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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Mon, 19 Sep 2022 19:50 UTC

At absolute zero there is no quantity.
and below it is no quantity ...

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 11:45 UTC

måndag 19 september 2022 kl. 21:51:03 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> At absolute zero there is no quantity.
> and below it is no quantity ...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
except (R,+,*) is a field which means negatives and 0 exists.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:48 UTC

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 4:45:27 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> måndag 19 september 2022 kl. 21:51:03 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > At absolute zero there is no quantity.
> > and below it is no quantity ...
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> except (R,+,*) is a field which means negatives and 0 exists.

Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: Michael Moroney - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:26 UTC

On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...

That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field.

Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:52 UTC

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
> > There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
> That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field.
>
> Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
> just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.

Negative quantities don't exist below the absolute zero "no" quantity.
Just as there is no more north of the north pole... it gets less instead
after the pole...

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 by: Volney - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 19:27 UTC

On 9/20/2022 2:52 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
>>> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
>> That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field.
>>
>> Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
>> just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.
>
> Negative quantities don't exist below the absolute zero "no" quantity.

As I just said, you have no idea what a field is, so you ignore it and
repeat your false claim. Maybe if you ask Zelos nicely what a field is,
he will explain it?

> Just as there is no more north of the north pole...

Not the same thing. Latitude has a domain from -90° to +90°, with 0°
being the equator. Your claim is equivalent to no latitude greater than
90° which is correct, but has nothing to do with negative numbers. (but
notice, -90° IS a negative number. It's the South Pole!)

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:37 UTC

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 2:52 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
> >>> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
> >> That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field.
> >>
> >> Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
> >> just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.
> >
> > Negative quantities don't exist below the absolute zero "no" quantity.
> As I just said, you have no idea what a field is, so you ignore it and
> repeat your false claim. Maybe if you ask Zelos nicely what a field is,
> he will explain it?

Science uses a field to a fault.
Zero no quantity begins the only quantity... and that is all positive
even as infinity...only subtraction is a negative operation.

> > Just as there is no more north of the north pole...
> Not the same thing. Latitude has a domain from -90° to +90°, with 0°

No quantity below Zero no quantity just as the north pole is maxim north...

> being the equator. Your claim is equivalent to no latitude greater than
> 90° which is correct, but has nothing to do with negative numbers. (but
> notice, -90° IS a negative number. It's the South Pole!)

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 by: Eduardo Fahqtardo - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:39 UTC

On 9/19/2022 12:50 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> At absolute zero there is no quantity.
> and below it is no quantity ...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch

Absolute zero no brain post again.

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 by: FromTheRafters - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:28 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com formulated the question :
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
>>> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
>> That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field.
>>
>> Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
>> just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.
>
> Negative quantities don't exist below the absolute zero "no" quantity.
> Just as there is no more north of the north pole... it gets less instead
> after the pole...

The North Star is north of the North Pole.

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 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Wed, 21 Sep 2022 06:26 UTC

tisdag 20 september 2022 kl. 19:48:06 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 4:45:27 AM UTC-7, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > måndag 19 september 2022 kl. 21:51:03 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> > > At absolute zero there is no quantity.
> > > and below it is no quantity ...
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > except (R,+,*) is a field which means negatives and 0 exists.
> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
There is no subtraction, there is only addition and multiplication in a field.

So negative numbers are a thing

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Subject: Re: Zero proved to be the dark "NO" quantity
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 by: Dan joyce - Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09 UTC

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 4:37:21 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 9/20/2022 2:52 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >> On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
> > >>> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
> > >> That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field..
> > >>
> > >> Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
> > >> just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.
> > >
> > > Negative quantities don't exist below the absolute zero "no" quantity..
> > As I just said, you have no idea what a field is, so you ignore it and
> > repeat your false claim. Maybe if you ask Zelos nicely what a field is,
> > he will explain it?
> Science uses a field to a fault.
> Zero no quantity begins the only quantity... and that is all positive
> even as infinity...only subtraction is a negative operation.
> > > Just as there is no more north of the north pole...
> > Not the same thing. Latitude has a domain from -90° to +90°, with 0°
> No quantity below Zero no quantity just as the north pole is maxim north....
> > being the equator. Your claim is equivalent to no latitude greater than
> > 90° which is correct, but has nothing to do with negative numbers. (but
> > notice, -90° IS a negative number. It's the South Pole!)

Ok Mitch, I have 21 widgets in stock at the warehouse but have 22 open orders for widgets.
After I fill these orders how many widgets do I have in stock?
21-22 =-1 which is now on backorder along with the minimum normal in stock
quantity in the warehouse for widgets.
Very simple math used every day to prove negative quantities do indeed exist
in warehouse operations and of course many other applications from simple too
more complex.

Dan

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 by: Michael Moroney - Wed, 21 Sep 2022 22:31 UTC

On 9/20/2022 4:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 2:52 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2022 1:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Subtraction exists as the only negative operation.
>>>>> There are no negative quantities below absolute zero...
>>>> That's obviously wrong, since Zelos just told you (R,+,*) is a field.
>>>>
>>>> Of course you have no idea what that means. But rather than learn, you
>>>> just ignore it and repeat your unsupported claims.
>>>
>>> Negative quantities don't exist below the absolute zero "no" quantity.
>> As I just said, you have no idea what a field is, so you ignore it and
>> repeat your false claim. Maybe if you ask Zelos nicely what a field is,
>> he will explain it?
>
> Science uses a field to a fault.

The concept is extremely useful, but once again you don't understand the
concept at all. The real number field (R,+,*) has negative numbers,
which is a good thing since science needs to track negative electric
charges, times in the past, negative bank balances and negative
distances (such as standard latitude, south of the equator, or west of
the prime meridian).

> Zero no quantity begins the only quantity... and that is all positive
> even as infinity...only subtraction is a negative operation.

Gibberish.

In the real number field there is only addition, but fortunately it has
negative numbers so subtraction can be performed.
>
>>> Just as there is no more north of the north pole...
>> Not the same thing. Latitude has a domain from -90° to +90°, with 0°
>
> No quantity below Zero no quantity just as the north pole is maxim north...

Yet I can (and have!) go south of the equator. Negative latitude. And I
live at a negative longitude as well.

It looks like math is beyond your understanding, mathematics just isn't
for you.

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 by: Earle Jones - Tue, 27 Sep 2022 00:04 UTC

On Mon Sep 19 12:50:59 2022 "mitchr...@gmail.com" wrote:
> At absolute zero there is no quantity.
> and below it is no quantity ...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch

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Mitchell:

"Absolute zero" is a thermodynamic expression, not a mathematical expression.

Cheers!

earle
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