Mio-Pliocene great apes were aquarboreal in coastal forests + rivers-bais-lakes around the Tethys Ocean, google "Aquarboreal Ancestors".

About 15 Ma (Mesopotamian Seaway closure?) they split into pongids (E) & hominids (W).

Miocene hominids were aquarboreal in coastal forests + bais-lakes-rivers around the Tethys-Sea=Med.Sea + Red Sea.

Late-Miocene HPG lived in the Red Sea,
c 8 Ma they split into G & HP:
Gorilla followed the Rift: Praeanthr.afarensis-aethiopicus-boisei..., google "gorilla bai"
HP in the Red Sea or Gulf split c 5 Ma into H & P:
--Pan, still aquarboreal, followed the E.Afr.coasts + mangroves-lakes-bais-rivers...: Australopith.africanus-naledi-robustus..., google "bonobo wading"
--Homo (?initially remained in the Red Sea or Gulf? Pliocene?) became shallow-diving & followed the S-Asian coasts & other Old World coasts + rivers-lakes... google "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT"

Correction (before some idiot thinks he has to give comments):
Late-Miocene hominids did not live permanently *in* the Red Sea, of course, but around it.
There are overlapping possibilities, e.g.
-after the H/P split, P followed the E.Afr.coast, H followed the S.Asian coast (Pliocene) ->H.erectus Java, Flores, Luzon,
-Pliocene H remained in the Red Sea, and only during the Pleistocene followed different Old World sea-coasts,
-Pliocene H (Red Sea? Danakil?? or S.Asian coasts?) became strongly adapted to shallow-diving ("aquatic ape"),
-or only early-Pleistocene evolved from aquarboreal to shallow-diving (connection with sea-levels? or Tp?).

> Mio-Pliocene great apes were aquarboreal in coastal forests + rivers-bais-lakes around the Tethys Ocean, google "Aquarboreal Ancestors".
> About 15 Ma (Mesopotamian Seaway closure?) they split into pongids (E) & hominids (W).
> Miocene hominids were aquarboreal in coastal forests + bais-lakes-rivers around the Tethys-Sea=Med.Sea + Red Sea.
> Late-Miocene HPG lived in the Red Sea,
> c 8 Ma they split into G & HP:
> Gorilla followed the Rift: Praeanthr.afarensis-aethiopicus-boisei..., google "gorilla bai"
> HP in the Red Sea or Gulf split c 5 Ma into H & P:
> --Pan, still aquarboreal, followed the E.Afr.coasts + mangroves-lakes-bais-rivers...: Australopith.africanus-naledi-robustus..., google "bonobo wading"
> --Homo (?initially remained in the Red Sea or Gulf? Pliocene?) became shallow-diving & followed the S-Asian coasts & other Old World coasts + rivers-lakes... google "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT"

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 3:40:05 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Correction (before some idiot thinks he has to give comments):
> Late-Miocene hominids did not live permanently *in* the Red Sea, of course, but around it.

Does that include 4 specimens of 11.6ma Danuvius of Bavaria north of the Alps?

> There are overlapping possibilities, e.g.
> -after the H/P split, P followed the E.Afr.coast, H followed the S.Asian coast (Pliocene) ->H.erectus Java, Flores, Luzon,
> -Pliocene H remained in the Red Sea, and only during the Pleistocene followed different Old World sea-coasts,
> -Pliocene H (Red Sea? Danakil?? or S.Asian coasts?) became strongly adapted to shallow-diving ("aquatic ape"),
> -or only early-Pleistocene evolved from aquarboreal to shallow-diving (connection with sea-levels? or Tp?).
> > Mio-Pliocene great apes were aquarboreal in coastal forests

Does that include Danuvius of Bavaria, found in a former meandering rivulet? North of the Alps?

+ rivers-bais-lakes around the Tethys Ocean, google "Aquarboreal Ancestors".
> > About 15 Ma (Mesopotamian Seaway closure?) they split into pongids (E) & hominids (W).
> > Miocene hominids were aquarboreal in coastal forests + bais-lakes-rivers around the Tethys-Sea=Med.Sea + Red Sea

Does that include Danuvius of Bavaria, found in a former meandering rivulet? North of the Alps?

..
> > Late-Miocene HPG lived in the Red Sea,

Sleeping in giant clamshells?

> > c 8 Ma they split into G & HP:
> > Gorilla followed the Rift: Praeanthr.afarensis-aethiopicus-boisei..., google "gorilla bai"
> > HP in the Red Sea or Gulf split c 5 Ma into H & P:
> > --Pan, still aquarboreal, followed the E.Afr.coasts + mangroves-lakes-bais-rivers...: Australopith.africanus-naledi-robustus..., google "bonobo wading"
> > --Homo (?initially remained in the Red Sea or Gulf? Pliocene?) became shallow-diving & followed the S-Asian coasts & other Old World coasts + rivers-lakes... google "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT"

Fantastically confusing.

Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 om 02:11:49 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > Late-Miocene hominids did not live permanently *in* the Red Sea, of course, but around it.

> Does that include 4 specimens of 11.6ma Danuvius of Bavaria north of the Alps?

Danuvius means Donau.

> > There are overlapping possibilities, e.g.
> > -after the H/P split, P followed the E.Afr.coast, H followed the S.Asian coast (Pliocene) ->H.erectus Java, Flores, Luzon,
> > -Pliocene H remained in the Red Sea, and only during the Pleistocene followed different Old World sea-coasts,
> > -Pliocene H (Red Sea? Danakil?? or S.Asian coasts?) became strongly adapted to shallow-diving ("aquatic ape"),
> > -or only early-Pleistocene evolved from aquarboreal to shallow-diving (connection with sea-levels? or Tp?).

> > > Mio-Pliocene great apes were aquarboreal in coastal forests

> Does that include Danuvius of Bavaria, found in a former meandering rivulet? North of the Alps?

Do you ask every question twice?

> + rivers-bais-lakes around the Tethys Ocean, google "Aquarboreal Ancestors".
> > > About 15 Ma (Mesopotamian Seaway closure?) they split into pongids (E) & hominids (W).
> > > Miocene hominids were aquarboreal in coastal forests + bais-lakes-rivers around the Tethys-Sea=Med.Sea + Red Sea

> Does that include Danuvius of Bavaria, found in a former meandering rivulet? North of the Alps?

Sigh.

> > > Late-Miocene HPG lived in the Red Sea,

> Sleeping in giant clamshells?

Grow up, little boy.

> > > c 8 Ma they split into G & HP:
> > > Gorilla followed the Rift: Praeanthr.afarensis-aethiopicus-boisei..., google "gorilla bai"
> > > HP in the Red Sea or Gulf split c 5 Ma into H & P:
> > > --Pan, still aquarboreal, followed the E.Afr.coasts + mangroves-lakes-bais-rivers...: Australopith.africanus-naledi-robustus..., google "bonobo wading"
> > > --Homo (?initially remained in the Red Sea or Gulf? Pliocene?) became shallow-diving & followed the S-Asian coasts & other Old World coasts + rivers-lakes... google "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT"

> Fantastically confusing.

For little children, Yes.

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 om 02:11:49 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > Late-Miocene hominids did not live permanently *in* the Red Sea, of course, but around it.
>
> > Does that include 4 specimens of 11.6ma Danuvius of Bavaria north of the Alps?
> Danuvius means Donau.
Latin Danuvius from Celtic *danu(w)-yo-, from PIE *danu- , mein kleine tochter, nicht "Red Sea".
> > > There are overlapping possibilities, e.g.
> > > -after the H/P split, P followed the E.Afr.coast, H followed the S.Asian coast (Pliocene) ->H.erectus Java, Flores, Luzon,
> > > -Pliocene H remained in the Red Sea, and only during the Pleistocene followed different Old World sea-coasts,
> > > -Pliocene H (Red Sea? Danakil?? or S.Asian coasts?) became strongly adapted to shallow-diving ("aquatic ape"),
> > > -or only early-Pleistocene evolved from aquarboreal to shallow-diving (connection with sea-levels? or Tp?).
>
> > > > Mio-Pliocene great apes were aquarboreal in coastal forests
>
> > Does that include Danuvius of Bavaria, found in a former meandering rivulet? North of the Alps?
> Do you ask every question twice?
Bavaria is "in the red sea"?

> > + rivers-bais-lakes around the Tethys Ocean, google "Aquarboreal Ancestors".
> > > > About 15 Ma (Mesopotamian Seaway closure?) they split into pongids (E) & hominids (W).
> > > > Miocene hominids were aquarboreal in coastal forests + bais-lakes-rivers around the Tethys-Sea=Med.Sea + Red Sea
>
> > Does that include Danuvius of Bavaria, found in a former meandering rivulet? North of the Alps?
> Sigh.
> > > > Late-Miocene HPG lived in the Red Sea,
>
> > Sleeping in giant clamshells?
> Grow up, little boy.
"Hominoid Evolution in a (coconut??) Nutshell"
> > > > c 8 Ma they split into G & HP:
> > > > Gorilla followed the Rift: Praeanthr.afarensis-aethiopicus-boisei..., google "gorilla bai"
> > > > HP in the Red Sea or Gulf split c 5 Ma into H & P:
> > > > --Pan, still aquarboreal, followed the E.Afr.coasts + mangroves-lakes-bais-rivers...: Australopith.africanus-naledi-robustus..., google "bonobo wading"
> > > > --Homo (?initially remained in the Red Sea or Gulf? Pliocene?) became shallow-diving & followed the S-Asian coasts & other Old World coasts + rivers-lakes... google "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT"
>
> > Fantastically confusing.
> For little children, Yes.
Jah, meine kleine tochter.

Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 om 11:13:57 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:51:20 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 om 02:11:49 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > > Late-Miocene hominids did not live permanently *in* the Red Sea, of course, but around it.
> >
> > > Does that include 4 specimens of 11.6ma Danuvius of Bavaria north of the Alps?
> > Danuvius means Donau.
> Latin Danuvius from Celtic *danu(w)-yo-, from PIE *danu- , mein kleine tochter, nicht "Red Sea".

Are you really that stupid, DD?
Sigh.
Again: very simple:
great apes along Tethys Ocean
Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 M
-pongids E
-hominids W
Okidoki??

> > > > > Late-Miocene hominids did not live permanently *in* the Red Sea, of course, but around it.

> > > > Does that include 4 specimens of 11.6ma Danuvius of Bavaria north of the Alps?

> > > Danuvius means Donau.

> > Latin Danuvius from Celtic *danu(w)-yo-, from PIE *danu- , mein kleine tochter, nicht "Red Sea".

> Are you really that stupid, DD?
> Sigh.
> Again: very simple:
> great apes along Tethys Ocean
> Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 M
> -pongids E
> -hominids W
> Okidoki??

The Tethys Ocean divided Eurasia & Africa-Arabia.
Tethys Sea = Medit.Sea.

Google: The Red Sea was formed by the Arabian peninsula being split from the Horn of Africa by movement of the Red Sea Rift. This split started in the Eocene and accelerated during the Oligocene. The sea is still widening (in 2005, following a three-week period of tectonic activity it had grown by 8m),[32] and it is considered that it will become an ocean in time (as proposed in the model of John Tuzo Wilson). In 1949, a deep water survey reported anomalously hot brines in the central portion of the Red Sea. Later work in the 1960s confirmed the presence of hot, 60 °C (140 °F), saline brines and associated metalliferous muds. The hot solutions were emanating from an active subseafloor rift. Lake Asal in Djibouti is eligible as an experimental site to study the evolution of the deep hot brines of the Red Sea.[33] Indeed, by observing the strontium isotope composition of the Red Sea brines, it is easy to deduce how these salt waters found at the bottom of the Red Sea could have evolved in a similar way to Lake Asal, which ideally represents their compositional extreme.[33] The high salinity of the waters was not hospitable to living organisms.[34]
Sometime during the Tertiary period, the Bab el Mandeb closed and the Red Sea evaporated to an empty hot dry salt-floored sink.

cf Francesca Mansfield's Red Sea hypothesis: in (very) short:
The drying Red Sea forced Pliocene Homo to dive for shellfish.

Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 om 11:13:57 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> Bavaria is "in the red sea"?

It's difficult to understand how stupid you are:
are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:47:40 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 om 11:13:57 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?
> It's difficult to understand how stupid you are:
> are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???

Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
Speculation: Red Sea ...?

> > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?

> > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???

> Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
> Speculation: Red Sea ...?

Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 12:49:54 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?
> > > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???
>
> > Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
> > Speculation: Red Sea ...?
> Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
> The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
> Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.
Bavarian Danuvius proves HPG lived in the Red Sea?

Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 om 00:46:34 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?

> > > > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???

> > > Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.

> > > Speculation: Red Sea ...?

> > Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
> > The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
> > Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.> Bavarian Danuvius proves HPG lived in the Red Sea?

Grow up, little boy, and think a *little*bit.
Early hominoids lived along the Tethys Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
After the split c 15 Ma (Mesop.Seaway closure?):
-Mio-Pliocene pongids lived along the Ind.Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
-Mio-Pliocene hominids lived along the Med.Sea + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...

Waste your own time.

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 6:03:22 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 om 00:46:34 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > > > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?
>
> > > > > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???
>
> > > > Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
>
> > > > Speculation: Red Sea ...?
>
> > > Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
> > > The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
> > > Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.> Bavarian Danuvius proves HPG lived in the Red Sea?
> Grow up, little boy, and think a *little*bit.
> Early hominoids lived along the Tethys Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> After the split c 15 Ma (Mesop.Seaway closure?):
> -Mio-Pliocene pongids lived along the Ind.Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> -Mio-Pliocene hominids lived along the Med.Sea + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
>
> Waste your own time.

Mangroves in Bavaria??

Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 om 12:21:55 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

My little little boy, you're becoming more+more childish:
don't you know the word "or"??

> > > > > > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?
> >
> > > > > > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???
> >
> > > > > Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
> >
> > > > > Speculation: Red Sea ...?
> >
> > > > Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
> > > > The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
> > > > Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.> Bavarian Danuvius proves HPG lived in the Red Sea?
> > Grow up, little boy, and think a *little*bit.
> > Early hominoids lived along the Tethys Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > After the split c 15 Ma (Mesop.Seaway closure?):
> > -Mio-Pliocene pongids lived along the Ind.Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > -Mio-Pliocene hominids lived along the Med.Sea + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> >
> > Waste your own time.
> Mangroves in Bavaria??

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:15:07 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 om 12:21:55 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>
> My little little boy, you're becoming more+more childish:
> don't you know the word "or"??

Please cite where you wrote "or". We don't see it. We only see The island of Bavaria in the Red Sea.

> > > > > > > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?
> > >
> > > > > > > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???
> > >
> > > > > > Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
> > >
> > > > > > Speculation: Red Sea ...?
> > >
> > > > > Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
> > > > > The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
> > > > > Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.> Bavarian Danuvius proves HPG lived in the Red Sea?
> > > Grow up, little boy, and think a *little*bit.
> > > Early hominoids lived along the Tethys Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > > After the split c 15 Ma (Mesop.Seaway closure?):
> > > -Mio-Pliocene pongids lived along the Ind.Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > > -Mio-Pliocene hominids lived along the Med.Sea + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > >
> > > Waste your own time.
> > Mangroves in Bavaria??

Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 om 07:58:36 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

You're really ridiculous, DD.
Again: early-Miocene hominoids followed the Tethys Ocean shores,
they went inland "everywhere" along marshes-mangroves-lakes-rivers-bais etc.
Okidoki?

> > My little little boy, you're becoming more+more childish:
> > don't you know the word "or"??
> Please cite where you wrote "or". We don't see it. We only see The island of Bavaria in the Red Sea.
> > > > > > > > > Bavaria is "in the red sea"?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > are you really so stupid, DD, that you believe that because there were hominids along the Donau, there could not have been hominids in the Red Sea???
> > > >
> > > > > > > Physical evidence: 4 skeletal fossils in Bavaria of Danuvius at shallow meandering rivulet precisely dated.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Speculation: Red Sea ...?
> > > >
> > > > > > Sigh. Do you never read what I wrote?
> > > > > > The biology is clear: orangs live in SE.Asia, chimps-gorillas in Africa, H.erectus Flores...
> > > > > > Fossil evidence is rare & fragmentary, yet fossil hominids have been found from the Donau to the Aegean Sea to Med.islands to the Rift & S.Africa.> Bavarian Danuvius proves HPG lived in the Red Sea?
> > > > Grow up, little boy, and think a *little*bit.
> > > > Early hominoids lived along the Tethys Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > > > After the split c 15 Ma (Mesop.Seaway closure?):
> > > > -Mio-Pliocene pongids lived along the Ind.Ocean + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > > > -Mio-Pliocene hominids lived along the Med.Sea + mangroves-bais-rivers-lakes...
> > > >
> > > > Waste your own time.
> > > Mangroves in Bavaria??