,

Jan

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 by: JanPB - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 22:39 UTC

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 2:57:41 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Richard Hachel <r.ha...@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>
> > Because that's how it is, because the world is crazy.
> FYI, you are projecting,

It's the standard "I don't get it, therefore it's wrong"
infantile reaction. It's always a bit odd to see this in an
adult but whatever.

--
Jan

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 by: Mikko - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 09:40 UTC

On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Understand the theory of relativity.

Which one?

> Question 1 : Do photons exist between their source and their receiver?

The theory of relativity does not say anything about photons.

Mikko

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 13:18 UTC

Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>
>> Understand the theory of relativity.
>
> Which one?

Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.

Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.

- Newton
- Minkowski
- Hachel

Deux sont forcément fausses.

A noter que la première est réfutée par la perfection externe (elle
n'explique pas les phénomènes relativistes expérimentaux) et la
deuxième est pire (elle n'a pas de cohérence interne théorique
si l'on prend le voyageur de Langevin, et se trouve en défaut devant les
transferts d'information instantanés.

Reste?
>> Question 1 : Do photons exist between their source and their receiver?
>
> The theory of relativity does not say anything about photons.

J'espère que vous plaisantez?

> Mikko

R.H.

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On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 18:24:15 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Understand the theory of relativity.

Easy one, self denying mystical mumble of a
madman, rejecting common sense and (later)
basic mathematics as well.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 13:45 UTC

On 2023-03-24 13:18:21 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
>> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>>
>>> Understand the theory of relativity.
>>
>> Which one?
>
> Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.
> Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.
>
> - Newton
> - Minkowski
> - Hachel

We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known, and the
author of the undisputed Final Theory.
>
> Deux sont forcément fausses.
>
> A noter que la première est réfutée par la perfection externe (elle
> n'explique pas les phénomènes relativistes expérimentaux) et la
> deuxième est pire (elle n'a pas de cohérence interne théorique
> si l'on prend le voyageur de Langevin, et se trouve en défaut devant
> les transferts d'information instantanés.
> Reste?
>>> Question 1 : Do photons exist between their source and their receiver?
>>
>> The theory of relativity does not say anything about photons.
>
> J'espère que vous plaisantez?
>
>> Mikko
>
> R.H.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 13:48 UTC

On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 14:45:48 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-03-24 13:18:21 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>
> > Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
> >> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
> >>
> >>> Understand the theory of relativity.
> >>
> >> Which one?
> >
> > Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.
> > Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.
> >
> > - Newton
> > - Minkowski
> > - Hachel
> We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
> Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known

Who do you mean?

, and the
> author of the undisputed Final Theory.

And a lot of mindless, fanatic doggies with the
only ability of barking.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 13:54 UTC

Le 24/03/2023 à 14:45, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
> Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known, and the
> author of the undisputed Final Theory.
>>

I won't go that far.

Just to say that I've advanced a well-locked theory since Eintein and
Minkowski betrayed Poincaré more than they translated, and it seems so
strange that a man could do that than we believe. not.

Udem for my positions on other subjects: it confuses.

It is very hard to change human thought and it only changes with forceps
(revolutions).

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 13:55 UTC

On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 14:54:18 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 24/03/2023 à 14:45, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> > We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
> > Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known, and the
> > author of the undisputed Final Theory.
> >>
> I won't go that far.
>
> Just to say that I've advanced a well-locked theory since Eintein and
> Minkowski betrayed Poincaré more than they translated, and it seems so
> strange that a man could do that than we believe. not.

And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
bunch of idiots improper clocks keep measuring improper
t'=t in improper seconds.

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Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-03-24 13:18:21 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>
> > Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
> >> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
> >>
> >>> Understand the theory of relativity.
> >>
> >> Which one?
> >
> > Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.
> > Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.
> >
> > - Newton
> > - Minkowski
> > - Hachel
>
> We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
> Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known, and the
> author of the undisputed Final Theory.

And also the greatest historian of all time.
Who else could have discovered that 'Mein Kampf'
was really written in English by an Englishman?

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 14:57 UTC

On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:51:59 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-03-24 13:18:21 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
> >
> > > Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
> > >> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
> > >>
> > >>> Understand the theory of relativity.
> > >>
> > >> Which one?
> > >
> > > Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.
> > > Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.
> > >
> > > - Newton
> > > - Minkowski
> > > - Hachel
> >
> > We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
> > Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known, and the
> > author of the undisputed Final Theory.
> And also the greatest historian of all time.
> Who else could have discovered that 'Mein Kampf'
> was really written in English by an Englishman?

And that your ISO idiocy was really invented
by newtonian conspiracy trying to restore
"Newton mode"

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 by: Python - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:37 UTC

J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-03-24 13:18:21 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>>
>>> Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
>>>> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>>>>
>>>>> Understand the theory of relativity.
>>>>
>>>> Which one?
>>>
>>> Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.
>>> Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.
>>>
>>> - Newton
>>> - Minkowski
>>> - Hachel
>>
>> We are privileged in this group: not only a physicist to be ranked with
>> Newton, but also the greatestest logician humanity has known, and the
>> author of the undisputed Final Theory.
>
> And also the greatest historian of all time.
> Who else could have discovered that 'Mein Kampf'
> was really written in English by an Englishman?

Another participant is so a brilliant and dangerous man that
Microsoft is hacking his computer to remove doc files.

How lucky we are to read that much brilliant minds down
here !

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begin to move on your world line and you see an opposite appearance motion.
Only you have world line kinetic energy the appearance does not.
How can you moving... move other frames Einstein?

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 by: Mikko - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 16:58 UTC

On 2023-03-24 13:18:21 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Le 24/03/2023 à 10:40, Mikko a écrit :
>> On 2023-03-23 17:24:12 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>>
>>> Understand the theory of relativity.
>>
>> Which one?
>
> Il ne devrait y avoir qu'une seule théorie de la relativité.
> Il n'est pas normal qu'aujourd'hui il y en ait trois différentes.

There is Galilean Relativity, Special Relativity, General Relativity,
Eistein-Cartan theory, and others.

> - Newton
> - Minkowski
> - Hachel
>
> Deux sont forcément fausses.
>
> A noter que la première est réfutée par la perfection externe (elle
> n'explique pas les phénomènes relativistes expérimentaux) et la
> deuxième est pire (elle n'a pas de cohérence interne théorique
> si l'on prend le voyageur de Langevin, et se trouve en défaut devant
> les transferts d'information instantanés.
> Reste?
>>> Question 1 : Do photons exist between their source and their receiver?
>>
>> The theory of relativity does not say anything about photons.
>
> J'espère que vous plaisantez?

I don't.

Mikko

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