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* The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilationJack Liu
+* Re: The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation or physiTom Roberts
|`- Re: The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clockRichard Hertz
+- Re: The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clockRoss Finlayson
`* Re: The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clockJack Liu
 `- Re: The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clockMaciej Wozniak

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Subject: The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation
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 by: Jack Liu - Tue, 25 Apr 2023 16:59 UTC

Real time passes independently and evenly and is not affected by the specific physical environment. Physical devices, in-cluding clocks, including atomic clocks with an error of one second in 20 million years, are affected by external physical conditions. A clock is not time, a reading from any physical device is not time. The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation or physical device dilation.

Just because of the existence of absolute time as criteria that Einstein can claim clock dilation. Without such criteria, Ein-stein could not make such kind of statement at all.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VfhOL63jvB2Dmn4JCRmOx6S8Dh9nRbdC/view
https://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Time-Relativity-Jack-Liu/dp/B0BQ9JB4RQ

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 by: Tom Roberts - Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:06 UTC

On 4/25/23 11:59 AM, Jack Liu wrote:
> Real time passes independently and evenly and is not affected by the
> specific physical environment.

Only in your personal fantasy world, and using unusual meanings for the
words "real" and "time".

> Physical devices, in-cluding clocks,
> including atomic clocks with an error of one second in 20 million
> years, are affected by external physical conditions. A clock is not
> time, a reading from any physical device is not time. The so-called
> time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation or physical
> device dilation.

You can invoke whatever fantasies you like. But ins physics, "time is
what clocks measure" [Einstein and others]. For the simple reason that
in every experiment "time" is measured by a clock, and it is only such
measurements that matter.

> [... more fantasies and made-p claims that are simply not true]

Tom Roberts

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 by: Richard Hertz - Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:35 UTC

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 5:06:27 PM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote:

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> You can invoke whatever fantasies you like. But ins physics, "time is
> what clocks measure" [Einstein and others]. For the simple reason that
> in every experiment "time" is measured by a clock, and it is only such
> measurements that matter.

Good boy, good boy. Have a treat.

Now, tell us: What time gives a muon while traveling? Or a time that is perceived by a 100 GeV proton?

Your TIME AT A DISTANCE, PROBABLY? And for that, you have to use a fucking relativity formulae?

See? Your talk is void of content, all the time, while writing your RELIGIOUS CREDO. Every single time.

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Tue, 25 Apr 2023 23:11 UTC

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:59:30 AM UTC-7, Jack Liu wrote:
> Real time passes independently and evenly and is not affected by the specific physical environment. Physical devices, in-cluding clocks, including atomic clocks with an error of one second in 20 million years, are affected by external physical conditions. A clock is not time, a reading from any physical device is not time. The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation or physical device dilation.
>
> Just because of the existence of absolute time as criteria that Einstein can claim clock dilation. Without such criteria, Ein-stein could not make such kind of statement at all.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VfhOL63jvB2Dmn4JCRmOx6S8Dh9nRbdC/view
> https://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Time-Relativity-Jack-Liu/dp/B0BQ9JB4RQ

If you can study for Fitzgerald you can find he makes a solution
for Lorentz invariance that makes for "length contraction + time dilation
= space contraction". (Or, there are defined formulas that, solved,
have "space contraction" as "real", causal, ....).

That's compatible with a clock hypothesis or universal time,
where time only slows or goes, ....

I'm interested you bring the idea of "atomic clock". If you make a lattice of
atomic clocks, then basically it can implement a sensor that just by
timing and space-contraction, is essentially a sort of detector,
that, for example, can detect hand-waving.

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 by: Jack Liu - Mon, 1 May 2023 18:04 UTC

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:59:30 AM UTC-5, Jack Liu wrote:
> Real time passes independently and evenly and is not affected by the specific physical environment. Physical devices, in-cluding clocks, including atomic clocks with an error of one second in 20 million years, are affected by external physical conditions. A clock is not time, a reading from any physical device is not time. The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation or physical device dilation.
>
> Just because of the existence of absolute time as criteria that Einstein can claim clock dilation. Without such criteria, Ein-stein could not make such kind of statement at all.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VfhOL63jvB2Dmn4JCRmOx6S8Dh9nRbdC/view
> https://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Time-Relativity-Jack-Liu/dp/B0BQ9JB4RQ

What about moisture slow down Einstein's clock? Should it be called Moisture Time Dilation?
What about dust causes Einstein's clock dilated? should it be call General Trash Relativity?

Time is not clock reading of whatever clock.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VfhOL63jvB2Dmn4JCRmOx6S8Dh9nRbdC/view

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 1 May 2023 20:18 UTC

On Monday, 1 May 2023 at 20:04:56 UTC+2, Jack Liu wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:59:30 AM UTC-5, Jack Liu wrote:
> > Real time passes independently and evenly and is not affected by the specific physical environment. Physical devices, in-cluding clocks, including atomic clocks with an error of one second in 20 million years, are affected by external physical conditions. A clock is not time, a reading from any physical device is not time. The so-called time dilation in general relativity is clock dilation or physical device dilation.
> >
> > Just because of the existence of absolute time as criteria that Einstein can claim clock dilation. Without such criteria, Ein-stein could not make such kind of statement at all.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VfhOL63jvB2Dmn4JCRmOx6S8Dh9nRbdC/view
> > https://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Time-Relativity-Jack-Liu/dp/B0BQ9JB4RQ
> What about moisture slow down Einstein's clock? Should it be called Moisture Time Dilation?
> What about dust causes Einstein's clock dilated? should it be call General Trash Relativity?
>
> Time is not clock reading of whatever clock.

Yes, it is.
Of course, real clocks keep indicating t'=t,
and the wonders of Giant Guru are only
indicated by gedanken clocks. Common
sense was warning the idiot.

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