Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
https://www.repair.org/stand-up
Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/

Not hack, just good repair practices.

Check it often and fix it quickly. If you wait too long, you might have to replace a bank of 64 cells. You don't really want to replace it with new modules, but just the cells with same capacity left. I got hundreds of (S/X)cells between 70% to 90%. I am sure there will be one very close to match..

I can come to fix any Tesla anywhere in the west coast, as long as my Leaf can reach it.

On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:32:56 UTC+1, Flyguy wrote:
> Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
self-diagnostic piece of software can be connected to BMS bus
to produce individual cell test results
as depicted in this image

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/09/Screen-Shot-2021-09-13-at-1.12.01-PM.jpg?resize=1536,937

On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:54:22 UTC+1, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> Not hack, just good repair practices.
>
> Check it often and fix it quickly. If you wait too long, you might have to replace a bank of 64 cells. You don't really want to replace it with new modules, but just the cells with same capacity left. I got hundreds of (S/X)cells between 70% to 90%. I am sure there will be one very close to match.
>
> I can come to fix any Tesla anywhere in the west coast, as long as my Leaf can reach it.
Capacity is one parameter, and internal resistance is another, and the temperature of the cell during charging is a third parameter, and so on.

Never risk fire in your Tesla

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:32:56 UTC+1, Flyguy wrote:
> > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> self-diagnostic piece of software can be connected to BMS bus
> to produce individual cell test results
> as depicted in this image
>
> https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/09/Screen-Shot-2021-09-13-at-1.12.01-PM.jpg?resize=1536,937

You can check it with TM-spy or equivalence.

Once the battery pack is unmounted and disassembled, all you need is a multimeter and soldering iron to fix it.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:54:22 UTC+1, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > Not hack, just good repair practices.
> >
> > Check it often and fix it quickly. If you wait too long, you might have to replace a bank of 64 cells. You don't really want to replace it with new modules, but just the cells with same capacity left. I got hundreds of (S/X)cells between 70% to 90%. I am sure there will be one very close to match.
> >
> > I can come to fix any Tesla anywhere in the west coast, as long as my Leaf can reach it.
> Capacity is one parameter, and internal resistance is another, and the temperature of the cell during charging is a third parameter, and so on.
>
> Never risk fire in your Tesla

Yes, you can junk it and burn $20K.

Remaining capacity is the critical factor. Internal resistance is small and insignificant in most cases. Temperature (related to IR) is not an issue as long as you don't charge it to 100%.

On Wednesday, 7 December 2022 at 00:10:23 UTC+1, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:54:22 UTC+1, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > > Not hack, just good repair practices.
> > >
> > > Check it often and fix it quickly. If you wait too long, you might have to replace a bank of 64 cells. You don't really want to replace it with new modules, but just the cells with same capacity left. I got hundreds of (S/X)cells between 70% to 90%. I am sure there will be one very close to match.
> > >
> > > I can come to fix any Tesla anywhere in the west coast, as long as my Leaf can reach it.
> > Capacity is one parameter, and internal resistance is another, and the temperature of the cell during charging is a third parameter, and so on.
> >
> > Never risk fire in your Tesla
> Yes, you can junk it and burn $20K.
>
> Remaining capacity is the critical factor. Internal resistance is small and insignificant in most cases. Temperature (related to IR) is not an issue as long as you don't charge it to 100%.
In UPS lead gel batteries are wired in strings and you always replace the full stock.

Never buy EV ;)

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:24:39 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 December 2022 at 00:10:23 UTC+1, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:54:22 UTC+1, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > > > Not hack, just good repair practices.
> > > >
> > > > Check it often and fix it quickly. If you wait too long, you might have to replace a bank of 64 cells. You don't really want to replace it with new modules, but just the cells with same capacity left. I got hundreds of (S/X)cells between 70% to 90%. I am sure there will be one very close to match.
> > > >
> > > > I can come to fix any Tesla anywhere in the west coast, as long as my Leaf can reach it.
> > > Capacity is one parameter, and internal resistance is another, and the temperature of the cell during charging is a third parameter, and so on.
> > >
> > > Never risk fire in your Tesla
> > Yes, you can junk it and burn $20K.
> >
> > Remaining capacity is the critical factor. Internal resistance is small and insignificant in most cases. Temperature (related to IR) is not an issue as long as you don't charge it to 100%.
> In UPS lead gel batteries are wired in strings and you always replace the full stock.

Leaded cells can also be shorted. You also needed to put many in parallel to get the same power as lithium.

> Never buy EV ;)

OK to buy, just don't pay too much.

On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:32:56 UTC+1, Flyguy wrote:
> Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
one another cell should be replaced in the image
https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/09/Screen-Shot-2021-09-13-at-1.12.01-PM.jpg?resize=1536,937

3rd block , 3rd cell at T1, voltage 3.611 V

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> >
> > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> The day when manufacturers decided that repair and maintenance should be run as a profit centre, rather than as service to the customer, is some time in the past.
>
> Rapacious manufacturers do get a bit greedy, but it's always easier to replace a complete unit than repair it.
>
> "Right to repair" may be a useful counter-balance. but customers are going to prefer a cheap if dodgy repair to the more expensive process of getting the machine back at an as-manufactured state.
> > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> Doesn't sound like a hack to me. Two new modules out of 16 and a $5.000 bill is rather more than a hack. It is a sensible lower price option. but the final result isn't as good as you'd get with a $22.000 replacement, not that anybody would pay $17.000 for the extra value.

If they replace the pack with two new modules, the pack is still unbalanced with 2 high and 14 low. They should replace with same SOH. Unfortunately, most ebay or individual sellers won't or can't tell you what is the SOH. I guess GM dealers have central location to identify and fix the modules and match them properly.

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:00:52 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > >
> > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > The day when manufacturers decided that repair and maintenance should be run as a profit centre, rather than as service to the customer, is some time in the past.
> >
> > Rapacious manufacturers do get a bit greedy, but it's always easier to replace a complete unit than repair it.
> >
> > "Right to repair" may be a useful counter-balance. but customers are going to prefer a cheap if dodgy repair to the more expensive process of getting the machine back at an as-manufactured state.
> > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > Doesn't sound like a hack to me. Two new modules out of 16 and a $5.000 bill is rather more than a hack. It is a sensible lower price option. but the final result isn't as good as you'd get with a $22.000 replacement, not that anybody would pay $17.000 for the extra value.
> If they replace the pack with two new modules, the pack is still unbalanced with 2 high and 14 low. They should replace with same SOH. Unfortunately, most ebay or individual sellers won't or can't tell you what is the SOH. I guess GM dealers have central location to identify and fix the modules and match them properly.

Wasn't it out of balance before the replacement? Actually, most likely not.. It's like having low compression in your engine. You can replace the rings on the one cylinder which is out of spec, but it's very likely that all the cylinders need to be repaired, or will need to be repaired soon.

Battery cells are not like lightbulbs. They very seldom have individual faulty cells. The overall capacity of the battery drops until the car no longer has adequate range. But inadequate range is not a concept you are able to appreciate.

Most people want to drive their cars, not monkey with them all day.

--

Rick C.

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On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:31:14 AM UTC-8, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:00:52 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > The day when manufacturers decided that repair and maintenance should be run as a profit centre, rather than as service to the customer, is some time in the past.
> > >
> > > Rapacious manufacturers do get a bit greedy, but it's always easier to replace a complete unit than repair it.
> > >
> > > "Right to repair" may be a useful counter-balance. but customers are going to prefer a cheap if dodgy repair to the more expensive process of getting the machine back at an as-manufactured state.
> > > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > > Doesn't sound like a hack to me. Two new modules out of 16 and a $5.000 bill is rather more than a hack. It is a sensible lower price option. but the final result isn't as good as you'd get with a $22.000 replacement, not that anybody would pay $17.000 for the extra value.
> > If they replace the pack with two new modules, the pack is still unbalanced with 2 high and 14 low. They should replace with same SOH. Unfortunately, most ebay or individual sellers won't or can't tell you what is the SOH.. I guess GM dealers have central location to identify and fix the modules and match them properly.
> Wasn't it out of balance before the replacement? Actually, most likely not. It's like having low compression in your engine. You can replace the rings on the one cylinder which is out of spec, but it's very likely that all the cylinders need to be repaired, or will need to be repaired soon.
>
> Battery cells are not like lightbulbs. They very seldom have individual faulty cells. The overall capacity of the battery drops until the car no longer has adequate range. But inadequate range is not a concept you are able to appreciate.

Normal cells don't. But manufacturing defects (metal fragment) for a small (~11,000 so far) number of them fail prematurely. If you are lucky, it blows the fuse and is easily identified. Sometimes, it just become heater and dragging the whole bank down with it.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:54:22 PM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
> > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> Not hack, just good repair practices.

It's called a "hack" because they did it WITHOUT the help of Tesla.

>
> Check it often and fix it quickly. If you wait too long, you might have to replace a bank of 64 cells. You don't really want to replace it with new modules, but just the cells with same capacity left. I got hundreds of (S/X)cells between 70% to 90%. I am sure there will be one very close to match.

HOW do you check it at all UNLESS you have access to diagnostic equipment?

>
> I can come to fix any Tesla anywhere in the west coast, as long as my Leaf can reach it.

Well, that won't be very far!

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:32:56 UTC+1, Flyguy wrote:
> > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> self-diagnostic piece of software can be connected to BMS bus
> to produce individual cell test results
> as depicted in this image
>
> https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/09/Screen-Shot-2021-09-13-at-1.12.01-PM.jpg?resize=1536,937

And EXACTLY where do you get this software and does using void your Tesla warranty?

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:04:08 PM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 23:32:56 UTC+1, Flyguy wrote:
> > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > self-diagnostic piece of software can be connected to BMS bus
> > to produce individual cell test results
> > as depicted in this image
> >
> > https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/09/Screen-Shot-2021-09-13-at-1.12.01-PM.jpg?resize=1536,937
> You can check it with TM-spy or equivalence.
>
> Once the battery pack is unmounted and disassembled, all you need is a multimeter and soldering iron to fix it.

Here is a video that describes TM-spy and what you will need to make it work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SciaEtFruY0
It says nothing, however, about voiding your warranty. It also does not display individual cell voltages, just brick voltages.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> >
> > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> The day when manufacturers decided that repair and maintenance should be run as a profit centre, rather than as service to the customer, is some time in the past.
>
> Rapacious manufacturers do get a bit greedy, but it's always easier to replace a complete unit than repair it.
>
> "Right to repair" may be a useful counter-balance. but customers are going to prefer a cheap if dodgy repair to the more expensive process of getting the machine back at an as-manufactured state.

Bozo uses the pejorative "dodgy" without ANY evidence per his modus operandi.

> > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> Doesn't sound like a hack to me. Two new modules out of 16 and a $5.000 bill is rather more than a hack. It is a sensible lower price option. but the final result isn't as good as you'd get with a $22.000 replacement, not that anybody would pay $17.000 for the extra value.

As I have already mentioned, "hacks" refers to non-Tesla provided diagnostic aides.

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:54:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:27:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > The day when manufacturers decided that repair and maintenance should be run as a profit centre, rather than as service to the customer, is some time in the past.
> > >
> > > Rapacious manufacturers do get a bit greedy, but it's always easier to replace a complete unit than repair it.
> > >
> > > "Right to repair" may be a useful counter-balance. but customers are going to prefer a cheap if dodgy repair to the more expensive process of getting the machine back at an as-manufactured state.
> >
> > Bill uses the pejorative "dodgy" without ANY evidence per his modus operandi.
>
> It's not very pejorative. Sewage Sweeper doesn't know anything, so he wants everything to be spelled out for him, and if you are silly enough to do it he rejects the explanation for some spurious reason or other - probably because he can't understand even the simplest explanation.

Oh, Bozo knows EXACTLY what "dodgy" means. If he doesn't he can LOOK IT UP!

dodg·y
/ˈdäjē/
adjective INFORMAL•BRITISH
dishonest or unreliable.
"a dodgy secondhand car salesman"

> > > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> >>
> > > Doesn't sound like a hack to me. Two new modules out of 16 and a $5.000 bill is rather more than a hack. It is a sensible lower price option. but the final result isn't as good as you'd get with a $22.000 replacement, not that anybody would pay $17.000 for the extra value.
> >
> > As I have already mentioned, "hacks" refers to non-Tesla provided diagnostic aides.
> So you don't know what the word means.

Yeah, just like "dodgy"

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:37:18 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:19:21 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:54:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:27:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tesla owners are finding out that Tesla doesn't repair damaged battery packs - they replace the ENTIRE battery at a cost of up to $22k which is almost the value of the car (https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/)." rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/). One Tesla owner had a $2 part get damaged by road debris and Tesla quoted him $16,000 to replace the entire pack, so he had it towed to a shop THREE STATES AWAY that would fix this cheap part (no local independent shop would touch it):
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc&t=13s
> > > > > > This issue of manufacturers locking out third-party repair shops has motivated members of Congress, state and federal, to promote Right To Repair legislation:
> > > > > > https://www.repair.org/stand-up
> > > > > The day when manufacturers decided that repair and maintenance should be run as a profit centre, rather than as service to the customer, is some time in the past.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rapacious manufacturers do get a bit greedy, but it's always easier to replace a complete unit than repair it.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Right to repair" may be a useful counter-balance. but customers are going to prefer a cheap if dodgy repair to the more expensive process of getting the machine back at an as-manufactured state.
> > > >
> > > > Bill uses the pejorative "dodgy" without ANY evidence per his modus operandi.
> > >
> > > It's not very pejorative. Sewage Sweeper doesn't know anything, so he wants everything to be spelled out for him, and if you are silly enough to do it he rejects the explanation for some spurious reason or other - probably because he can't understand even the simplest explanation.
> >
> > Oh, Bozo knows EXACTLY what "dodgy" means. If he doesn't he can LOOK IT UP!
> I lived in the UK from 1971 to 1993, and I've been back there from time to time since - most recently in May this year. I know exactly what "dodgy" means , and a whole lot more precisely than Sewage Sweper can ever hope to.
> > dodg·y
> > /ˈdäjē/
> > adjective INFORMAL•BRITISH
> > dishonest or unreliable.
> > "a dodgy secondhand car salesman"
> That's one way of using the word. Venacular usage puts more emphasis on informality than dishonesty or unreliability, though that is context dependent.
> > > > > > Still, some shops have figured out how to repair these batteries, but they have to resort to hacks:
> > > > > > https://grubermotors.com/services/model-s-main-battery-pack-repair/
> > > > > > https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
> > > >>
> > > > > Doesn't sound like a hack to me. Two new modules out of 16 and a $5.000 bill is rather more than a hack. It is a sensible lower price option.. but the final result isn't as good as you'd get with a $22.000 replacement, not that anybody would pay $17.000 for the extra value.
> > > >
> > > > As I have already mentioned, "hacks" refers to non-Tesla provided diagnostic aides.
> >
> > > So you don't know what the word means.
> >
> > Yeah, just like "dodgy".
>
> In exactly the same way that you don't know enough about "dodgy".

That you don't know how to use the English language comes as no surprise, Bozo.

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:54:00 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:37:18 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:19:21 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:54:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:27:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > > > As I have already mentioned, "hacks" refers to non-Tesla provided diagnostic aides.
> > > >
> > > > > So you don't know what the word means.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, just like "dodgy".
> > >
> > > In exactly the same way that you don't know enough about "dodgy".
> >
> > That you don't know how to use the English language comes as no surprise.
>
> Flyguy has a habit of getting stuff wrong, then telling us that he's got it right. Nothing new here
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

I get "stuff wrong?" You have a LONG RECORD of getting "stuff wrong," such as claiming a Super Charger could be put into a home residence.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:17:29 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:08:22 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:54:00 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:37:18 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:19:21 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:54:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:27:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > As I have already mentioned, "hacks" refers to non-Tesla provided diagnostic aides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So you don't know what the word means.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, just like "dodgy".
> > > > >
> > > > > In exactly the same way that you don't know enough about "dodgy".
> > > >
> > > > That you don't know how to use the English language comes as no surprise.
> > >
> > > Flyguy has a habit of getting stuff wrong, then telling us that he's got it right. Nothing new here
> >
> > I get "stuff wrong?" You have a LONG RECORD of getting "stuff wrong," such as claiming a Super Charger could be put into a home residence.
> Except that I didn't. You've got that wrong too, and you are too dumb to work out how.
>
> Here's a hint. A "fast charger" isn't a "Super Charger" and a couple of Tesla power walls aren't a megawatt connection to the grid.
>
> This isn't the first time I've pointed this out, and you are much too attached to your delusions to notice how deluded you are.
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Oh, COME ON, Bozo, we ALL KNOW what you were talking about, so just fuck off.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 23:58:12 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:17:29 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:08:22 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:14:01 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:54:00 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:37:18 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:19:21 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> > > > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:54:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:27:47 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:32:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> > > <snip>
>> > > > > > > > As I have already mentioned, "hacks" refers to non-Tesla provided diagnostic aides.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > So you don't know what the word means.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Yeah, just like "dodgy".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In exactly the same way that you don't know enough about "dodgy".
>> > > >
>> > > > That you don't know how to use the English language comes as no surprise.
>> > >
>> > > Flyguy has a habit of getting stuff wrong, then telling us that he's got it right. Nothing new here
>> >
>> > I get "stuff wrong?" You have a LONG RECORD of getting "stuff wrong," such as claiming a Super Charger could be put into a home residence.
>> Except that I didn't. You've got that wrong too, and you are too dumb to work out how.
>>
>> Here's a hint. A "fast charger" isn't a "Super Charger" and a couple of Tesla power walls aren't a megawatt connection to the grid.
>>
>> This isn't the first time I've pointed this out, and you are much too attached to your delusions to notice how deluded you are.
>>
>> --
>> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney
>
>Oh, COME ON, Bozo, we ALL KNOW what you were talking about, so just fuck off.

Thank you for keeping Sloman amused. The spiraling garbage threads are
easy to spot and ignore.