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Subject: Much ado about nothing
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If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
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 by: Dan joyce - Mon, 5 Sep 2022 00:03 UTC

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:22:12 AM UTC-4, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?

So many cases of near or after death experiences tells a similar mysterious story of life after death and
even a few cases where that person went to hell and was pulled back by a bright large hand and stating
it was not yet his time to die. This changed his whole life moving forward with a new outlook on life and
God. There are books on actual cases where a bright and a wonderful light is involved and also the
visitations of passed loved ones. Also a lot of the cases where and an out of body experience also
happens where they are observing from above their body being worked on to bring them back to life.
Why so many of these cases that happen around the world are so similar just boggles the mind.
There are many sceptics but these experiences are reported to doctors and nurses and family members.
Could it be a last mechanism of the human brain to soften the death experience?

Dan

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
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 by: Simon Roberts - Mon, 5 Sep 2022 00:30 UTC

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 8:03:54 PM UTC-4, Dan joyce wrote:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:22:12 AM UTC-4, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> > Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?
> So many cases of near or after death experiences tells a similar mysterious story of life after death and
> even a few cases where that person went to hell and was pulled back by a bright large hand and stating
> it was not yet his time to die. This changed his whole life moving forward with a new outlook on life and
> God. There are books on actual cases where a bright and a wonderful light is involved and also the
> visitations of passed loved ones. Also a lot of the cases where and an out of body experience also
> happens where they are observing from above their body being worked on to bring them back to life.
> Why so many of these cases that happen around the world are so similar just boggles the mind.
> There are many sceptics but these experiences are reported to doctors and nurses and family members.
> Could it be a last mechanism of the human brain to soften the death experience?
>
> Dan

Yes . then I believe so also from an evolutionary point of view it may be a survival tactic against enemies who would be satisfied if you were dead . these thoughts would have a calming effect on the victim in the face of adversity and may lead to survival if a person survived their injuries and was ignored by their killer by Apparent death. What do you think?

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
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On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:22:12 PM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?

Maybe nothing is a term that is relational/relative (it's related to other concepts
like everything) and it wouldn't have any meaning isolated from that context.
Just like 'simultaneous events' has no meaning without a related reference frame.
Simultaneous events in one reference frame don't have to be simultaneous events
in another reference frame.

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
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 by: Simon Roberts - Mon, 5 Sep 2022 00:39 UTC

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 8:36:14 PM UTC-4, sobriquet wrote:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:22:12 PM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> > Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?
> Maybe nothing is a term that is relational/relative (it's related to other concepts
> like everything) and it wouldn't have any meaning isolated from that context.
> Just like 'simultaneous events' has no meaning without a related reference frame.
> Simultaneous events in one reference frame don't have to be simultaneous events
> in another reference frame.
I believe they must be simultaneous in all reference frames because if you are correct and they are not the universe gets Mighty complicated Mighty quick I mean extraordinarily complicated to the point of ridiculous.

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
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 by: sobriquet - Mon, 5 Sep 2022 01:09 UTC

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 2:39:50 AM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 8:36:14 PM UTC-4, sobriquet wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:22:12 PM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> > > Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?
> > Maybe nothing is a term that is relational/relative (it's related to other concepts
> > like everything) and it wouldn't have any meaning isolated from that context.
> > Just like 'simultaneous events' has no meaning without a related reference frame.
> > Simultaneous events in one reference frame don't have to be simultaneous events
> > in another reference frame.
> I believe they must be simultaneous in all reference frames because if you are correct and they are not the universe gets Mighty complicated Mighty quick I mean extraordinarily complicated to the point of ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZsIwDXaN0E

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
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 by: Simon Roberts - Mon, 5 Sep 2022 01:54 UTC

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:09:50 PM UTC-4, sobriquet wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 2:39:50 AM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 8:36:14 PM UTC-4, sobriquet wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:22:12 PM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> > > > Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?
> > > Maybe nothing is a term that is relational/relative (it's related to other concepts
> > > like everything) and it wouldn't have any meaning isolated from that context.
> > > Just like 'simultaneous events' has no meaning without a related reference frame.
> > > Simultaneous events in one reference frame don't have to be simultaneous events
> > > in another reference frame.
> > I believe they must be simultaneous in all reference frames because if you are correct and they are not the universe gets Mighty complicated Mighty quick I mean extraordinarily complicated to the point of ridiculous.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZsIwDXaN0E

In order to move robot clocks you must accelerate them. acceleration might f*** them up in terms of synchronicity. Wouldn't acceleration affect almost any known clock to different degrees ? even Radioactive clocks which I find humorous since emissions of radioactive material are random inherently. An atomic clock on a tower may run at a different speed compared t o that lower down simply because the acceleration due to gravity affects the clock in some way other than what relativity predicts. It is not a verification it's a coincidence and i,d bet it is a bad one at that. I expect being ignorant the results of this experiment are all over the map and the error is great.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

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Subject: Re: Much ado about nothing
From: simonrob...@gmail.com (Simon Roberts)
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 by: Simon Roberts - Mon, 5 Sep 2022 02:01 UTC

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:54:12 PM UTC-4, Simon Roberts wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:09:50 PM UTC-4, sobriquet wrote:
> > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 2:39:50 AM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 8:36:14 PM UTC-4, sobriquet wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:22:12 PM UTC+2, simonro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > If nothing existed would it be empty space ; could there be nothing without empty space ? would ideas like logic still exist? These are thoughts that could help drive a person to insanity. They have always bothered and intrigued me.
> > > > > Onto why life exists at all in any way shape or form? it almost seems like an inevitability but why?
> > > > Maybe nothing is a term that is relational/relative (it's related to other concepts
> > > > like everything) and it wouldn't have any meaning isolated from that context.
> > > > Just like 'simultaneous events' has no meaning without a related reference frame.
> > > > Simultaneous events in one reference frame don't have to be simultaneous events
> > > > in another reference frame.
> > > I believe they must be simultaneous in all reference frames because if you are correct and they are not the universe gets Mighty complicated Mighty quick I mean extraordinarily complicated to the point of ridiculous.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZsIwDXaN0E
> In order to move robot clocks you must accelerate them. acceleration might f*** them up in terms of synchronicity. Wouldn't acceleration affect almost any known clock to different degrees ? even Radioactive clocks which I find humorous since emissions of radioactive material are random inherently. An atomic clock on a tower may run at a different speed compared t o that lower down simply because the acceleration due to gravity affects the clock in some way other than what relativity predicts. It is not a verification it's a coincidence and i,d bet it is a bad one at that. I expect being ignorant the results of this experiment are all over the map and the error is great.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity
By the way I have a silly proof too support synchronicity. Assume all events happen synchronously except one. This one event in SpaceTime would have had to pass the time of all other synchronous events . It would have had to pass through this time and hence be synchronous with all of the otherwise synchronous events.

Poorly written proof. please edit to be more coherent if you would like.

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