There seems to be a lot of spam coming this way now. A number of newsgroups have been spammed into oblivion. Since this group is starting with more than 50% off topic posts anyway, I wonder how long the group will survive if the spamming continues to increase.

A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.

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On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:02:13 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:

> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.

Who the hell you think you're fooling? You're Mr. Off Topic himself.

>
> --
>
> Rick C.
>
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Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:02:13 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
>
>> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
>
> Who the hell you think you're fooling? You're Mr. Off Topic himself.

Posted by the troll who is second only to a a for off topic posting.

Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:10:28 AM UTC+11, OT wrote:
>> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:02:13 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
>> >
>> >> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic.
>> >> It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
>> >
>> > Who the hell you think you're fooling? You're Mr. Off Topic
>> > himself.
>>
>> Posted by the troll who is second only to a a for off topic posting.
>
> Fred Bloggs isn't any kind of troll, and his posts don't strike me
> as off-topic.

Oh really? Try looking at these examples.

1: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116537700

2: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116542800

3: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116547500

4: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116556500

5: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116559700

6: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116562800

7: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116565500

8: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116568600

9: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116571600

10: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116574900

11: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116578000

12: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116580900

13: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167116583300

Thirteen articles, all posted by the Fred Bloggs troll, and all
off-topic. And that is just the troll's output for the last ten days.
More than one off topic article posting average per day.

> Both he and Rick C. are prone to getting unreasonable when argued
> with, but "a a" is a whole lot worse - he can never produce a
> rational response.

Agreed on "a a", it is just a complete idiot.

On 15/12/2022 21:02, Ricky wrote:
> There seems to be a lot of spam coming this way now. A number of newsgroups have been spammed into oblivion. Since this group is starting with more than 50% off topic posts anyway, I wonder how long the group will survive if the spamming continues to increase.
>
> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
>
You should use kill files!

I see only 4 spammers get past mine here in the past week.

One for Indian call girls, onlyfans, and a couple of druggie ones.

If they persist or appear again I will add them to the list.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Dec 2022 02:48:00 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<8baaa6f0-42f2-446c-a8c7-1d1ba53bd9e3n@googlegroups.com>:

>I'm not sure about the complete idiocy.

There are so many spammers here, one trying to sell an other book
where he tries math to understand a photo diode..
that one also works for US military to help it kill and maim people that do not want to dance to its crap songs.
Money justifies everything for him.

The other book seller got scared and left.

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:10:28 PM UTC-5, OT wrote:
> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:02:13 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
> >
> >> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
> >
> > Who the hell you think you're fooling? You're Mr. Off Topic himself.
> Posted by the troll who is second only to a a for off topic posting.

If you're disturbed by just the appearance of what *you* think is an OT post, then you're mentally disturbed and should seek therapy. I'm not aware that anyone or anything is forcing you to open and read the content of the post. Its content is quite clear from the title.

And in case you haven't figured it out, this is sci.electronics.design where sci mean science, and many of what you're calling OT are in fact science related posts.

On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:01:04 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<5e564832-4084-4a24-9f98-8e8de579f3abn@googlegroups.com>:

>On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:10:28 PM UTC-5, OT wrote:
>> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:02:13 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
>> >
>> >> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It may
>be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
>> >
>> > Who the hell you think you're fooling? You're Mr. Off Topic himself.
>> Posted by the troll who is second only to a a for off topic posting.
>
>If you're disturbed by just the appearance of what *you* think is an OT post,
>then you're mentally disturbed and should seek therapy. I'm not aware that
>anyone or anything is forcing you to open and read the content of the post.
>Its content is quite clear from the title.
>
>And in case you haven't figured it out, this is sci.electronics.design where
>sci mean science, and many of what you're calling OT are in fact science related
>posts.

Right! And it is called a NEWSGROUP
Bit of science related info is good for the brain of those who still have one.
Of course covid medicine blocked that machine for many...

Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:10:28 PM UTC-5, OT wrote:
>> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:02:13 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
>> >
>> >> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic.
>> >> It may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
>> >
>> > Who the hell you think you're fooling? You're Mr. Off Topic
>> > himself.

>> Posted by the troll who is second only to a a for off topic posting.

<snip>

> And in case you haven't figured it out, this is
> sci.electronics.design where sci mean science, and many of what
> you're calling OT are in fact science related posts.

In which case you should be posting those into sci.misc. The topic of
the newgroup is what fits into all the category names at the same time,
i.e., related to the design of electronics. Merely science related
posts should go into sci.misc.

On 12/16/2022 4:05 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
> You should use kill files!

Kill files are largely ineffective -- if they target the "From" header.
It's too easy to change; even on a per-post basis!

> I see only 4 spammers get past mine here in the past week.
>
> One for Indian call girls, onlyfans, and a couple of druggie ones.

I've not seen any of these. No doubt, the spammer has used different
"From" headers on each (?).

My NNet is slow to "NOTICE" (from the STM concepts of NOTICE/MARK) posts
so a new poster is effectively hidden (posts not passed through to be
visible to my NNTP client) until regarded as a "presence".

[My "input neurons" don't just look at the stated "From" header but a
variety of other headers to "identify" the poster]

Thereafter, unless *I* (via NNTP client) click on a post to download
the content (*my* way to "NOTICE"), the posts will effectively be "MARKed"
and disappear.

This happens whenever I stop "NOTICE-ing" a particular set of posts.
E.g., the most recent memory was of a poster using the handle "aa";
I saw a few of its posts and then they were gone. The more prolific
the poster, the quicker (in terms of calendar time) their posts
find their way in to the blocked category.

[I'm quick to "ignore thread" once a thread loses interest so my
inbox is relatively uncluttered. This means folks participating
in those posts don't "earn" any "NOTICEs" -- which is as it should
be: I'm not interested in those posts!]

[[The flaw (beauty??) of this approach is that I can never "NOTICE" hidden
posts -- so, they never reappear! I've not sorted out why I would *want*
them to reappear so haven't sorted out if this is a problem, or not!]]

[[[The other flaw with this implementation is that it's almost impossible
to ask the AI "why did you come to this decision"? I've not decided if
that's important or not -- at least for USENET]]]

> If they persist or appear again I will add them to the list.

On 12/16/2022 13:05, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 15/12/2022 21:02, Ricky wrote:
>> There seems to be a lot of spam coming this way now.  A number of
>> newsgroups have been spammed into oblivion.  Since this group is
>> starting with more than 50% off topic posts anyway, I wonder how long
>> the group will survive if the spamming continues to increase.
>>
>> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic.  It
>> may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
>>
> You should use kill files!
>
> I see only 4 spammers get past mine here in the past week.
>
> One for Indian call girls, onlyfans, and a couple of druggie ones.
>
> If they persist or appear again I will add them to the list.
>

Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
messages, not much point in that.
What *does* matter is for those of us watching through google
groups (I do, although I post using thunderbird) to not fall
for catchy subject lines spammers put. Just *don't* look at
such post through google groups, if you really want to do it
through the newsreader (an advice I should listen to more
carefully myself).
Google groups counts views, this is what keeps them alive.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:36:13 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 13:05, Martin Brown wrote:
> > On 15/12/2022 21:02, Ricky wrote:
> >> There seems to be a lot of spam coming this way now. A number of
> >> newsgroups have been spammed into oblivion. Since this group is
> >> starting with more than 50% off topic posts anyway, I wonder how long
> >> the group will survive if the spamming continues to increase.
> >>
> >> A proactive defense... this thread is not spamming or off topic. It
> >> may be a meta-discussion, but that's not off topic.
> >>
> > You should use kill files!
> >
> > I see only 4 spammers get past mine here in the past week.
> >
> > One for Indian call girls, onlyfans, and a couple of druggie ones.
> >
> > If they persist or appear again I will add them to the list.
> >
> Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
> messages, not much point in that.
> What *does* matter is for those of us watching through google
> groups (I do, although I post using thunderbird) to not fall
> for catchy subject lines spammers put. Just *don't* look at
> such post through google groups, if you really want to do it
> through the newsreader (an advice I should listen to more
> carefully myself).
> Google groups counts views, this is what keeps them alive.

It's kinda like walking through the park with dog turds scattered around. Yeah, I don't have to step on them, but I'd rather they simply weren't there. Then again, it's hard to tell the spam turds from the OT turds.

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On 12/16/2022 8:36 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
> messages, not much point in that.

It's not seeing them that is an issue. It's that their presence
suggests that an increase will inevitably follow.

There's effectively no cost to "advertising" in this way so
no disincentive to limit the amount of it that you do. And,
no reason to STOP doing it (if you don't see results).

It's the same reason stores want access to your email or
phone -- it's easier to get to your eyes than a blind
"mass mailing" (that consumes paper, ink and delivery services)

> What *does* matter is for those of us watching through google
> groups (I do, although I post using thunderbird) to not fall
> for catchy subject lines spammers put. Just *don't* look at
> such post through google groups, if you really want to do it
> through the newsreader (an advice I should listen to more
> carefully myself).
> Google groups counts views, this is what keeps them alive.

Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
through TB? Does it offer some advantage?

On 12/16/2022 18:21, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 8:36 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> ......
>> What *does* matter is for those of us watching through google
>> groups (I do, although I post using thunderbird) to not fall
>> for catchy subject lines spammers put. Just *don't* look at
>> such post through google groups, if you really want to do it
>> through the newsreader (an advice I should listen to more
>> carefully myself).
>> Google groups counts views, this is what keeps them alive.
>
> Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
> through TB?  Does it offer some advantage?
>
>

Well I am used to see topics sorted by last modified date, those I
have seen marked being such, not so sure why, may be it is just
a habit. Just a browser instance I switch between CAE and SED to
look at from time to time, have been doing so for many years.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:22:13 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 8:36 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> > Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
> > messages, not much point in that.
> It's not seeing them that is an issue. It's that their presence
> suggests that an increase will inevitably follow.

There are useful groups that have died literally, because the noise became dominant over the signal. High noise content also keeps newbies away. It's not like this group couldn't use some fresh blood. Bill is a perfect example. It seems like he has a strong preference for a masochistic dance with some of the greater idiots of the group, where they hurl the same insults in different threads. Once I see those names in a thread, I realize the thread is dead. Add in a few spam ads, and this group will be circling the drain.

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On 12/16/2022 18:40, Ricky wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:22:13 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 8:36 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>> Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
>>> messages, not much point in that.
>> It's not seeing them that is an issue. It's that their presence
>> suggests that an increase will inevitably follow.
>
> There are useful groups that have died literally, because the noise became dominant over the signal. High noise content also keeps newbies away. It's not like this group couldn't use some fresh blood. Bill is a perfect example. It seems like he has a strong preference for a masochistic dance with some of the greater idiots of the group, where they hurl the same insults in different threads. Once I see those names in a thread, I realize the thread is dead. Add in a few spam ads, and this group will be circling the drain.
>

Don't hold your breath for that fresh blood.
Not just because they are all on tiktok (me too, hey!) but there
are not many people designing new stuff past our generation.
It is all about utilizing what has already been done, which is
a lot and will suffice for generations to come I guess.
There is that *one* younger guy at CAE who occasionally has
questions, most of which David Brown has the patience and
expertise to answer - that's about all...

On 12/16/2022 9:28 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

>> Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
>> through TB?  Does it offer some advantage?
>
> Well I am used to see topics sorted by last modified date, those I
> have seen marked being such, not so sure why, may be it is just
> a habit. Just a browser instance I switch between CAE and SED to
> look at from time to time, have been doing so for many years.

You can control the presentation of posts/threads in TB.

Click on any column heading to sort based on that column
(up-down vs. down-up).
You can also turn threading on/off.

All of these options are enumerated in the "View | Sort by" menu
in the *main* TB window.

On 12/16/2022 19:10, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 9:28 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>
>>> Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
>>> through TB?  Does it offer some advantage?
>>
>> Well I am used to see topics sorted by last modified date, those I
>> have seen marked being such, not so sure why, may be it is just
>> a habit. Just a browser instance I switch between CAE and SED to
>> look at from time to time, have been doing so for many years.
>
> You can control the presentation of posts/threads in TB.
>
> Click on any column heading to sort based on that column
> (up-down vs. down-up).
> You can also turn threading on/off.
>
> All of these options are enumerated in the "View | Sort by" menu
> in the *main* TB window.
>
>
>

Hey, I am using it, I know what it does.
Just as I know how at times in long threads it is a real pain
to locate the post I want to reply to, no matter which of their
sort buttons you use.
In google groups not only the topics but also the posts within
a thread are simply sorted by date. Try doing that with thunderbird.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 18:40, Ricky wrote:
> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:22:13 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2022 8:36 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> >>> Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
> >>> messages, not much point in that.
> >> It's not seeing them that is an issue. It's that their presence
> >> suggests that an increase will inevitably follow.
> >
> > There are useful groups that have died literally, because the noise became dominant over the signal. High noise content also keeps newbies away. It's not like this group couldn't use some fresh blood. Bill is a perfect example. It seems like he has a strong preference for a masochistic dance with some of the greater idiots of the group, where they hurl the same insults in different threads. Once I see those names in a thread, I realize the thread is dead. Add in a few spam ads, and this group will be circling the drain.
> >
> Don't hold your breath for that fresh blood.
> Not just because they are all on tiktok (me too, hey!) but there
> are not many people designing new stuff past our generation.
> It is all about utilizing what has already been done, which is
> a lot and will suffice for generations to come I guess.
> There is that *one* younger guy at CAE who occasionally has
> questions, most of which David Brown has the patience and
> expertise to answer - that's about all...

This is the sort of thinking that has been going on for centuries, the "young generation"... fill in the blank.

I don't know what to tell you. Things in this world are not designed by people like us most of the time. That's reality. We all had to learn and that will continue. The young learn, sometimes by being taught, other times by finding out for themselves. The idea that there's no one to design new things is flat out silly.

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On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 9:28 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>
> >> Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
> >> through TB? Does it offer some advantage?
> >
> > Well I am used to see topics sorted by last modified date, those I
> > have seen marked being such, not so sure why, may be it is just
> > a habit. Just a browser instance I switch between CAE and SED to
> > look at from time to time, have been doing so for many years.
> You can control the presentation of posts/threads in TB.
>
> Click on any column heading to sort based on that column
> (up-down vs. down-up).
> You can also turn threading on/off.
>
> All of these options are enumerated in the "View | Sort by" menu
> in the *main* TB window.

I used TB for newgroups. Never had the confidence to use it for email. Then it crapped out and I was going to have to toss out all my files for posts in TB. So I switched to Seamonkey (a close cousin to TB, that could use the files) and after a year or so, it crapped out as well, making my data files unusable. That's when I switched to GG and gave up on worrying with more programs that don't work well.
GG may suck in so many ways, but it works. I don't need to update programs and I don't need to fill my mass storage with files. Oddly enough, it does not work on the cell phone. That's one of the few things I'd like to have on the phone when waiting in airports.

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On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:20:58 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 19:10, Don Y wrote:
> > On 12/16/2022 9:28 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> >
> >>> Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
> >>> through TB? Does it offer some advantage?
> >>
> >> Well I am used to see topics sorted by last modified date, those I
> >> have seen marked being such, not so sure why, may be it is just
> >> a habit. Just a browser instance I switch between CAE and SED to
> >> look at from time to time, have been doing so for many years.
> >
> > You can control the presentation of posts/threads in TB.
> >
> > Click on any column heading to sort based on that column
> > (up-down vs. down-up).
> > You can also turn threading on/off.
> >
> > All of these options are enumerated in the "View | Sort by" menu
> > in the *main* TB window.
> >
> >
> >
> Hey, I am using it, I know what it does.
> Just as I know how at times in long threads it is a real pain
> to locate the post I want to reply to, no matter which of their
> sort buttons you use.
> In google groups not only the topics but also the posts within
> a thread are simply sorted by date. Try doing that with thunderbird.

How does TB sort? I'ts been too long, I forget. Is it that it wants to show the linkages?

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On 12/16/2022 20:41, Ricky wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 18:40, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:22:13 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2022 8:36 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>>>> Few if any of us are fragile enough to need not to see the spam
>>>>> messages, not much point in that.
>>>> It's not seeing them that is an issue. It's that their presence
>>>> suggests that an increase will inevitably follow.
>>>
>>> There are useful groups that have died literally, because the noise became dominant over the signal. High noise content also keeps newbies away. It's not like this group couldn't use some fresh blood. Bill is a perfect example. It seems like he has a strong preference for a masochistic dance with some of the greater idiots of the group, where they hurl the same insults in different threads. Once I see those names in a thread, I realize the thread is dead. Add in a few spam ads, and this group will be circling the drain.
>>>
>> Don't hold your breath for that fresh blood.
>> Not just because they are all on tiktok (me too, hey!) but there
>> are not many people designing new stuff past our generation.
>> It is all about utilizing what has already been done, which is
>> a lot and will suffice for generations to come I guess.
>> There is that *one* younger guy at CAE who occasionally has
>> questions, most of which David Brown has the patience and
>> expertise to answer - that's about all...
>
> This is the sort of thinking that has been going on for centuries, the "young generation"... fill in the blank.

Not at all, I am quite aware of that sort of attitude and I have
always more or less laughed at it.
My point is that technically in our area things have gone where
the chances our generation had 30-40 years ago to do some new design
are just gone. Sort of like the car industry, not much more than a
century ago designing a new car, a new engine etc. and making it took
some reasonable mechanical workshop at hand - plus the desire to do it.
Try that today.

>
> I don't know what to tell you. Things in this world are not designed by people like us most of the time. That's reality. We all had to learn and that will continue. The young learn, sometimes by being taught, other times by finding out for themselves. The idea that there's no one to design new things is flat out silly.
>

Well I have designed my fair share of things. People do learn of course,
as long as there is a reasonable time horizon to justify the effort.
Or when there is none, everyone learns all the time - just different
things.

On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 19:10, Don Y wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 9:28 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>
>>>> Why would you use google groups when you will eventually post
>>>> through TB?  Does it offer some advantage?
>>>
>>> Well I am used to see topics sorted by last modified date, those I
>>> have seen marked being such, not so sure why, may be it is just
>>> a habit. Just a browser instance I switch between CAE and SED to
>>> look at from time to time, have been doing so for many years.
>>
>> You can control the presentation of posts/threads in TB.
>>
>> Click on any column heading to sort based on that column
>> (up-down vs. down-up).
>> You can also turn threading on/off.
>>
>> All of these options are enumerated in the "View | Sort by" menu
>> in the *main* TB window.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hey, I am using it, I know what it does.
> Just as I know how at times in long threads it is a real pain
> to locate the post I want to reply to, no matter which of their
> sort buttons you use.

I use threaded, sort by date, most recent first. TB marks each
"new" post with a star; unread posts displayed in bold.

When I've finished reading News, I "mark newsgroup read".
This ensures all new posts will also be marked as unread
(bold). TB also (tries to) find the first unread post

Old/stale threads fall to the bottom of the screen (if I
don't "ignore" them before that).

> In google groups not only the topics but also the posts within
> a thread are simply sorted by date. Try doing that with thunderbird.

I can't see how you can keep the threaded nature of a conversation
AND sort by date -- not in a one-dimensional list! Each reply must
follow (i.e., be farther down the list) the post to which it replied.

E.g., I can, today, reply to different subthreads in a single thread.
All posted at exactly the same instant (i.e., so no other posts can be
interspersed).

Yet, how could you show all of these "sorted by date" (i.e.,
contiguous in a list) AND still indicate in which subthread
each belongs?

On 12/16/2022 9:56 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> Don't hold your breath for that fresh blood.
> Not just because they are all on tiktok (me too, hey!) but there
> are not many people designing new stuff past our generation.

Sure they are! They just aren't starting with the same
"components" that we did -- out of necessity!

The first processor I designed was gobs of TTL and bibolar.
It ate lots of power (to get speed) and took up a boatload
of boardspace. I had to do all of the timing analysis and
AC/DC load calculations "by hand".

I could design another processor in similar fashion, today.
But, it would be silly -- like designing an analog computer just
to *say* you'd designed one! If I needed an application-specific
processor, I'd *write* an emulator and purchase a platform
fast enough to execute the emulated instruction set at a speed
my homegrown device could achieve (or, go to full/semi-custom)

I wrote my Neural Nets in C. A "youngster" would prefer a
language with direct support for array operations. His
code would *look* simpler -- because the language was handling
a lot of the nitty-gritty "behind the scenes". Whether it would
execute any faster (or be any more robust) are different issues.

Web pages are largely canned, nowadays. Why bother writing
all that cruft from scratch -- just to *say* you did?

> It is all about utilizing what has already been done, which is
> a lot and will suffice for generations to come I guess.
> There is that *one* younger guy at CAE who occasionally has
> questions, most of which David Brown has the patience and
> expertise to answer - that's about all...

On 12/16/2022 22:41, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> ...
>
> I can't see how you can keep the threaded nature of a conversation
> AND sort by date -- not in a one-dimensional list!  Each reply must
> follow (i.e., be farther down the list) the post to which it replied.

Well I can, if I am interested enough in the thread. Text is good
enough for me. I don't need a piece of code tell me what I want to read,
I just happen to know better. I am pretty good at finding what I am
looking for at a glance.
And thunderbird just *cannot* sort the posts within a thread by posting
date, which in many cases is what I want.