China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts, should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke. The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions, unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.

https://apnews.com/article/health-beijing-xi-jinping-shanghai-covid-5e6340710ba8b273b3be88d8844feed0

fake

Zero-Covid19 policy is a good policy

1 USA 100,507,928 +13,836 1,104,879 +81 334,805,269
vs.
103 China 311,624 +3,822 5,233 1,448,471,400

# Country,
Other Total
Cases New
Cases Total
Deaths New
Deaths Population

World 646,443,423 +239,042 6,637,629 +989
1 USA 100,507,928 +13,836 1,104,879 +81 334,805,269
2 India 44,673,170 +343 530,615 +1 1,406,631,776
3 France 37,686,603 +9,304 158,771 +95 65,584,518
4 Germany 36,419,717 +46,553 157,657 +162 83,883,596
5 Brazil 35,229,745 +17,710 689,601 +41 215,353,593
6 S. Korea 26,959,843 +22,327 30,413 +44 51,329,899
7 Japan 24,527,348 +56,791 49,281 +103 125,584,838
8 Italy 24,260,660 181,098 60,262,770
9 UK 24,000,101 196,821 68,497,907
10 Russia 21,579,812 +5,048 391,890 +50 145,805,947
11 Turkey 17,005,537 101,400 85,561,976
12 Spain 13,595,504 115,901 46,719,142
13 Vietnam 11,514,865 +333 43,170 98,953,541
14 Australia 10,647,069 +3,151 16,100 26,068,792
15 Argentina 9,727,247 130,025 46,010,234
16 Netherlands 8,539,297 22,907 17,211,447
17 Taiwan 8,278,363 +10,651 14,276 +41 23,888,595
18 Iran 7,559,634 +45 144,633 86,022,837
19 Mexico 7,125,176 330,495 131,562,772
20 Indonesia 6,653,469 +3,225 159,735 +59 279,134,505
21 Poland 6,351,407 +93 118,306 37,739,785
22 Colombia 6,314,769 141,895 51,512,762
23 Austria 5,550,575 +2,814 21,189 9,066,710
24 Portugal 5,542,265 25,450 10,140,570
25 Greece 5,360,506 34,178 10,316,637
26 Ukraine 5,336,293 110,505 43,192,122
27 Malaysia 4,988,759 +2,465 36,657 +5 33,181,072
28 Chile 4,912,805 +2,927 62,407 +30 19,250,195
29 DPRK 4,772,813 74 25,990,679
30 Israel 4,718,373 +2,083 11,845 +11 9,326,000
31 Thailand 4,707,244 +4,914 33,180 +74 70,078,203
32 Belgium 4,636,264 +817 33,057 +3 11,668,278
33 Canada 4,408,276 +2,218 47,781 +45 38,388,419
34 Switzerland 4,298,016 14,318 +1 8,773,637
35 Peru 4,229,179 +1,733 217,386 +16 33,684,208
36 Czechia 4,171,248 +69 41,813 +6 10,736,784
37 South Africa 4,040,980 +268 102,428 60,756,135
38 Philippines 4,034,686 +1,111 64,608 +13 112,508,994
39 Romania 3,296,834 +2,387 67,276 +23 19,031,335
40 Denmark 3,146,452 +997 7,524 +11 5,834,950
41 Sweden 2,626,686 21,002 10,218,971
42 Iraq 2,463,724 +703 25,364 +1 42,164,965
43 Serbia 2,422,181 +590 17,374 +3 8,653,016
44 Singapore 2,164,689 +817 1,702 5,943,546
45 Hungary 2,162,093 48,245 9,606,259
46 Hong Kong 2,101,888 +7,793 10,718 +26 7,604,299
47 Bangladesh 2,036,556 +29 29,432 +1 167,885,689
48 New Zealand 1,945,117 +3,864 3,297 +8 4,898,203
49 Slovakia 1,855,704 +40 20,729 5,460,193
50 Georgia 1,805,698 16,881 3,968,738
51 Jordan 1,746,997 14,122 10,300,869
52 Ireland 1,678,827 8,131 5,020,199
53 Pakistan 1,575,125 +28 30,630 229,488,994
54 Norway 1,468,663 +190 4,325 5,511,370
55 Kazakhstan 1,396,526 +84 13,693 19,205,043
56 Finland 1,394,254 7,265 5,554,960
57 Bulgaria 1,286,872 +288 38,033 +6 6,844,597
58 Lithuania 1,274,891 +28 9,432 +1 2,661,708
59 Morocco 1,268,440 +44 16,284 37,772,756
60 Slovenia 1,254,826 +416 6,930 +2 2,078,034
61 Croatia 1,253,087 +20 17,306 +8 4,059,286
62 Lebanon 1,220,443 +58 10,736 +2 6,684,849
63 Guatemala 1,154,211 +226 19,949 +1 18,584,039
64 Tunisia 1,146,991 29,268 12,046,656
65 Costa Rica 1,143,597 9,031 5,182,354
66 Cuba 1,111,379 +4 8,530 11,305,652
67 Bolivia 1,110,766 +65 22,246 11,992,656
68 UAE 1,044,058 +127 2,348 10,081,785
69 Ecuador 1,011,132 +1,174 35,940 18,113,361
70 Nepal 1,000,884 +6 12,019 30,225,582
71 Panama 995,726 8,519 4,446,964
72 Belarus 994,037 7,118 9,432,800
73 Uruguay 993,875 +988 7,537 +7 3,496,016
74 Mongolia 992,101 +277 2,179 3,378,078
75 Latvia 961,627 6,086 1,848,837
76 Saudi Arabia 825,497 +61 9,459 +1 35,844,909
77 Azerbaijan 824,245 +13 9,976 10,300,205
78 Paraguay 718,164 19,621 7,305,843
79 Bahrain 696,061 +147 1,536 1,783,983
80 Sri Lanka 671,651 +9 16,802 +2 21,575,842
81 Kuwait 662,672 2,570 4,380,326
82 Dominican Republic 649,834 4,384 11,056,370
83 Myanmar 633,196 +29 19,488 55,227,143
84 Palestine 620,816 5,404 5,345,541
85 Cyprus 614,237 1,226 1,223,387
86 Estonia 608,759 2,781 1,321,910
87 Moldova 594,754 11,913 4,013,171
88 Venezuela 547,396 +45 5,828 29,266,991
89 Egypt 515,645 24,613 106,156,692
90 Libya 507,084 +6 6,437 7,040,745
91 Ethiopia 494,520 +23 7,572 120,812,698
92 Qatar 478,047 +367 685 2,979,915
93 Réunion 476,088 902 908,061
94 Honduras 458,023 +347 11,043 10,221,247
95 Armenia 445,737 +106 8,710 +1 2,971,966
96 Bosnia and Herzegovina 400,501 +35 16,201 +1 3,249,317
97 Oman 399,027 4,260 5,323,993
98 North Macedonia 344,710 9,568 2,081,304
99 Kenya 341,515 +19 5,684 56,215,221
100 Zambia 333,721 4,019 19,470,234
101 Albania 333,330 3,593 2,866,374
102 Botswana 326,373 +29 2,790 2,441,162
103 China 311,624 +3,822 5,233 1,448,471,400
104 Luxembourg 297,757 1,133 642,371
105 Montenegro 283,663 +19 2,789 627,950
106 Algeria 271,079 +18 6,881 45,350,148
107 Nigeria 266,283 3,155 216,746,934
108 Zimbabwe 257,893 5,606 15,331,428
109 Uzbekistan 246,248 +390 1,637 34,382,084
110 Brunei 241,044 225 445,431
111 Mozambique 230,590 2,224 33,089,461
112 Martinique 224,468 1,071 374,087
113 Laos 216,624 +13 758 7,481,023
114 Iceland 207,171 219 345,393
115 Kyrgyzstan 206,530 +19 2,991 6,728,271
116 Afghanistan 205,787 +124 7,833 40,754,388
117 El Salvador 201,785 4,230 6,550,389
118 Guadeloupe 197,105 993 399,794
119 Maldives 185,618 +34 311 540,985
120 Trinidad and Tobago 185,237 4,266 1,406,585
121 Ghana 171,009 1,461 32,395,450
122 Namibia 169,946 4,080 2,633,874
123 Uganda 169,663 3,630 48,432,863
124 Jamaica 151,931 3,320 2,985,094
125 Cambodia 138,073 +10 3,056 17,168,639
126 Rwanda 132,643 1,467 13,600,464
127 Cameroon 123,993 1,965 27,911,548
128 Malta 115,775 +6 809 444,033
129 Angola 104,491 1,923 35,027,343
130 Barbados 103,955 564 288,023
131 Channel Islands 95,592 207 176,463
132 French Guiana 95,451 411 314,169
133 DRC 94,204 +367 1,455 +3 95,240,792
134 Senegal 88,859 1,968 17,653,671
135 Malawi 88,083 +10 2,685 20,180,839
136 Ivory Coast 87,885 830 27,742,298
137 Suriname 81,228 1,392 596,831
138 French Polynesia 76,899 +72 649 284,164
139 New Caledonia 75,183 314 290,915
140 Eswatini 73,770 1,422 1,184,817
141 Guyana 71,584 +11 1,285 794,045
142 Belize 69,048 +36 688 412,190
143 Fiji 68,375 878 909,466
144 Madagascar 67,054 1,411 29,178,077
145 Sudan 63,637 4,990 45,992,020
146 Mauritania 63,420 +1 997 4,901,981
147 Cabo Verde 62,991 +22 412 567,678
148 Bhutan 62,488 21 787,941
149 Syria 57,396 +3 3,163 19,364,809
150 Burundi 50,639 38 12,624,840
151 Seychelles 49,380 171 99,426
152 Gabon 48,972 306 2,331,533
153 Andorra 46,824 156 77,463
154 Papua New Guinea 45,819 668 9,292,169
155 Curaçao 45,559 295 165,529
156 Aruba 43,568 236 107,609
157 Mayotte 41,176 +564 187 286,259
158 Mauritius 41,042 1,032 1,274,727
159 Tanzania 40,471 845 63,298,550
160 Togo 39,328 290 8,680,837
161 Guinea 38,153 464 13,865,691
162 Isle of Man 38,008 116 85,732
163 Bahamas 37,476 833 400,516
164 Faeroe Islands 34,658 28 49,233
165 Lesotho 34,490 706 2,175,699
166 Haiti 33,846 860 11,680,283
167 Mali 32,758 742 21,473,764
168 Cayman Islands 31,194 36 67,277
169 Saint Lucia 29,550 404 185,113
170 Benin 27,922 163 12,784,726
171 Somalia 27,254 1,361 16,841,795
172 Congo 25,375 386 5,797,805
173 Solomon Islands 24,575 153 721,159
174 Timor-Leste 23,337 138 1,369,429
175 Micronesia 22,203 55 117,489
176 San Marino 22,167 +76 119 34,085
177 Burkina Faso 21,631 387 22,102,838
178 Liechtenstein 20,890 +1 87 38,387
179 Gibraltar 20,184 110 33,704
180 Grenada 19,613 237 113,475
181 Nicaragua 18,491 225 6,779,100
182 Bermuda 18,463 151 61,939
183 South Sudan 18,348 138 11,618,511
184 Tajikistan 17,786 125 9,957,464
185 Equatorial Guinea 17,182 183 1,496,662
186 Tonga 16,182 12 107,749
187 Samoa 15,967 29 202,239
188 Dominica 15,760 74 72,344
189 Djibouti 15,690 189 1,016,097
190 Marshall Islands 15,541 17 60,057
191 Monaco 15,339 63 39,783
192 CAR 15,311 113 5,016,678
193 Gambia 12,586 372 2,558,482
194 Saint Martin 12,034 63 39,730
195 Greenland 11,971 21 56,973
196 Vanuatu 11,952 14 321,832
197 Yemen 11,945 2,159 31,154,867
198 Caribbean Netherlands 11,426 36 26,647
199 Sint Maarten 10,931 89 43,966
200 Eritrea 10,189 103 3,662,244
201 Niger 9,931 312 26,083,660
202 Antigua and Barbuda 9,106 146 99,509
203 Comoros 8,941 161 907,419
204 Guinea-Bissau 8,848 176 2,063,367
205 Liberia 8,014 294 5,305,117
206 Sierra Leone 7,758 126 8,306,436
207 Chad 7,646 +5 194 17,413,580
208 British Virgin Islands 7,305 64 30,596
209 St. Vincent Grenadines 7,112 115 111,551
210 Saint Kitts and Nevis 6,552 46 53,871
211 Turks and Caicos 6,446 36 39,741
212 Cook Islands 6,389 1 17,571
213 Sao Tome and Principe 6,278 77 227,679
214 Palau 5,785 +101 7 18,233
215 St. Barth 5,336 6 9,945
216 Nauru 4,621 1 10,903
217 Anguilla 3,904 12 15,230
218 Kiribati 3,430 13 123,419
219 Saint Pierre Miquelon 3,248 1 5,759
220 Tuvalu 2,805 12,066
221 Falkland Islands 1,930 3,539
222 Saint Helena 1,806 6,115
223 Montserrat 1,403 8 4,965
224 Macao 797 +1 6 667,490
225 Wallis and Futuna 761 7 10,982
226 Diamond Princess 712 13
227 Niue 117 +9 1,622
228 Vatican City 29 799
229 Western Sahara 10 1 626,161
230 MS Zaandam 9 2
Total: 646,443,423 +239,042 6,637,629 +989

On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student
> crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how
> stupid they are.
>
> And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts,
> should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke.
> The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems
> for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record
> deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
> unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.

But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in the
wings, as far as China is concerned.

On Tuesday, 29 November 2022 at 22:13:34 UTC+1, Don Y wrote:
> On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student
> > crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how
> > stupid they are.
> >
> > And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts,
> > should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke.
> > The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems
> > for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record
> > deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
> > unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
> But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in the
> wings, as far as China is concerned.
what is over

Germany ?
4 Germany 36,419,717 +46,553 157,657 +162 83,883,596

South Korea ?
6 S. Korea 26,959,843 +22,327 30,413 +44 51,329,899

Japan ?
7 Japan 24,527,348 +56,791 49,281 +103 125,584,838

Taiwan ?
17 Taiwan 8,278,363 +10,651 14,276 +41 23,888,595

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:13:21 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student
>> crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how
>> stupid they are.
>>
>> And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts,
>> should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke.
>> The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems
>> for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record
>> deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
>> unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
>
>But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in the
>wings, as far as China is concerned.

Right. They have created a huge virus-nutrient population.

So in addition to the lockdown damage, they still have to deal with
the virus some day when they unlock.

This is Pride and Politics.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 5:52:57 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:13:21 -0700, Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >> China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student
> >> crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how
> >> stupid they are.
> >>
> >> And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts,
> >> should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke.
> >> The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems
> >> for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record
> >> deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
> >> unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
> >
> >But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in the
> >wings, as far as China is concerned.
> Right. They have created a huge virus-nutrient population.
>
> So in addition to the lockdown damage, they still have to deal with
> the virus some day when they unlock.
>
> This is Pride and Politics.

Where are you getting these crazy ideas? China has administered nearly 3-1/2 billion doses of vaccine. To date there have been 30,000 deaths and 9.6 million confirmed cases, making the mortality no more than 0.03/9.6= 0.3% , which is about half that of the west ( assuming they got the confirmed deaths right). That is extraordinarily good performance considering the super high population density there. And the record is that any variant showing up thus far capable of evading a vaccination for the original strain results in very mild illness and only very rarely serious illness and death. The most effective preventative against disease is personal mask protection, that one is 100% effective and 100% enforced. Let China deal with running China, they don't need advice from westerners, most of whom come from COVID disaster areas.
https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:00:38 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 5:52:57 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:13:21 -0700, Don Y
>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> >> China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student
>> >> crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how
>> >> stupid they are.
>> >>
>> >> And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts,
>> >> should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke.
>> >> The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems
>> >> for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record
>> >> deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
>> >> unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
>> >
>> >But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in the
>> >wings, as far as China is concerned.
>> Right. They have created a huge virus-nutrient population.
>>
>> So in addition to the lockdown damage, they still have to deal with
>> the virus some day when they unlock.
>>
>> This is Pride and Politics.
>
>Where are you getting these crazy ideas? China has administered nearly 3-1/2 billion doses of vaccine. To date there have been 30,000 deaths and 9.6 million confirmed cases, making the mortality no more than 0.03/9.6= 0.3% , which is about half that of the west ( assuming they got the confirmed deaths right). That is extraordinarily good performance considering the super high population density there. And the record is that any variant showing up thus far capable of evading a vaccination for the original strain results in very mild illness and only very rarely serious illness and death. The most effective preventative against disease is personal mask protection, that one is 100% effective and 100% enforced. Let China deal with running China, they don't need advice from westerners, most of whom come from COVID disaster areas.
>https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn

They should know. They invented it.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:00:38 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 5:52:57 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:13:21 -0700, Don Y
> >> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >> >> China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student
> >> >> crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how
> >> >> stupid they are.
> >> >>
> >> >> And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts,
> >> >> should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke.
> >> >> The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems
> >> >> for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record
> >> >> deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
> >> >> unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
> >> >
> >> >But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in the
> >> >wings, as far as China is concerned.
> >> Right. They have created a huge virus-nutrient population.
> >>
> >> So in addition to the lockdown damage, they still have to deal with
> >> the virus some day when they unlock.
> >>
> >> This is Pride and Politics.
> >
> >Where are you getting these crazy ideas? China has administered nearly 3-1/2 billion doses of vaccine. To date there have been 30,000 deaths and 9.6 million confirmed cases, making the mortality no more than 0.03/9.6= 0.3% , which is about half that of the west ( assuming they got the confirmed deaths right). That is extraordinarily good performance considering the super high population density there. And the record is that any variant showing up thus far capable of evading a vaccination for the original strain results in very mild illness and only very rarely serious illness and death. The most effective preventative against disease is personal mask protection, that one is 100% effective and 100% enforced. Let China deal with running China, they don't need advice from westerners, most of whom come from COVID disaster areas.
> >https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn
> They should know. They invented it.

Lol- in a pig's eye they did.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:48:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how stupid they are.
>
>And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts, should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke. The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions, unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
>
>https://apnews.com/article/health-beijing-xi-jinping-shanghai-covid-5e6340710ba8b273b3be88d8844feed0

History is rife with insane megadeath murderers and their cronies who
gain absolute power by being purely vicious.

Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, the Kims,
Putin, Xi are just a few recent examples.

Some pecularity of human behavior makes this happen.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:11:43 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:48:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how stupid they are.
> >
> >And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts, should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke. The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions, unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
> >
> >https://apnews.com/article/health-beijing-xi-jinping-shanghai-covid-5e6340710ba8b273b3be88d8844feed0
> History is rife with insane megadeath murderers and their cronies who
> gain absolute power by being purely vicious.
>
> Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, the Kims,
> Putin, Xi are just a few recent examples.

And the U.S. accommodated some of them (Pol) and would have been happy to accommodate all of them if they were friendlier.

And they purchased Louisiana from Napoleon.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/louisiana-purchase

>
> Some pecularity of human behavior makes this happen.

On 29/11/2022 23:15, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:52:57 AM UTC+11, John Larkin
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 14:13:21 -0700, Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/29/2022 7:48 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The
>>>> college student crowd is the main vocal group comprised of
>>>> idiots too stupid to realize how stupid they are.
>>>>
>>>> And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health
>>>> experts, should be criticizing China's policy for handling the
>>>> epidemic is a joke. The virus shattered the west, nearly
>>>> obliterating their health care systems for one thing, with some
>>>> very long lasting damage. Back breaking record deficits, labor
>>>> shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions,
>>>> unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
>>>
>>> But, it's largely *over* in the West. The fat lady is waiting in
>>> the wings, as far as China is concerned.
>
> It isn't actually over in the west. Covid-19 is still killing people.
> Places kept out the virus until they had got a lot of the population
> vaccinated lost a lot less people.

Covid is now only killing people in the West at about the same sort of
rate (and demographic of people) as a normal winter flu season.

> The US wasn't one of them.

Neither was the UK but we did quite a good job with rapid vaccination
even if every lockdown was two or three weeks too late to do any good.
We had "The Boris" who was a bit like Trump but more erudite and well
read but very much a Party animal as his political demise showed.
>
> China has a problem with it's less effective home-grown vaccine and a
> population that doesn't want to get vaccinated - like the US but even
> worse.

It is stranger than that.
It is especially the elderly who are refusing the vaccination there.
Their vaccine isn't great but it is still better than nothing.

>> Right. They have created a huge virus-nutrient population.
>
> The whole world started off susceptible to Covid-19. People stay
> susceptible until you vaccinate them. China didn't create anything -
> it has failed to vaccinate enough of it's population, and now that
> the virus has gotten more infectious, it has to vaccinate a lot more
> people with a more effective vaccine than it has got to prevent
> pandemic spread.

Even with the original wild strain you had to vaccinate >85% (according
to the Australian researchers). It looks to me like it is settling into
a dynamic equilibrium in the UK now with about 1 million people with
active Covid every week as a stable baseline. Waning immunity with time
providing new people ready for it to infect on a timescale of 6 months.

The shape of the bumps on the UK curve suggests maybe one more peak and
then it will settle down to a near steady state annual reinfection
pattern with some improvement in summer and a bit worse in winter.

>> So in addition to the lockdown damage, they still have to deal with
>> the virus some day when they unlock.
>
> But at least the technology is now available, if they can bring
> themselves to exploit a technology invented by foreign devils.

That would cut their death rate by a further factor of 3 if they were
prepared to do it. And a factor of 2 more if they could persuade their
refuseniks to accept the vaccine. However, I don't see that happening.

Japan seems to have made a much better fist of it. They are still very
cautious though with masks required at indoor public mass gatherings.
NHK still broadcasts the "How to wash your hands video" with monotonous
regularity. Nicely filmed but if you haven't figured it out by now...
>
>> This is Pride and Politics.
>
> Donald Trump style. Jane Austen popularised the phrase, and John
> Larkin embodies it - it's probably not a conscious tribute to Jane
> Austin though John Larkin does claim to admire her.

The French did something similar when Macron described the UK AZ vaccine
as "quasi ineffective".
National pride was at stake since the home grown French ones were both
useless.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 04:49:38 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:11:43 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:48:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how stupid they are.
>> >
>> >And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts, should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke. The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions, unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
>> >
>> >https://apnews.com/article/health-beijing-xi-jinping-shanghai-covid-5e6340710ba8b273b3be88d8844feed0
>> History is rife with insane megadeath murderers and their cronies who
>> gain absolute power by being purely vicious.
>>
>> Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, the Kims,
>> Putin, Xi are just a few recent examples.
>
>And the U.S. accommodated some of them (Pol) and would have been happy to accommodate all of them if they were friendlier.
>

It wasn't always obvious that they were butchers early on.

>And they purchased Louisiana from Napoleon.
>
>https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/louisiana-purchase
>
>

Is that some moral failing, buying land? Napoleon's claim of ownership
was doubtful anyhow, as was the claim of any colonial power to owning
peopled territory because someone planted a flag.

Putin wants Alaska back.

States within the Louisiana Purchase joined by, among other things,
votes by Congress and with consent of the local elected legislature,
which was and is a novel process.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:38 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 04:49:38 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:11:43 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:48:14 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >China has pretty much wrapped this problem up in a day. The college student crowd is the main vocal group comprised of idiots too stupid to realize how stupid they are.
> >> >
> >> >And the idea that "global" health experts, aka western health experts, should be criticizing China's policy for handling the epidemic is a joke. The virus shattered the west, nearly obliterating their health care systems for one thing, with some very long lasting damage. Back breaking record deficits, labor shortages and unrest, major supply chain disruptions, unemployment, and inflation, to name a few.
> >> >
> >> >https://apnews.com/article/health-beijing-xi-jinping-shanghai-covid-5e6340710ba8b273b3be88d8844feed0
> >> History is rife with insane megadeath murderers and their cronies who
> >> gain absolute power by being purely vicious.
> >>
> >> Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, the Kims,
> >> Putin, Xi are just a few recent examples.
> >
> >And the U.S. accommodated some of them (Pol) and would have been happy to accommodate all of them if they were friendlier.
> >
> It wasn't always obvious that they were butchers early on.

Sure it was.

It was also well-known what was going on in Ukraine with that man-made famine imposed by Stalin. Ukraine had record wheat exports that year, and the U..S. was one of the biggest buyers. Meanwhile the Kulaks were cannibalizing their children to survive, and over ten million died of starvation.