https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:18:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
>

That puts him about $200 billion above the average college grad.

I bet he has no student loan debts either.

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
>
>
> Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).

This isn't 1870 anymore, or haven't you noticed.

Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.

>
> Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.

Did I make any such claim? Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that's always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.

Outcome happens -> necessary condition present

Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:47:20 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:18:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> >
>
> That puts him about $200 billion above the average college grad.
>
> I bet he has no student loan debts either.

You'd be worth that too if you ran businesses that were as heavily government subsidized as his.

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
> >
> > This isn't 1870 anymore, or haven't you noticed.
> Is that relevant? There's more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
> > Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
> > >
> > > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> >
> > Did I make any such claim?
> You didn't make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn't say any more than your subject lilne.

Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?

> > Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that's always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
> >
> > Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
> >
> > Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
>
> That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
>
> You've got to have made some kind of claim before there's any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.

Who does this sound like?

This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise

They're in the process of packing up what little bit they've actually made.

Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....

A lot of the investment people fall back on the "...by Musk's calculations...." mantra. That balloon has popped, it's a friggin joke actually.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:54:43 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
>> >
>> > This isn't 1870 anymore, or haven't you noticed.
>> Is that relevant? There's more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
>> > Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
>> > >
>> > > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
>> >
>> > Did I make any such claim?
>> You didn't make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn't say any more than your subject lilne.
>
>Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
>
>> > Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that's always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
>> >
>> > Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
>> >
>> > Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
>>
>> That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
>>
>> You've got to have made some kind of claim before there's any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
>
>Who does this sound like?
>
>This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
>
>They're in the process of packing up what little bit they've actually made.
>
>Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
>
>A lot of the investment people fall back on the "...by Musk's calculations..." mantra. That balloon has popped, it's a friggin joke actually.
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Another Bloggs-Sloman sad-old-git insult fest!

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:39:02 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
> > > >
> > > > This isn't 1870 anymore, or haven't you noticed.
> > >
> > > Is that relevant? There's more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
> > >
> > > > Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
> > > > >
> > > > > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> > > >
> > > > Did I make any such claim?
> > >
> > > You didn't make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn't say any more than your subject lilne.
> >
> > Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
> Because that's what your subject line implicitly implies.

That's by your interpretation. For a while I've been noticing that something's seriously missing in this guy's brainpower on the few occasions I've wasted my time looking at his crap. Apparently a bunch of other people have noticed the same thing. Now we all know why. This has nothing to do with your ultra-simple interpretation of an implication.

>
> Musk hasn't exactly had a technical career - he has managed high-tech companies which isn't quite the same thing, since it involves getting people who are technically competent to design and produce high tech equipment, and engineering degrees aren't designed to instil that particular expertise.
> > > > Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that's always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
> > > >
> > > > Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
> > > >
> > > > Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
> > >
> > > That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
> > >
> > > You've got to have made some kind of claim before there's any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
> >
> > Who does this sound like?
> >
> > This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
> >
> > They're in the process of packing up what little bit they've actually made.
> >
> > Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
> Science fiction has played with the idea.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Through_the_Deeps
>
> I read it back in 1972. Larry Niven has picked up the idea more recently.
>
> There's been serious interest of a more technical nature. This dates from 1995
>
> https://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/suppes.htm
>
> It cites
>
> 11. Alscher, H., I. F. Boldea, A. R. Eastham, and M. Iguchi. Propelling passengers faster than a speeding bullet. IEEE Spectrum, August, 1984, 57-64..
>
> which I read at the time.
> > A lot of the investment people fall back on the "...by Musk's calculations..." mantra. That balloon has popped, it's a friggin joke actually.
> Musk clearly wasn't the first to do the Hyperloop calculations. What made you think that he was?

The fundamental physics of evacuated tube travel has been discussed and developed since the 18th century. Check the wiki article on hyperloop.

From what I can gather from a quick read, all the "hyperloop" developers have dropped out of passenger transport, it adds too much cost to the tube routing to manage accelerations to tolerable levels, and it's not cost competitive with the people transport they have now. But developers are actively pursuing freight transport via this mode. Germany, Port of Hamburg, is already negotiating specifics for installing a hyperloop to disburse their massive container traffic to the hinterlands.

People transport by hyperloop was never well received by the industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Criticism
The Boring Company is a flop.

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

The Boring Company was a cover for Musk building his secret super-villain underground lair.

The real transportation system of the future is my patent pending TrebuTramp system. I have to keep important details secret, but I can say it involves trebuchets and trampolines. We're working to get government funding to replace school buses. The kids will love it.

On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 16:42:56 UTC+1, Wand...@noplace.com wrote:
> The Boring Company was a cover for Musk building his secret super-villain underground lair.
>
> The real transportation system of the future is my patent pending TrebuTramp system. I have to keep important details secret, but I can say it involves trebuchets and trampolines. We're working to get government funding to replace school buses. The kids will love it.
Melon was instructed to collapse Twitter

On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
>
>
> Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).

Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever.

>
> Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, ...

He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
time is something only few people could ever do. He did.

Old saying: You don't have to know everything but you have to know how
to get that knowledge.

but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that.

I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.

[...]

> John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
>

So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What's wrong
with that?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:21:49 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
> On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >> https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> >
> >
> > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
> Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever..
>
>
> >
> > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, ...
>
>
> He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
> company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
> time is something only few people could ever do. He did.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/tesla-s-solar-roof-rollout-is-a-bust-and-a-fixation-for-elon-musk

His other crooked flop- nothing but scandals and hype.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolarCity

Look at that- government contract after contract after contract with that friggin mess of a faux business.

More scandal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Billion

>
> Old saying: You don't have to know everything but you have to know how
> to get that knowledge.
> but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that.
> I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
>
> [...]
> > John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> >
> So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
> Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What's wrong
> with that?
>
> --
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:21:40 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
>>
>>
>> Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
>
>
>Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever.

Too much education can be confining.

>
>
>>
>> Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, ...
>
>
>He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
>company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
>time is something only few people could ever do. He did.
>
>Old saying: You don't have to know everything but you have to know how
>to get that knowledge.
>
>
>but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that.
>
>
>I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
>
>[...]
>
>
>> John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.

No. I missed very few classes. We did cut some silly afternoon ee labs
and faked the reports.

>>
>
>So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
>Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What's wrong
>with that?

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:41:54 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
>
>
> Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
>
> Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! Hey Bozo, you aren't "ignorant" - you're STUPID! You claim to know MORE about flying gliders, with NO FLIGHT TIME, than myself, who is an acknowledged EXPERT!!

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:13:20 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:41:54 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> > >
> > > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
> > >
> > > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> >
> > LOL! Hey Bill, you aren't "ignorant" - you're STUPID! You claim to know MORE about flying gliders, with NO FLIGHT TIME, than myself, who is an acknowledged EXPERT!!
>
> I don't claim to know much about flying gliders. You do claim to be an acknowledged expert - but you are an anonymous troll who can claim what he likes.

Sure you did, Bozo - go back and review your posts.
>
> Any meaningful "acknowledge" would identify you by name, and that name won't the the nym you use to sign your posts

You know my name, so that IS NOT the issue. Now, claim that you DON'T know my name - I DARE YOU!

>
> You clearly don't know much about the subject - if you ever did senile dementia has wiped it from your mind. You are the guy who gets very rude about the stuff you think I've posted, which doesn't happen to be what I've actually posted but rather something that you didn't remember correctly, with your errors all making it easier for you to be rude about the stuff you have effectively invented to be rude about.

See, you now claim superior knowledge of the subject, but you can't even come up with basic elements, such as what determines the turning radius of an aircraft.

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:51:23 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 6:20:58 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:13:20 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:41:54 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
> > > > >
> > > > > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> > > >
> > > > LOL! Hey Bill, you aren't "ignorant" - you're STUPID! You claim to know MORE about flying gliders, with NO FLIGHT TIME, than myself, who is an acknowledged EXPERT!!
> > >
> > > I don't claim to know much about flying gliders. You do claim to be an acknowledged expert - but you are an anonymous troll who can claim what he likes.
> >
> > Sure you did, Bozo - go back and review your posts.
> Which would support me, not you. When I do it, you ignore the stuff you have got wrong, so I've largely given up bothering when it comes to you and your largely invented assertions.
>
> > > Any meaningful "acknowledge" would identify you by name, and that name won't the the nym you use to sign your posts.
> > You know my name, so that IS NOT the issue. Now, claim that you DON'T know my name - I DARE YOU!
> You've leaked *a* name. I'm not going to go back and try to find out what it was. Tom Slime works were enough.

I NEVER "leaked" a name, but you BRAGGED about revealing my real name - if you don't recall that then you are suffering from DEMENTIA even worse than I imagined!

> > > You clearly don't know much about the subject - if you ever did senile dementia has wiped it from your mind. You are the guy who gets very rude about the stuff you think I've posted, which doesn't happen to be what I've actually posted but rather something that you didn't remember correctly, with your errors all making it easier for you to be rude about the stuff you have effectively invented to be rude about.
> >
> > See, you now claim superior knowledge of the subject, but you can't even come up with basic elements, such as what determines the turning radius of an aircraft.
> It's not the turning radius of aircraft that's interesting, but the minimum turning radius below which one wing-tip stalls and starts flipping the aircraft into a spin.

Hey Bozo, you couldn't even get the TURNING RADIUS right, let alone a stall entry point.

>
> Fairly obviously this depends on the difference in airspeed from one end of the wing to the other - the longer the wing, the bigger the difference, but you deny that wing-span comes into it.

Hey Bozo, here is a hint: stalling DOES NOT depend upon air speed. Question: WHAT does it depend upon???

>
> As usual, your claim about what I posted was wrong, and you've moved the context in a way that makes you look less daft.

No, I was RIGHT, as USUAL.

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

> >> John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> No. I missed very few classes. We did cut some silly afternoon ee labs
> and faked the reports.
> >>
> >
> >So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
> >Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What's wrong
> >with that?

MUSK did need to graduate to learn what he knows. Many other brilliant scientists alike.
I was never brilliant, not studied hard and often missed classes and even accidentally missed a Thermodynamics exam but passed the makeup in Prof's office with a verbal Q&A.

But I never missed a stupid lab, even the one to make a staircase generator that nobody else got working because RCA had errors in their App Note. I read every ED magazine schematic with write-up to learn how to read. Now I can read any schematic from any country of origin (from those with similar experience).

That makes Schematic symbolism a universal language and I'm terrible with learning other languages.

BTW air stalling is caused by lack of lift from **excessive angle of attack of ** which depends on air speed, turbulence and wind yaw angle such as yaw spins and low air density turbulent and sheer winds.

Angle of attack sensors are often seen on the side of the body of large craft.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:51:23 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 6:20:58 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:13:20 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:41:54 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn't either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
> > > > >
> > > > > Musk doesn't seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can't be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he's remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
> > > >
> > > > LOL! Hey Bill, you aren't "ignorant" - you're STUPID! You claim to know MORE about flying gliders, with NO FLIGHT TIME, than myself, who is an acknowledged EXPERT!!
> > >
> > > I don't claim to know much about flying gliders. You do claim to be an acknowledged expert - but you are an anonymous troll who can claim what he likes.
> >
> > Sure you did, Bozo - go back and review your posts.
> Which would support me, not you. When I do it, you ignore the stuff you have got wrong, so I've largely given up bothering when it comes to you and your largely invented assertions.
>
> > > Any meaningful "acknowledge" would identify you by name, and that name won't the the nym you use to sign your posts.
> > You know my name, so that IS NOT the issue. Now, claim that you DON'T know my name - I DARE YOU!
> You've leaked *a* name. I'm not going to go back and try to find out what it was. Tom Slime works were enough.

Hey Fucker, I didn't leak SHIT - YOU were SO PROUD at having "discovered" my identity that you pranced around here for DAYS! Now you smear me which shows that you know EXACTLY what my name is SLOW MAN!!!!