Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.

I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.

I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.

I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the camera inside.

Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.

There may be signal boosters?

I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would require to make the necessary components.

Thanks,
Andy

What do you scholars and inventors think?

Thanks,
Andy

onsdag den 7. december 2022 kl. 17.55.53 UTC+1 skrev AK:
> Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
>
> I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
>
> I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>
> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the camera inside.
>
> Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>
> There may be signal boosters?
>
> I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would require to make the necessary components.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
>
> What do you scholars and inventors think?
>

USB is max 5meter so you'll need an active extender cable and then you'll like have problems with power unless the extender has it's own supply

much simpler to just buy a camera with ethernet, most come with PoE so you only need the ethernet cable and can keep the supply at the computer ...

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 08:55:48 -0800 (PST), AK <scientist77017@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
>
>I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
>
>I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>
>I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the camera inside.
>
>Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>
>There may be signal boosters?
>
>I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would require to make the necessary components.
>
>Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
>
>What do you scholars and inventors think?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy

There are active usb booster cables. I use one for a cam at our cabin,
so I can see the snow and vehicles in the driveway. Total run from PC
to cam is maybe 35 feet.

Amazon has them. You could also use a USB hub as a booster.

Your thing may just work without a booster.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3ty4peee5vw911/Driveway_2022.jpg?raw=1

That's a cheapish cam, outside, and the colors get a little strange
when it's very cold. Good enough, I guess.

On 12/7/2022 10:25 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> onsdag den 7. december 2022 kl. 17.55.53 UTC+1 skrev AK:
>> Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post
>> a challenge.
>>
>> I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to
>> display it's videos/images.

Because you don't *have* a smartphone?

I.e., you can likely find an app that converts the camera(s) in
a smart phone to a wifi based device. Then, providing power
to the phone would be the issue.

>> I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>>
>> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23
>> feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the
>> camera inside.
>>
>> Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>>
>> There may be signal boosters?
>
> USB is max 5meter so you'll need an active extender cable and then you'll
> like have problems with power unless the extender has it's own supply
>
> much simpler to just buy a camera with ethernet, most come with PoE so you
> only need the ethernet cable and can keep the supply at the computer ...

+42

For individual cameras, PoE powered makes the most sense.
Note that you can also find PTZ cameras that will just
"drop onto" that sort of cable, later on, as your needs
change.

(And, you can support dozens of them instead of being
limited by the number of USB ports on your machine)

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 08:55:48 -0800 (PST), AK <scientist77017@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
>
>I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
>
>I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>
>I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the camera inside.
>
>Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>
>There may be signal boosters?
>
>I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would require to make the necessary components.
>
>Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
>
>What do you scholars and inventors think?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy

A USB isolator will serve as a booster - more expensive ones
without an external supply.

I've only used them in the middle of a 24' low data rate connection.

RL

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:06:00 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/7/2022 10:25 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > onsdag den 7. december 2022 kl. 17.55.53 UTC+1 skrev AK:
> >> Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post
> >> a challenge.
> >>
> >> I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to
> >> display it's videos/images.
> Because you don't *have* a smartphone?
>
> I.e., you can likely find an app that converts the camera(s) in
> a smart phone to a wifi based device. Then, providing power
> to the phone would be the issue.
> >> I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
> >>
> >> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23
> >> feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the
> >> camera inside.
> >>
> >> Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
> >>
> >> There may be signal boosters?
> >
> > USB is max 5meter so you'll need an active extender cable and then you'll
> > like have problems with power unless the extender has it's own supply
> >
> > much simpler to just buy a camera with ethernet, most come with PoE so you
> > only need the ethernet cable and can keep the supply at the computer ...
> +42
>
> For individual cameras, PoE powered makes the most sense.
> Note that you can also find PTZ cameras that will just
> "drop onto" that sort of cable, later on, as your needs
> change.
>
> (And, you can support dozens of them instead of being
> limited by the number of USB ports on your machine)

I have a smart phone.

I want to be able to view and possibly record video on my desktop.

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:41:17 AM UTC-6, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 08:55:48 -0800 (PST), AK <scienti...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
> >
> >I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
> >
> >I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
> >
> >I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the camera inside.
> >
> >Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
> >
> >There may be signal boosters?
> >
> >I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would require to make the necessary components.
> >
> >Thanks,
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> >What do you scholars and inventors think?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Andy
> There are active usb booster cables. I use one for a cam at our cabin,
> so I can see the snow and vehicles in the driveway. Total run from PC
> to cam is maybe 35 feet.
>
> Amazon has them. You could also use a USB hub as a booster.
>
> Your thing may just work without a booster.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3ty4peee5vw911/Driveway_2022.jpg?raw=1
>
> That's a cheapish cam, outside, and the colors get a little strange
> when it's very cold. Good enough, I guess.

You get the gold star for your ideas.

I found this, but I am not sure if this is what I need.

https://tripplite.eaton.com/usb-c-active-extension-cable-usb-c-usb-a-10m-32-ft~U33010M1

I have a usb 3.0 port on the front of my desktop and one in the back.

My plan would be to run the cable across the ceiling to the front window.

I do not care how "tacky" it looks. :-)

I would aim the webcam from inside and avoid issues of weather, even though I have a covered porch.

Andy

On 12/7/2022 3:14 PM, AK wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:06:00 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
>> On 12/7/2022 10:25 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>> onsdag den 7. december 2022 kl. 17.55.53 UTC+1 skrev AK:
>>>> Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post
>>>> a challenge.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to
>>>> display it's videos/images.
>> Because you don't *have* a smartphone?
>>
>> I.e., you can likely find an app that converts the camera(s) in
>> a smart phone to a wifi based device. Then, providing power
>> to the phone would be the issue.
>>>> I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23
>>>> feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the
>>>> camera inside.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>>>>
>>>> There may be signal boosters?
>>>
>>> USB is max 5meter so you'll need an active extender cable and then you'll
>>> like have problems with power unless the extender has it's own supply
>>>
>>> much simpler to just buy a camera with ethernet, most come with PoE so you
>>> only need the ethernet cable and can keep the supply at the computer ...
>> +42
>>
>> For individual cameras, PoE powered makes the most sense.
>> Note that you can also find PTZ cameras that will just
>> "drop onto" that sort of cable, later on, as your needs
>> change.
>>
>> (And, you can support dozens of them instead of being
>> limited by the number of USB ports on your machine)
>
> I have a smart phone.
>
> I want to be able to view and possibly record video on my desktop.

Then don't discount the value of having video sourced over
the network (wired PoE or wireless wifi). It will then
be available on every machine in your network, instead of just
the one machine to which a USB device would connect.

On 12/7/2022 3:20 PM, Don Y wrote:

>>> I.e., you can likely find an app that converts the camera(s) in
>>> a smart phone to a wifi based device. Then, providing power
>>> to the phone would be the issue.

E.g.,

<https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/use-your-android-as-streaming-wi-fi-camera-0161103/>

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:20:34 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/7/2022 3:14 PM, AK wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:06:00 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
> >> On 12/7/2022 10:25 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >>> onsdag den 7. december 2022 kl. 17.55.53 UTC+1 skrev AK:
> >>>> Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post
> >>>> a challenge.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to
> >>>> display it's videos/images.
> >> Because you don't *have* a smartphone?
> >>
> >> I.e., you can likely find an app that converts the camera(s) in
> >> a smart phone to a wifi based device. Then, providing power
> >> to the phone would be the issue.
> >>>> I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23
> >>>> feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the
> >>>> camera inside.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
> >>>>
> >>>> There may be signal boosters?
> >>>
> >>> USB is max 5meter so you'll need an active extender cable and then you'll
> >>> like have problems with power unless the extender has it's own supply
> >>>
> >>> much simpler to just buy a camera with ethernet, most come with PoE so you
> >>> only need the ethernet cable and can keep the supply at the computer ...
> >> +42
> >>
> >> For individual cameras, PoE powered makes the most sense.
> >> Note that you can also find PTZ cameras that will just
> >> "drop onto" that sort of cable, later on, as your needs
> >> change.
> >>
> >> (And, you can support dozens of them instead of being
> >> limited by the number of USB ports on your machine)
> >
> > I have a smart phone.
> >
> > I want to be able to view and possibly record video on my desktop.
> Then don't discount the value of having video sourced over
> the network (wired PoE or wireless wifi). It will then
> be available on every machine in your network, instead of just
> the one machine to which a USB device would connect.
I did not think I was discounting anything.

I have only a single computer.

Andy

On 12/7/2022 4:33 PM, AK wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:20:34 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
>> On 12/7/2022 3:14 PM, AK wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:06:00 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2022 10:25 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>> onsdag den 7. december 2022 kl. 17.55.53 UTC+1 skrev AK:
>>>>>> Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post
>>>>>> a challenge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to
>>>>>> display it's videos/images.
>>>> Because you don't *have* a smartphone?
>>>>
>>>> I.e., you can likely find an app that converts the camera(s) in
>>>> a smart phone to a wifi based device. Then, providing power
>>>> to the phone would be the issue.
>>>>>> I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23
>>>>>> feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the
>>>>>> camera inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There may be signal boosters?
>>>>>
>>>>> USB is max 5meter so you'll need an active extender cable and then you'll
>>>>> like have problems with power unless the extender has it's own supply
>>>>>
>>>>> much simpler to just buy a camera with ethernet, most come with PoE so you
>>>>> only need the ethernet cable and can keep the supply at the computer ...
>>>> +42
>>>>
>>>> For individual cameras, PoE powered makes the most sense.
>>>> Note that you can also find PTZ cameras that will just
>>>> "drop onto" that sort of cable, later on, as your needs
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>> (And, you can support dozens of them instead of being
>>>> limited by the number of USB ports on your machine)
>>>
>>> I have a smart phone.
>>>
>>> I want to be able to view and possibly record video on my desktop.
>> Then don't discount the value of having video sourced over
>> the network (wired PoE or wireless wifi). It will then
>> be available on every machine in your network, instead of just
>> the one machine to which a USB device would connect.
> I did not think I was discounting anything.
>
> I have only a single computer.

Then you won't want to get involved with *any* of the networking stuff
(PoE/WiFi cameras) as that quickly leads to a rabbit hole of possibilities:
- how do I add a second?
- how do I view on my TV?
- how do I view on my phone?
- how do I view when I'm 2000 miles away?
- how do I cast my TV onto my phone?
- how do I cast my PC to my TV so I can watch YouTube videos?
- how do I keep my neighbors from seeing this stuff?
- how do I block "outsiders" from accessing it over the 'net?
etc.

On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Dec 2022 08:55:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote in
<2ee2b7ac-183a-42da-be1c-b3e17f3a6875n@googlegroups.com>:

>Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
>
>I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
>
>I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>
>I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window.
>I would mount the camera inside.
>
>Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>
>There may be signal boosters?
>
>I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would
>require to make the necessary components.
>
>Thanks,
> Andy

I have several Sony Super HAD cameras in use that have analog out,
20 m 75 ohm cable or just simple cinch audio cable will work.

To view the cams I use a cheap 4 input Chinese security recorder that also had HDMI out and an Ethernet port connected to the LAN
A Raspberry Pi connected to the LAN records everything to a harddisk.

But I also have a cheap analog to USB converter stick, mind you if you buy one of those go for the high resolution.

Also here several webcams with ethernet, those are as cheap as 25$ these days and can be remotely controlled,
have sound, and IR lights so can see in the dark,
Those come with software, will work on any Linux system too.
google 'Ethernet webcam'

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:03:55 AM UTC-6, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Dec 2022 08:55:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened AK
> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <2ee2b7ac-183a-42da...@googlegroups.com>:
> >Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
> >
> >I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
> >
> >I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
> >
> >I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window.
> >I would mount the camera inside.
> >
> >Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
> >
> >There may be signal boosters?
> >
> >I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would
> >require to make the necessary components.
> >
> >Thanks,
> > Andy
> I have several Sony Super HAD cameras in use that have analog out,
> 20 m 75 ohm cable or just simple cinch audio cable will work.
>
> To view the cams I use a cheap 4 input Chinese security recorder that also had HDMI out and an Ethernet port connected to the LAN
> A Raspberry Pi connected to the LAN records everything to a harddisk.
>
> But I also have a cheap analog to USB converter stick, mind you if you buy one of those go for the high resolution.
>
> Also here several webcams with ethernet, those are as cheap as 25$ these days and can be remotely controlled,
> have sound, and IR lights so can see in the dark,
> Those come with software, will work on any Linux system too.
> google 'Ethernet webcam'
I would be interested in the links to those products.

Andy

On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Dec 2022 23:20:10 -0800 (PST)) it happened AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote in
<2a19e54e-cd6d-495e-8af3-f2ba078d4dc9n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:03:55 AM UTC-6, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Dec 2022 08:55:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened AK
>> <scienti...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <2ee2b7ac-183a-42da...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >Because there are some pretty sharp "cookies" here, I thought I would post a challenge.
>> >
>> >I am looking for a camera that does NOT require a smart phone in order to display it's videos/images.
>> >
>> >I have a Microsoft Webcam HD 500 and it has a usb connector.
>> >
>> >I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my
>> >window.
>> >I would mount the camera inside.
>> >
>> >Not sure if there will be a signal loss too great for that distance.
>> >
>> >There may be signal boosters?
>> >
>> >I have a soldering station, and various electronic components such as resistors, caps, blank circuit boards, etc. if I would
>> >
>> >require to make the necessary components.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> > Andy
>> I have several Sony Super HAD cameras in use that have analog out,
>> 20 m 75 ohm cable or just simple cinch audio cable will work.
>>
>> To view the cams I use a cheap 4 input Chinese security recorder that also had HDMI out and an Ethernet port connected to the
>> LAN
>> A Raspberry Pi connected to the LAN records everything to a harddisk.
>>
>> But I also have a cheap analog to USB converter stick, mind you if you buy one of those go for the high resolution.
>>
>> Also here several webcams with ethernet, those are as cheap as 25$ these days and can be remotely controlled,
>> have sound, and IR lights so can see in the dark,
>> Those come with software, will work on any Linux system too.
>> google 'Ethernet webcam'
>I would be interested in the links to those products.
>
>Andy

Much of the stuff I have comes from ebay, some from Aliexpres
ebay has a search window:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ethernet+webcam&_sacat=0&_sop=15
you can search for security recorder sony suoerHAD etc too

On 2022-12-07, AK <scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am thinking I might be able to get a cable extension that is at least 23 feet so I can run it across my ceiling to my window. I would mount the camera inside.

cables with boosters are readily available off the shelf.

--
Jasen.