Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

[It is] best to confuse only one issue at a time. -- K&R


tech / sci.math / Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

SubjectAuthor
* Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) PhysicsPentcho Valev
+- Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) PhysicsJake Cucinotta
+- Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physicszelos...@gmail.com
`* Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) PhysicsPentcho Valev
 +- Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physicszelos...@gmail.com
 `- Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) PhysicsPentcho Valev

1
Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

<1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=111000&group=sci.math#111000

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.math
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:164b:b0:344:513b:ffc0 with SMTP id y11-20020a05622a164b00b00344513bffc0mr21456947qtj.350.1661985308421;
Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:4249:b0:11e:843d:f6b1 with SMTP id
v9-20020a056870424900b0011e843df6b1mr2550837oac.221.1661985307525; Wed, 31
Aug 2022 15:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.27.150.145; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.27.150.145
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics
From: pva...@yahoo.com (Pentcho Valev)
Injection-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:35:08 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1831
 by: Pentcho Valev - Wed, 31 Aug 2022 22:35 UTC

Kip Thorne: "If you move toward the [light] source, you see the wavelength shortened but you don't see the speed changed" https://youtu.be/mvdlN4H4T54?t=296

"Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength [...] but a different frequency [...] to that seen by the stationary observer." http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node41.html

Which statement is true? In Einsteinian physics this question is meaningless. Both statements are acceptable:

George Orwell: "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."

https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/images-profile-flow/400/images-medium-large/split-personality-computer-artwork-david-mack.jpg

See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

<tep1ag$r7b$8@gioia.aioe.org>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=111020&group=sci.math#111020

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.math
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!HYYrpWsSwqlBYZ1wyNguLQ.user.46.165.242.91.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: aek...@tkuictaa.ca (Jake Cucinotta)
Newsgroups: sci.math
Subject: Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 01:19:12 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <tep1ag$r7b$8@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="27883"; posting-host="HYYrpWsSwqlBYZ1wyNguLQ.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Evolution/2.32.3 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0)
X-Face: %M2uS\s$_cMkwrVXsoYpa=RzNOi}3/GbD&c.e}z;F~"{{l<do%vYi&]lPL"XZp/;
3=qv=I?_"{yovIab@hhLCJ;X;Y#S#Y=y+i!=QO7Sdj}z^!56+-Th,F3J1|1!{o_l'nYv(mu
]u5aO9)w`6,)0'{LIt^{SA'X{A7qhie<!V,Y|{*t@,ogMz<<W%;(}8WnN?Vme8&/R+tS'L^
HBHq\{A;Rs>%Ju8PC:1_XATjWPC?;smn"%+^M9F"9GQrho`4`#o[j{GfKJnvx6f+,3oq$7
Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAADFBMVEUnKBvJyb1h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X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Jake Cucinotta - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 01:19 UTC

Pentcho Valev wrote:

> Kip Thorne: "If you move toward the [light] source, you see the
> wavelength shortened but you don't see the speed changed"

in america if you are smelling own shit, you are more inclusive.

WOMEN ENCOURAGED TO SMELL THEIR OWN SHIT ACCORDING TO THE MAINSTREAM
MEDIA.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/BUJprvneuzNM/

Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

<75ec78e0-b86b-41a7-a313-1e1c5ffd9f6cn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=111047&group=sci.math#111047

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.math
X-Received: by 2002:ae9:c112:0:b0:6bb:e7de:1bdd with SMTP id z18-20020ae9c112000000b006bbe7de1bddmr19302507qki.338.1662022154932;
Thu, 01 Sep 2022 01:49:14 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:aca:38c1:0:b0:345:8c44:f2bd with SMTP id
f184-20020aca38c1000000b003458c44f2bdmr2982101oia.80.1662022154659; Thu, 01
Sep 2022 01:49:14 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 01:49:14 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=185.61.156.48; posting-account=9KdpAQoAAAAHk6UQCkS1dsKOLsVDFEUN
NNTP-Posting-Host: 185.61.156.48
References: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <75ec78e0-b86b-41a7-a313-1e1c5ffd9f6cn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics
From: zelos.ma...@gmail.com (zelos...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 08:49:14 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 2128
 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 08:49 UTC

torsdag 1 september 2022 kl. 00:35:12 UTC+2 skrev pva...@yahoo.com:
> Kip Thorne: "If you move toward the [light] source, you see the wavelength shortened but you don't see the speed changed" https://youtu.be/mvdlN4H4T54?t=296
>
> "Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength [...] but a different frequency [...] to that seen by the stationary observer." http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node41.html
>
> Which statement is true? In Einsteinian physics this question is meaningless. Both statements are acceptable:
>
> George Orwell: "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."
>
> https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/images-profile-flow/400/images-medium-large/split-personality-computer-artwork-david-mack.jpg
>
> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>
> Pentcho Valev

Relativity is still correct and accurate.

Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

<5d7eb905-e21b-43fe-954b-d1931b958466n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=111053&group=sci.math#111053

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.math
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1452:b0:344:51de:cc10 with SMTP id v18-20020a05622a145200b0034451decc10mr22326105qtx.432.1662030367344;
Thu, 01 Sep 2022 04:06:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:aca:38c1:0:b0:345:8c44:f2bd with SMTP id
f184-20020aca38c1000000b003458c44f2bdmr3189020oia.80.1662030367014; Thu, 01
Sep 2022 04:06:07 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 04:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.27.150.145; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.27.150.145
References: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <5d7eb905-e21b-43fe-954b-d1931b958466n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics
From: pva...@yahoo.com (Pentcho Valev)
Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 11:06:07 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 2850
 by: Pentcho Valev - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 11:06 UTC

Kip Thorne: Newton's theory predicted no deflection:

Kip Thorne: "A second crucial proof of the breakdown in Newtonian gravity was the relativistic bending of light. Einstein's theory predicted that starlight passing near the limb of the sun should be deflected by 1.75 seconds of arc, whereas NEWTON'S LAW PREDICTED NO DEFLECTION. Observations during the 1919 eclipse of the sun in Brazil, carried out by Sir Arthur Eddington and his British colleagues, brilliantly confirmed Einstein's prediction to an accuracy of about 20 percent. This dealt the final death blow to Newton's law and to most other relativistic theories of gravity." http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3169&context=space-congress-proceedings

Sabine Hossenfelder: Newton's theory did predict deflection:

Sabine Hossenfelder: "As light carries energy and is thus subject of gravitational attraction, a ray of light passing by a massive body should be slightly bent towards it. This is so both in Newton's theory of gravity and in Einstein's, but Einstein's deflection is by a factor two larger than Newton's. [...] As history has it, Eddington's original data actually wasn't good enough to make that claim with certainty. His measurements had huge error bars due to bad weather and he also might have cherry-picked his data because he liked Einstein's theory a little too much. Shame on him." http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/04/a-wonderful-100th-anniversary-gift-for.html

All theoretical physicists (Thorne and Hossenfelder included): Who cares?

More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

<135470e1-f116-42f0-ba58-9ab5c6950c57n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=111054&group=sci.math#111054

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.math
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:488a:b0:6be:58b2:d30a with SMTP id ea10-20020a05620a488a00b006be58b2d30amr19303574qkb.732.1662031797438;
Thu, 01 Sep 2022 04:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:13d0:b0:343:56a3:cc2b with SMTP id
d16-20020a05680813d000b0034356a3cc2bmr3051124oiw.99.1662031796189; Thu, 01
Sep 2022 04:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 04:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <5d7eb905-e21b-43fe-954b-d1931b958466n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=185.99.3.200; posting-account=9KdpAQoAAAAHk6UQCkS1dsKOLsVDFEUN
NNTP-Posting-Host: 185.99.3.200
References: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com> <5d7eb905-e21b-43fe-954b-d1931b958466n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <135470e1-f116-42f0-ba58-9ab5c6950c57n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics
From: zelos.ma...@gmail.com (zelos...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 11:29:57 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 3070
 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 11:29 UTC

torsdag 1 september 2022 kl. 13:06:11 UTC+2 skrev pva...@yahoo.com:
> Kip Thorne: Newton's theory predicted no deflection:
>
> Kip Thorne: "A second crucial proof of the breakdown in Newtonian gravity was the relativistic bending of light. Einstein's theory predicted that starlight passing near the limb of the sun should be deflected by 1.75 seconds of arc, whereas NEWTON'S LAW PREDICTED NO DEFLECTION. Observations during the 1919 eclipse of the sun in Brazil, carried out by Sir Arthur Eddington and his British colleagues, brilliantly confirmed Einstein's prediction to an accuracy of about 20 percent. This dealt the final death blow to Newton's law and to most other relativistic theories of gravity." http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3169&context=space-congress-proceedings
>
> Sabine Hossenfelder: Newton's theory did predict deflection:
>
> Sabine Hossenfelder: "As light carries energy and is thus subject of gravitational attraction, a ray of light passing by a massive body should be slightly bent towards it. This is so both in Newton's theory of gravity and in Einstein's, but Einstein's deflection is by a factor two larger than Newton's. [...] As history has it, Eddington's original data actually wasn't good enough to make that claim with certainty. His measurements had huge error bars due to bad weather and he also might have cherry-picked his data because he liked Einstein's theory a little too much. Shame on him." http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/04/a-wonderful-100th-anniversary-gift-for.html
>
> All theoretical physicists (Thorne and Hossenfelder included): Who cares?
>
> More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>
> Pentcho Valev
not enough though

Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics

<aef43b16-1d23-455b-ac0f-33830a18e330n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=111165&group=sci.math#111165

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.math
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:11d2:b0:343:67a1:85e8 with SMTP id n18-20020a05622a11d200b0034367a185e8mr28097493qtk.11.1662121324531;
Fri, 02 Sep 2022 05:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:b698:b0:123:2825:859d with SMTP id
cy24-20020a056870b69800b001232825859dmr1908654oab.293.1662121324246; Fri, 02
Sep 2022 05:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!news.mixmin.net!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 05:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <5d7eb905-e21b-43fe-954b-d1931b958466n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.27.150.145; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.27.150.145
References: <1dad5156-4d1b-443a-8c0e-b0f1de741e2an@googlegroups.com> <5d7eb905-e21b-43fe-954b-d1931b958466n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <aef43b16-1d23-455b-ac0f-33830a18e330n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doublethink in Post-Truth (Einsteinian) Physics
From: pva...@yahoo.com (Pentcho Valev)
Injection-Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 12:22:04 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 38
 by: Pentcho Valev - Fri, 2 Sep 2022 12:22 UTC

In Einsteinian physics thesis and antithesis harmoniously coexist (doublethink). Theoretical physicists believe that the mass-energy equivalence formula E=mc² was gloriously derived by Einstein in 1905 and at the same time they admit that the formula has nothing to do with Einstein's relativity:

Brian Koberlein: "This led Henri Poincaré to propose non-electromagnetic stresses to hold the electron together. When he calculated the energy of these stresses, he found it amounted to a fourth of an electron's total mass. Thus, the "actual" mass of the electron due to its electric charge alone must be m=E/c². Poincaré's paper deriving this result was published in June of 1905, just a few months before Einstein's paper. Although the equation is often attributed to Einstein's 1905 paper, Einstein didn't actually derive the equation from his theory of relativity." https://www.forbes.com/sites/briankoberlein/2017/11/09/the-history-of-einsteins-most-famous-equation/

Hans C. Ohanian: "Although Einstein's name is closely linked with the celebrated relation E=mc² between mass and energy, a critical examination of the more than half dozen "proofs" of this relation that Einstein produced over a span of forty years reveals that all these proofs suffer from mistakes. Einstein introduced unjustified assumptions, committed fatal errors in logic, or adopted low-speed, restrictive approximations. He never succeeded in producing a valid general proof applicable to a realistic system with arbitrarily large internal speeds." https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0805/0805.1400.pdf

Philip Ball: "The biggest revelation for me was not so much seeing that there were several well-founded precursors for the equivalence of mass and energy, but finding that this equivalence seems to have virtually nothing to do with special relativity. Tony Rothman said to me that "I've long maintained that the conventional history of science, as presented in the media, textbooks and by the stories scientists tell themselves is basically a collection of fairy tales." I'd concur with that." http://philipball.blogspot.com/2011/08/did-einstein-discover-emc2.html

See more: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.81
clearnet tor